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Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 11:26am On Jan 13, 2015 |
I'm focusing on creationism as practised by abrahamic religions.....my basis are; -The Public Figures who make a profession of denial of doctrinal inconsistencies.. -The mandatory "statement of faith",an oat to pledge allegiance of being a creationist... -The money directed at the cause of creationism to promote its ideals to unsuspecting victims... e.g gotquestion and gotanswers website,appear to be a christian website but are actually creationist apologetic sites.. -The mandated belief of ancient stories as fact by the figure heads e.g ken ham pushing his "worldwide flood beliefs" -The formulation of apologetics to account for inconsistencies I.e change in the speed of light.... If you have any contributions or object to the op,you are free to respond... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 11:46am On Jan 21, 2015 |
The only difference between a "cult" and a "religion", like atheism, is numbers of followers. A cult following is for low numbers, and a religion for larger numbers. Creationism and atheism are religions, not cults. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 11:54am On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:So not believing in "god/gods" is a religion?.....so by your definition creationists have as many religions for the "god/gods" they don't believe in + the one they do believe in. This sounds a whole lot like a typical creationist equivocation fallacy. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 12:02pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: Well, I look at your posting style, and almost every sentence you write or idea "you" have is not your own. Your language, mode of expression, examples, mistakes, misinterpretations (and reaction to having them pointed out) etc. are practically identical to the vast majority of atheists. That is what makes it a religion. You are a follower, not a thinker. Ultimately, whatever you are following so assiduously is your god. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by vooks: 12:03pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
Is evolution a cult? What happens to those who don't subscribe to it? They are ridiculed, denied teaching jobs -How much money is expended on evolution? -How evolutionists spin garbage to explain away inconsistencies? Need examples? Distant star-light problem affects both worldviews. Go check how they work around it - How much or evolution is critiqued? Is it not taken and presented as 'fact' whereas it is not even a theory? In short, you are talking about evolution,remove the log in your eyes bro davien: 1 Like |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 12:08pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:And again by your logic since we follow alphabets(a-z) in english language,we are actually following the "god" of english language,lol You can equivocate the terms "god,religion,atheism,creationism" all you want, it's not going to magically make anything you assert as true... |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 12:17pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: No, that is not my logic. I don't attach any "truth value" to the alphabet. You could give me the French alphabet, or any writing system, and I could use that. I am not claiming that the English alphabet is "The Truth" or "the right one". I am using the alphabet as a tool, not following it as some sort of truth. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 12:23pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
vooks:I think something has to be a belief before it becomes a cult/religion Actually a great deal of "non-subscribers"(using your term) are teaching....in fact the texas board for education was at a time headed by a creationist(not sure who is currently) It depends on what you mean....it is funded scientific and academically(that I can tell you) well it's a bit immature to call people "evolutionists" don't you think,I do wonder why you term yourselves "creationists" though.. No theory is taken as facts because knowledge is never 100% complete...theories rather encompasses facts to form predictive statements about reality and perhaps past occurrences.. Yes I am talking about evolution,not proselytizing it, thank you for the clarification |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 12:27pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:So do atheists attach "truth value" to atheism? |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 12:33pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: Yes. Just go through the posts on this forum. All the swearing and ranting by atheists is over what they believe to be true or untrue. Most of them do not adopt a position of indifference. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 12:56pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:I understand that a majority of atheists here are "strong atheists",a truth value cannot be assigned to an agnostic(or lack of knowledge) position....if you still insist that a truth value can be assigned to a "lack of knowledge",then I urge you to fish one outside of theism/atheism e.g bigfoot or ojuju |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 1:12pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: You can be an atheist, or have an atheistic outlook, without being religious. You can be an atheist without following athe[b]ism[/b], or anything else. I have suggested that there are atheists who are indifferent, (or even 'strong atheists' who can account for themselves maturely and articulately in their own words), but these are few and far between. All I am saying is that their is a religion of athe[b]ism[/b]. And most atheists follow that religion. davien: I cannot decipher your point, if any, here. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 1:22pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:There is no such thing as an "atheist outlook",the minimum requirement to be an atheist is to not be convinced of the "god/gods" claims people make. There's not a "religion of atheism",you are merely equivocating terms... much like saying since 2 is a number,and 6 is also a number...therefore 2=6. Can a position that is about the lack of knowledge of a substance,make a truth value stance about said substance? |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 1:27pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: There is no point us discussing something you don't see. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 1:31pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:One of us is an atheist and the other a creationist who has to rationalize and filter reality to match mythology...so now tell me where you got the idea of an "atheist outlook" from,I am very interested to know... |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 1:52pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: Which mythology are you trying match? That in itself influences your outlook. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 1:59pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:This is really pathetic....is this how you creationists get when you're cornered?
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Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 2:08pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: I think that is a question you should ask yourself. The reason you cannot lay out your points specifically and directly is indeed pathetic. The reason you do it is because you lack confidence in your own opinions, and know that you cannot express them convincingly. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 2:14pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:You don't seem to understand anything here.. you awoke a dead topic just because you where ticked it addressed creationism differently..and now you're accusing me of not expressing my points convincingly,if that were true then you wouldn't need to comment in the first place now would you? 1 Like |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by sinequanon: 2:20pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
davien: Dude, the discussion ended when you said there is no such thing as an "atheist outlook". This is an irreconcilable difference of opinion. I enjoyed your childish and amateurish use of psychology to try to extend the discussion, but all good things have to come to an end. |
Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(m): 2:32pm On Jan 21, 2015 |
sinequanon:I made a correction that the minimum requirement required to be an atheist is to not be convinced "god/gods" exist....and thank you for the ad hominems,that only shows your inability to continue in a coherent discussion like this.... 1 Like |
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