Fadelex:
I think most of these moderators are smoking weed. who is that stupi.d and retarde.d moderator that hid my comment. yes, I booked space, how is that your father's business? what is the essence of modifying ur post. most of u need to be educated. seun should call his dogs to order.

so far I'm going to modifying my post, you have no right whatsoever to hide my post.

choi...i rili feel bad for ds country...so people like u still deywhy wont moderator hide ur post??u rili lack manner of speech...u r a goat...u no dog is still bera...dont wowi,i m thinking of establishing a university of speech.....ur speech rili sucks...d way u talk is nt d best way to express urself.....choi

McLove:
actually, am not used to e~fights but what you typed now shows Obadiah77 is insane

stop lying, am not insane

--bsc....level 17.
Hnd....level 14.
These are d highest attainable in govt agencies/ ministries.
--a level 8 bsc officer is superior to level 14 hnd by hierarchy if bsc is a professional.
.
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gov amosun of ogun state is an hnd holder.
hnd or nt, d sky is d kick off.

tosyne2much:
Fine !!! I'm an aspiring HND holder and I've got a thousand ways to make money (Entrepreneurship rocks my boat).. Make una sit down dia dey carry Bsc for head while I keep driving my jeep

Jamb entry level or not, discrimination or not, Bsc superiority or not, it will neva change the fact you can never be successful than your destiny

I think we should be more concerned about how to meet the needs of ourselves, our parents and those looking up to us rather than ruling the juxtaposition between Bsc/HND

I for say... If to say u b B.Sc holder, u for no carry dis matter up like dis!!!

Having been a product of both the Polytechnic and University systems, I would say the HND does not compare to the Bsc.
Gone are the days when we would be debating that Poly students are better than Uni students. We are in the real world now and the facts are clear that there is no debate on which is superior qualififcation.

In America, HND is the equivalent of a High School Certificate. You would need a PGD before even thinking of an MSc.

The self esteem is affected as you will have to work twice as hard to earn what BSc holders are getting easily.

At the end of the day it all boils down to what an individual wants in life.

danaiks:
The kind of training HND holders go through...u can't compare, they are well seasoned, Industrial Training every now and then. Besides practice makes perfect!!

HND all the way jhorrr!!

hahahahaah i laff in spanish

weda u are perfect or nt if u don't push in for higher degree then a Bsc holder that u are more perfect(as u claim) will earn bigger than u..infact will b ur supervisor

#the truth is bitter#

The op is so on point

PAnaceA7:

You don't have to flair up over what Op said, it's d bitter truth..Most Hnd holders still go ahead to d University cus they know it's importance. Now look closer and point out which one out of the eight is false rather than taking it personal.

. my dear the no 2 reason is false. Am yet to see a polytechnic that accepts minimum of 4 credits
op , sorry to say you are a damn hypocrite. you said you are against the discrimination between HND and Bsc, why create such a discriminating thread.

Anyway, its nothing new.
Nigeria and hypocrisy since 1914.

PStacks:
Forgive me anyway..
I'm a university product tho! But not withstanding, I think HND is more of Practical and Hands-on while BSc is just mere theory.
If u ask me. I prefer a practical student to a theoretical student.
How can u explain a Graduate Mechanical Engineer from a university not being able to open his car bonnet to atleast take a look at what went wrong with his car stoping in the middle of the road, instead he chose to look for a nearby roadside mechanic to fix mere alternator that happened not to be charging his car battery, boasting to the mere mechanic how he studied mechanical engineering from Unilag..
If u ask me, who is more of a mech engineer? Its the road side mechanic ooo rather than the B.Eng graduate who knows nothing practical about how a simple internal combustion engine operates..
HND is more practical work and BSc is just theory and story.
Its so unfortunate that things that makes waves abroad are things we take for granted in nigeria..
In london, Barbers make hell of money, taxi drivers make hell of money, Baby-sitters make hell of money
But in nigeria, if u are a barber, u are on ur own, if u drive a taxi, u are finished, if u wash plates in a restaurant u are finished in naija,
But u have people leave naija and go abroad to do all this manial jobs and come back with plenty money and form boss here.
That tells us of mis-placed piorities in the system.
Until HND is promoted over BSc, until god given skills and talents are appreciated in naija then our society would be in reverse mode.

