Truckpusher:

Our ancient people had a very good relationship between themselves until the British showed up.

They knew their differences and they respected it and they were never interested in dominating each other.

Yea.
Thats another aspect of the divide & rule tactics adopted by the Colonialists at the time.

Truckpusher:
The ogba people of Rivers State - The language is called Egi

Wow, nice. This now becomes the 3rd ethnic group in Rivers state that i'v heard of (cos i'v never been to Rivers state so far). Thanks for sharing boss.

cheruv:

I never said that was an Igbo word..mgbati like you and a former poster said it meant when. there's nothing like that in Igbo lingo.
the only thing I said was what I was told, that it meant wrestling talk/shout i.e mgba+ti which means its a union of two desperate meanings.

What can be more desperate than the need to slander others for gain and muse among wise people? It's a virtue to be wise, may wisdom set the desperate free.

Truckpusher:
Igbo - Isoma

Hausa/Fulani - Nde Abakpa

Yoruba - Odudu nwa

Isoma is the name Igbos call people from owerri zone excluding the mbaise nation. some even use it in reference to the ikwerres,ogbas and etches

2prexios:
What can be more desperate than the need to slander others for gain and muse among wise people? It's a virtue to be wise, may wisdom set the desperate free.

and seriously brother I've seen how wise you're ..bia lekwa maagwa gi site n'inyo gi naede a hulam na ijizighi okwu!

cheruv:

and seriously brother I've seen how wise you're ..bia lekwa maagwa gi site n'inyo gi naede a hulam na ijizighi okwu!

I appreciate, thanks and you are wise too. My Yoruba at your post i quoted earlier, 'ejo laako kaato koja' means you must learn how to argue or explain issues in your favour before you learn to fight, lest you wont be able to wriggle out of trouble. Thats why Yoruba argues rather than fight, to make room for reconciliation.

cheruv:

the spambot autocorrected the ofe'mmanu stuff I wrote to Yoruba. the names the Yorubas have isn't derogatory but due to how they behave eg
1]ofe'mmanu :this simply means ofe(soup) and mmanu(oil/oily) and this simply means oily soup.this is bkos Yorubas consume a lot of oil when preparing their soups
2]mgbati :this simply means mgba(wrestle) and ti(shout) and this is bkos yolobas shout a lot when talking which gives the impression that they're soon going to fight.. which doesn't happen afterwards
3]akawoo :this simply means to mark or marks and this is due to the tribal marks yolobas are known to carry

that's how those names came about

Funny though

Most Yorubas would disagree with the mgbati tag. They also attach that stereotype to you.

cheruv:

Isoma is the name Igbos call people from owerri zone excluding the mbaise nation. some even use it in reference to the ikwerres,ogbas and etches

Who knows ,it could be true.

Truckpusher:
The ogba people of Rivers State - The language is called Egi

Our ancient people had a very good relationship between themselves until the British showed up.

They knew their differences and they respected it and they were never interested in dominating each other.

Nnaa, the ancient Ogba kingdom lived in perpetual fear of the Abohs who were hell bent on conquering them, ask your elders, the Abohs were a constant pain in the ass to all around them.

The pre colonial history wasn't that rosy o!

Btw, thought you told me that you are not from Ogba, nawa for you o!

pazienza:


Nnaa, the ancient Ogba kingdom lived in perpetual fear of the Abohs who were hell bent on conquering them, ask your elders, the Abohs were a constant pain in the ass to all around them.

The pre colonial history wasn't that rosy o!

Btw, thought you told me that you are not from Ogba, nawa for you o!

You're getting it twisted though partially true to a large extent.


Your question was on a wrong thread ,wrong timing and of course considering our history I'm a bit skeptical about what you represent though there is room for a change.

Truckpusher:
You're getting it twisted though partially true to a large extent.


Your question was on a wrong thread ,wrong timing and of course considering our history I'm a bit skeptical about what you represent though there is room for a change.

A leopard never change it's spots.

I represent unity peace and love for all who say "Bia" for come, and "Eze" for king, aka, the Igbo speaking people.

You and hopeathand are so difficult, and you both often misunderstand me.

pazienza:


A leopard never change it's spots.

I represent unity peace and love for all who say "Bia" for God, and "Eze" for king, aka, the Igbo speaking people.

You and hopeathand are so difficult, and you both often misunderstand me.

I'm not a difficult person but I have this dislike for ethnic supremacists especially even to other ethnic minority that shares a lot with them.

Mbiri ka mbiri is where I stand.

Who's hopeathand?

Hey! we are one but we need to first disabuse our minds of our ugly and shameful history/past that were mostly told by a bitter set of people from both side of the divide, but when youths like you and some other folks subscribes to such concocted lies and propaganda then one would certainly need to do some soul searching before embarking on a journey of searching for a long lost relative who might be more of a threat than provide the companion and friendship you yearn for.Never the less we are just one people with one destiny.