Managers do not do practical work, they think strategically for the organisation. Comparing a Bsc to Hnd is like comparing night and day. With due respect to those who have Hnd, go and check the purpose of establishing polytechnics will see that the main aim is to provide middle level manpower while university is to provide high quality research work and senior level managers. Even at federal level with Hnd you can not go beyond level 14. Also how many people leave the shore of Nigeria and go to any poly abroad? Except the main aim is changed, the disparity will continue.

This is one of the ill-attributes of developing countries. I graduated from ABU Zaria and i don't see myself better than a HND certificate holder. Who cares about the shit u call certificate? The end justifies the means!

This thread is crappy
OP i want small of wat u are smoking
Its just like saying a student of any petroleum related course in UNILAG is better than a student in PTI.....#unknownweedsmokeralert

samkolo:
am in 400 level-unilag...an assignment that was given us in 300 level was said to be given to yabatech students as project.

Maybe or maybe not

samkolo:
am in 400 level-unilag...an assignment that was given us in 300 level was said to be given to yabatech students as project.

Indeed.
Thank goodness you mentioned 'was said'

Obadiah77:


stop lying, am not insane

LWKMD, You are not insane but you are mentally derailed

tosyne2much:
Fine !!! I'm an aspiring HND holder and I've got a thousand ways to make money (Entrepreneurship rocks my boat).. Make una sit down dia dey carry Bsc for head while I keep driving my jeep

Jamb entry level or not, discrimination or not, Bsc superiority or not, it will neva change the fact you can never be successful than your destiny

I think we should be more concerned about how to meet the needs of ourselves, our parents and those looking up to us rather than ruling the juxtaposition between Bsc/HND

bros i gree with wetin you write oh ... for me, am not worried... am currently waiting for my clients to call me up to deliver their projects so that they can drop pay... they did not consider whether am a BSC OR HND but can i deliver... so for those that are worried, pls find a problem, solve it and get paid and stop arguing with BSC VS HND!

tjones007:
Hmmm...
Bsc or Hnd do not guarantEe success.
In nigeria here is another case.

But am seriously tired of this baseless argument that "university student" are more smart than there couterpart "polytechnic students"

Have we forgotten how most student got admitted to the university leaving some brilliant minds wandering what went wrong about their admission. The admission process not transparent anymore.

So the truth is the same way there are genius and dullard in university the same way there are in the polytechnic. Mode of entrance does not determine anymore. Not in this nigeria.

I hope the yeye OP reads this..

Franchise21:
I for say... If to say u b B.Sc holder, u for no carry dis matter up like dis!!!

So what are you insinuating ?

Now that the price of oil has fallen sharply. let see weda any of Govt agency will employ a useless Bsc holders who merely went to university thinkin their degree certificate will get them huge salary. Holla to my HND collegues,

Are you insinuating the closure of polytechnics throughout the federation?

@OP na gosip u just want gosip. Bsc or no Bsc. With my Hnd. Students from uni still come to learn from me. And am proudly building my first house at the age of 24. Dey there dey carry bsc fey waka up and down. No mata how high ur Bsc is. U can never be more successful than ur destiny.

Fadelex:
here we go again...... most HND holders are just not privileged like Bsc holders. that's the only difference I see. I have HND and I'm presently doing my postgraduate diploma with some Bsc 3rd students (3rd class or those changing fields) and I can boldly say it's just lack of opportunity, I am better off most of them. I did my professional exam and I came first I d midst of many Bsc holder. it's so depressing when you see people you're better off being placed above you just because of the title of their certificate. if polytechnics and university students are given same platform and materials I bet you'll not be able to differentiate. meanwhile I will rather go to polytechnic and do a course with a career prospect than go to university and get a degree in a field that has no career prospect

chai i feel ur pains!!

Poly students should protest

PStacks:
Forgive me anyway..

I'm a university product tho! But not withstanding, I think HND is more of Practical and Hands-on while BSc is just mere theory.

If u ask me. I prefer a practical student to a theoretical student.


How can u explain a Graduate Mechanical Engineer from a university not being able to open his car bonnet to atleast take a look at what went wrong with his car stoping in the middle of the road, instead he chose to look for a nearby roadside mechanic to fix mere alternator that happened not to be charging his car battery, boasting to the mere mechanic how he studied mechanical engineering from Unilag..

If u ask me, who is more of a mech engineer? Its the road side mechanic ooo rather than the B.Eng graduate who knows nothing practical about how a simple internal combustion engine operates..

HND is more practical work and BSc is just theory and story.

Its so unfortunate that things that makes waves abroad are things we take for granted in nigeria..

In london, Barbers make hell of money, taxi drivers make hell of money, Baby-sitters make hell of money

But in nigeria, if u are a barber, u are on ur own, if u drive a taxi, u are finished, if u wash plates in a restaurant u are finished in naija,

But u have people leave naija and go abroad to do all this manial jobs and come back with plenty money and form boss here.

That tells us of mis-placed piorities in the system.

Until HND is promoted over BSc, until god given skills and talents are appreciated in naija then our society would be in reverse mode.

Hilarious

Deapexboy:



chai i feel ur pains!!

Poly students should protest

Bros, you are wicked

captainjay:
Op. U r kind of person dat underate n neva appreciate pple choice. If u have Bsc is for ur fathers name not mine. U may have Bsc bt useless to society. I made a gud choice in life after uni-ilorin denied m for 3yrs wt 200-218 in jamb scores. I thank God i made a choice n studied civil engineering in poly of which i did 22 courses in final yr. Confirm from anyone in IOT Kwarapoly. I am thanking God i am working wt international construction company earning 160k monthly wen dose who have BSc still sitting at home. in 21st century i mean in nigeria you dont survive by where you studied you survive by what you know.

Tell'em

McLove:
LWKMD, You are not insane but you are mentally derailed

Another lie...you will die if you continue lying like dis. Jesus will roast you in hell for lying

richardjemedafe1:
Hello my fellow Nairalanders,
My name is Richard jemedafe from Plateau State
(Nigeria) I have a problem that is given me Sleepless
night.But I know that Nairaland is the best place to
get advice.
I wrote jamb this year and my jamb point was
179(which can't take me to University of my choice)
so I Applied for Pla poly (state polytechnic) To study
Business Administration and management. (I got
admission)
And I also got admission Into Federal COllege Of
Education Pankshin to study. English/SOS. (which I
also got Admission)

Nairalanders I need ur advice which should I go
to??College of Education And polytechnic which
is better,best and preferable??
Thenks

choose poly.

well your number one is wrong. if you do not possess 5credit you won't be admitted.

2 maybe some school but I will confidently tell you that I'm being lectured by people who are field workers and are lecturers who will give you real life experience.

3,4,5 maybe true due to undue favor.

the rector of my institution ( laspotech) is barrister and a doctor. in person of A.A Lawal.

OP,if you like have Bsc,Hnd,Msc and Phd Nigeria will NEVER more forward. This is not a curse or negative thinking. It the fact. Whenever my parents start talking about this SICK TALK,I tell them that certificate will not make me successful. My skills and intelligent ideas will make me successful. So I have SKILLS & INTELLIGENT IDEAS as a certificate.

DrFunmi:
Success in life should not be determined by our alma mater. I believe that everybody has a chance to be successful whether they went to a university or polytechnic. Our success is in our hands. This write-up is not meant to degrade HND holders. I am one of those that are strongly against the discrimination against HND holders. However, the reality on ground (due to the discrimination) is that BSc is still more superior to HND and I have given reasons below to state the obvious but bitter truth.

1 Entrance Qualification - The entrance qualification to the university is more stringent than that to the polytechnic. The UTME cut off for universities is higher than that of polytechnics. All universities require a minimum of 5 credits in WASSCE/NECO while most polytechnics accept 4 credits as minimum requirement. It is well accepted that the entrance qualification to any institution says a lot about the prestige attached to such institution.