I still dey the game

Truckpusher:
I'm not a difficult person but I have this dislike for ethnic supremacists especially even to other ethnic minority that shares a lot with them.

Mbiri ka mbiri is where I stand.

Who's hopeathand?

Hey! we are one but we need to first disabuse our minds of our ugly and shameful history/past that were mostly told by a bitter set of people from both side of the divide, but when youths like you and some other folks subscribes to such concocted lies and propaganda then one would certainly need to do some soul searching before embarking on a journey of searching for a long lost relative who might be more of a threat than provide the companion and friendship you yearn for.Never the less we are just one people with one destiny.

I still dey the game

Very impressive post.

Truckpusher:
I'm not a difficult person but I have this dislike for ethnic supremacists especially even to other ethnic minority that shares a lot with them.

Mbiri ka mbiri is where I stand.

Who's hopeathand?

Hey! we are one but we need to first disabuse our minds of our ugly and shameful history/past that were mostly told by a bitter set of people from both side of the divide, but when youths like you and some other folks subscribes to such concocted lies and propaganda then one would certainly need to do some soul searching before embarking on a journey of searching for a long lost relative who might be more of a threat than provide the companion and friendship you yearn for.Never the less we are just one people with one destiny.

I still dey the game

No one in SE holds any grudge over any Igbo speaking group outside the SE. Nzeogwu the originator of the "Igbo coup", is not from the SE yet you don't see any body in the SE deny him or his Anioma people, instead we insist they are Ndiigbo when we could easily deny them.


Yes, we are one people, regardless of how we want to see each other.

I found it interesting that the eldest man in an Ogba town royal family goes by the surname "Igbokwe", it shows that not all in Ogba has given up hope on Igbo unity.


Hopeathand is an Ikwerre brother.

http://www.thetidenewsonline.com/2014/07/25/egwu-ogba-kicks-off-with-cultural-festivities/

pazienza:



No one in SE holds any grudge over any Igbo speaking group outside the SE. Nzeogwu the originator of the "Igbo coup", is not from the SE yet you don't see any body in the SE deny him or his Anioma people, instead we insist they are Ndiigbo when we could easily deny them.


Yes, we are one people, regardless of how we want to see each other.

I found it interesting that the eldest man in an Ogba town goes by the surname "Igbokwe", it shows that not all in Ogba has given up hope on Igbo unity.


Hopeathand is an Ikwerres brother.

You're beginning to lie now and it makes it more difficult.Whatever ,lessons have been learnt what is now needed is mutual respect and transparency for everyone to understand that we can't move forward by continuously being a divided people.

Igbokwe,yes we have all that name and I proudly bear one.

We shall overcome when we begin to think beyond self gratification and tribal superiority instead see ourselves as a people kept down against their wish and must achieve self determination

Truckpusher:
You're beginning to lie now and it makes it more difficult.Whatever ,lessons have been learnt what is now needed is mutual respect and transparency for everyone to understand that we can't move forward by continuously being a divided people.

Igbokwe,yes we have all that name and I proudly bear one.

We shall overcome when we begin to think beyond self gratification and tribal superiority instead see ourselves as a people kept down against their wish and must achieve self determination

Would have liked to make somethings clear, but I don't want to derail this thread any further. Happy boxing day bro.

Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

pazienza:




Would have liked to make somethings clear, but I don't want to derail this thread any further. Happy boxing day bro.

Yeah.
Happy boxing day - We should just keep it for another day.

Enjoy

HopeAtHand:
Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

Don't you think it's high time we go beyond these back and forth arguments to enable generations forge a united front?

HopeAtHand:
Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

Owerri people call non natives isoma including ikwerre

Alhambra call

HopeAtHand:
Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

Haha! Nice attempt at ruffling my feathers. Happy Boxing day bro.


Ikwerres called their Owerri brothers Isoma, my Idemili ancestors never knew of the existence of Ikwerres anymore than they knew of the Ehugbos(Afikpo people).

HopeAtHand:
Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

there's nothing sensible about what you wrote.. just like saying that Chinese borrowed heavily from Korean or Japanese,when we know the reverse is the case.

Truckpusher:
You're getting it twisted though partially true to a large extent.


Your question was on a wrong thread ,wrong timing and of course considering our history I'm a bit skeptical about what you represent though there is room for a change.

HopeAtHand:
Pazienza so u had to invite me down to this thread as if u are unaware that the Ikwerres call the Igbos ISOMA.

Ikwerre words are somehow annoying close to Igbo words.

Because the Igbos travel alot to far lands to mix with people, im postulating that all shared words between us were words Igbos borrowed from Ikwerres.

Makes perfect sense.

christopher123:


Owerri people call non natives isoma including ikwerre

Alhambra call

pazienza:

Haha! Nice attempt at ruffling my feathers. Happy Boxing day bro.
Ikwerres called their Owerri brothers Isoma, my Idemili ancestors never knew of the existence of Ikwerres anymore than they knew of the Ehugbos(Afikpo people).