2 Quality of Lecturers- You cannot compare the quality of lecturers in the university to that of the polytechnic. Most university lecturers are professors and PhD holders with decades of teaching and research experience to show for it. Some of them are universally renowned professors. The head of universities are always renowned and experienced academic professors. Most Master degree holders in universities are mere assistant lecturers. The same cannot be said of polytechnics where most of their 'experienced' lecturers are mere BSc holders. Most rectors of polytechnics are Msc holders, only a few have PhD. Even corps members lecture polytechnic students. Has it ever occurred to you why polytechnics find it hard to employ even their own products (HND holders) to lecture? Instead, they employ mostly university grads to teach.

3 Research Work- University is the bedrock of research work. Research work lays the foundation of advancement and any sane society will rate any higher institution by the quality of their research. Unfortunately, the quality of research work in Nigerian universities is poor but this is still far better than that of polytechnics that do absolutely nothing (or very negligible research work).

4 Funding- Universities are much more funded than polytechnics. One of the metrics for determining the quality of an institution is the level of funding. No wonder, the government and the media pay more attention to the demand of ASUU over ASUP. Thus, you will expect a product of a university to be better trained than that of a polytechnic.

5 Quality of students - The brightest, youngest and most motivated students go to the universities. Go to a polytechnic and what you will see a lot of dejected, not-so-young students who have written UTME many times but have not succeeded. A few in the polytechnics are young and bright, but they are few and far between. The majority of young and bright students, just fresh from secondary school are found within the 4 walls of the university. Thus, most university grads are of higher intellectual quality than their poly counterparts.

6 Size and Beauty of Campus - A lot can be said about the quality of an institution by the architectural structures of the institutions. Let's take the elite universities and polytechnics in Nigeria for instance. One cannot compare the architectural edifices in the prestigious OAU, UI, ABU, UNN, UNILAG, UNIBEN to that of Yabatech, Kadpoly, Auchi, Bida Poly or any polytechnic in Nigeria. No polytechnic in Nigeria can even compete with some 2nd and 3rd generation universities like FUT Minna, UniJos, FUTA, etc in terms of structures.

7 Preference / Demand - The preference for BSc is higher than for OND/HND. All or almost all aspiring students wish to go to the university. Employers generally prefer BSc holders over HND holders. HND holders are seen as middle level manpower (That was the intent when polytechnics were initially created). There are more opportunities for BSc holders not just within the country but outside Nigeria. Jobs and scholarship opportunities abound for BSc holders and undergraduates while it is almost non-existent for HND holders.

8 Self Esteem - Last but not the least, an average BSc holder is more confident than an average HND holder. This is however not the fault of HND holders who unfortunately have to face stiff discrimination in the labour market, thus negatively impacting on their self esteem.

let's first admit that this is the truth before arguing on whether it counts or not.

Ok I hear u OP.that's y some university graduates of statistics in Anambra state NYSC camp during November orientation course can't make use of SPSS or E-view to analyse data,the same reason where a FUTA graduate didn't know where start button is on a computer system keyboard.The same reason why Yemi tella a graduate of UNAAB(now FUNAAB)was looking for a recycle bin on CUG table phone(if at all u know the full meaning of CUG)to restore a deleted number.No be ur fault,it is the bad government we have.I trained 9 B.sc holders when working with my ND then in UAC on how to use Microsoft office,sage pastel,IDRS n odas.6 of them are slow learners and very dull.Dnt just sit down in a corner next time and put gibberish together.pack well..

All I can sat is misplaced priorities

Adaobi12:
. my dear the no 2 reason is false. Am yet to see a polytechnic that accepts minimum of 4 credits
op , sorry to say you are a damn hypocrite. you said you are against the discrimination between HND and Bsc, why create such a discriminating thread.

Anyway, its nothing new.
Nigeria and hypocrisy since 1914.

Sister, I'm not a hypocrite. I actually wish both HND and BSc holders well. I have siblings that are HND holders too. I just needed to state the very obvious fact cos there is no need for comparison.
Many polytechnics accept 4 credits. I can mention at least 3 as I write.