Guys, its really common to find the natives of different tribes (esp. those that share territorial boundary with one another) using/speaking certain similar words as a part of their respective local languages.

That was why i stated (earlier on this thread) the following:

limamintruth:



Most of our indigenous languages are kinda inter-woven. So its very common to hear two or more dialects with so many similar words in their local languages.

So no need arguing about this issue further so that we wont derail the thread pls.

Will expect more insightful contributions from fellow nairalanders.

Truckpusher:
Don't you think it's high time we go beyond these back and forth arguments to enable generations forge a united front?

Don't you people think you are messing up a thread that's suppose to be fun and informative? No one is interested in your tribal rivalries. The thread was fun until you came with your mu.mu tribal arguments. Let go of your feminine emotions and stick with the subject under consideration.

WORLDPEACE:

Don't you people think you are messing up a thread that's suppose to be fun and informative? No one is interested in your tribal rivalries. The thread was fun until you came with your mu.mu tribal arguments. Let go of your feminine emotions and stick with the subject under consideration.

Yorubas call

Urhobo- Isobo
Nupe- Tapa
Ijaws - Ijon ( my particular Yoruba dialect not all)

Truckpusher:
Yeah.
Happy boxing day - We should just keep it for another day.

Enjoy

Good moves, onto the Odudu nwa stuff, is it a freestyle thing of yours or a term that has always been in the language? For instance, the Igbos will say 'odudunwa bu eze' and that's natural in their language. What circumstance created Odudu nwa as Yoruba identity with your beautiful people?

2prexios:
Good moves, onto the Odudu nwa stuff, is it a freestyle thing of yours or a term that has always been in the language? For instance, the Igbos will say 'odudunwa bu eze' and that's natural in their language. What circumstance created Odudu nwa as Yoruba identity with your beautiful people?

I think they got it from other neighboring tribes and ethnic group and then related it to their own language.

Truckpusher:
I think they got it from other neighboring tribes and ethnic group and then related it to their own language.

Is the term commonly used by the youth or the oldest generation? I'm only trying to peruse the usage, maybe it sprang from self determination spirit that spread across southern Nigeria at the wake of the civil war, or from political dynamics of pre-independence, where Awo created egbe omo oduduwa b4 60s. I believe you can handle this, thanks.

2prexios:
Is the term commonly used by the youth or the oldest generation? I'm only trying to peruse the usage, maybe it sprang from self determination spirit that spread across southern Nigeria at the wake of the civil war, or from political dynamics of pre-independence, where Awo created egbe omo oduduwa b4 60s. I believe you can handle this, thanks.

It came from the oldest generation.

Truckpusher:
It came from the oldest generation.

Thanks, just want to be sure its not modern area code. To some on this platform, oduduwa was an allusion and not real, because they were clueless as to the name. But if Yoruba were known as that, it means that in prehistoric time some in Yoruba neighbourhood reckon with the historicity of an ancient empire builder. Yoruba favours city~state names as their identity, common name decayed a long while ago, perhaps after inception.

2prexios:
Thanks, just want to be sure its not modern area code. To some on this platform, oduduwa was an allusion and not real, because they were clueless as to the name. But if Yoruba were known as that, it means that in prehistoric time some in Yoruba neighbourhood reckon with the historicity of an ancient empire builder. Yoruba favours city~state names as their identity, common name decayed a long while ago, perhaps after inception.

'Yoruba' as a common name for the people who have linguistic cultural and historical affinity is a recent development. In my own opinion based on research, it is a 19th century invention. The first group who were referred to as Yorubas were the Oyo by the Hausas. The Oyo people who inhabited an area geographically closer to them than other Yoruba groups who lived in the forest regions. Other groups identified themselves with the names by which their Yoruba neighbours knew them. There were the Ijebus, Ekiti, Egba, Ijesha and so on. This groups mostly believed in a common origin of migrating from Ife. Although there were groups who believd they originated from Benin. But the name has not always applied to all the groups that now now bear that name.

My point is that it is often outsiders that see the similarities among different groups and give them or solidify their common identity. The Anglo Saxons were given that name by a visiting Bishop who thought they behaved like angels. Ethiopeans were named such by the Greeks, Ethiopia meaning 'region of the burnt faces' because of their darker skin complexion to the greeks. The ancient kingdom of Ghana was named Ghana by the Arab writers who applied the title of the kingdom's ruler to the entire people. Everywhere, if you make your research, this is often the case. Just like the Op did not name himself.

WORLDPEACE:
Yorubas call

Urhobo- Isobo
Nupe- Tapa
Ijaws - Ijon ( my particular Yoruba dialect not all)

Interesting.

So there exist disparity in language even within the yoruba ethnic group right? Same with the hausa lang. too.

Which specific yoruba dialect do you speak @worldpeace?