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Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by MSB4gr8(m): 6:14pm On Jan 16, 2015
l have read many newspapers and also heard several news on radio and television but l have never heard of any Alfa or imam fore-telling the outcome of February's general elections unlike the pastors foretold the contradicting prophesies on the general elections.

was it a caution on the Alfa and imams not to be involved or simply another means to show that ISLAM is a truly a religious of PEACE ?


please no religious e-war intended....it was just an opinion!
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Change2015(m): 6:20pm On Jan 16, 2015
The Christian marketplace is more competitive, so unless you make some noise and brand yourself, you may never gain traction. Still there is something very shameful in all that.

#change
#GMB
#APC
#christiansforbuhari

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Nobody: 6:21pm On Jan 16, 2015
To each his own belief but we all share one belief in our heart that APC really need to'CHANGE' ..GEJ TILL buhari confess Jesus is lord cool

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by eleko1: 6:26pm On Jan 16, 2015
grin it is the gift of God.Acts 2:17/ Joel 2:28.Anything that doesn't have a God backup is a waste of time.No man need to shake his head to tell U what future have in stock for U.God wish for Us remain good
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by lorddannie: 6:28pm On Jan 16, 2015
If they prophesied 72 vir.gins. cheesy grin waiting to b.leep you in aljana, would you believe?
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by shadelek(m): 6:31pm On Jan 16, 2015
Cox you can only say what you see and our vision differs from each other. Alfas may not be shown anything and woe to them that delivers when no one sent them
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by A7(m): 6:35pm On Jan 16, 2015
Cc: Tbaba1234 maclatunji lanrexlan muhsin albaqir sissie vedaxcool betathings lagosshia .

Would love to see your input on this, it will be nice if you can spare some time and educate us all about "ilm al gayb" , to whom it is disclosed, do we still have such people, etc.

I think it will address the op and many others thinking about same thing.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Change2015(m): 6:43pm On Jan 16, 2015
The fact the we have so much prophecy in a corrupt and morally bankrupt nation needs examination. I simply don't believe 99.5% of such. Can we actually feel the impact of true Christianity in our communities? A people consumed by lust, avarice etc, unwilling to speak the truth or hear it, worshipping Pastors and not God. If Nigeria is the fruit (by their fruits ye shall know them), then the church has generally failed despite all the noise.

#change
#GMB
#APC

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Eragablessen(m): 6:43pm On Jan 16, 2015
Hmmm....
Lo authorities has been given to the christendom folks (true prophets)
by the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ saying; go into the world. Preach,
baptise, prophecy, heal, etc as the case may be. There could be no two ways about that.
I hope this topic does not erupt religious bigotry.
But some pastors and christian clerics have their visions...
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Nobody: 6:44pm On Jan 16, 2015
Very funny, is because they see nothing and more importantly they only worship dead and blood sucking monster called devil.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Skako(m): 6:57pm On Jan 16, 2015
Because they don't look for any body maney as pastor did bcs
any prophecy oppose jonathan,
they will be taken their share from N21b
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by AlBaqir(m): 3:41am On Jan 17, 2015
A7:
Cc: Tbaba1234 maclatunji lanrexlan muhsin albaqir sissie vedaxcool betathings lagosshia .

Would love to see your input on this, it will be nice if you can spare some time and educate us all about "ilm al gayb" , to whom it is disclosed, do we still have such people, etc.

I think it will address the op and many others thinking about same thing.



The meaning of "Ghaib" is that which has been concealed. It is the opposite of "Hadhir", which means "present to the sense". Although "Ilm bil ghaib - knowledge of Unseen" can also be divided into two class but I believe the one we meant in this context is "future knowledge".

In Islam, only God has knowledge to the future occurrences; in fact, He is the planner and the disposer of all affairs.

"With Him are the Keys of the Ghaib; non knows them but He.”
{Qur’an 6:59}

And no one knows anything of Allah’s
knowledge except if He will. Qur’an tells about the knowledge and the intercession:

"Who can intercede with Him except the cases He permits? He knows what is in front of them and what is behind them, and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He will.” {Qur’an 2:255}

This shows that the core/ keys of the Knowledge of Ghaib is with Allah, but
He may release "a news of Ghaib”to the one He wills.
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Who Are Those Gifted With "Unseen knowledge and for what purpose

1. Angels: according to Qur'an Angels have been assigned specific work to be carried and the knowledge of that is given to them.

Before God created man, He informed the angels to which they reply "How can you created being that will be causing bloodshed on the earth..." Allah replied them "I know what you know not". And they submitted.

Angels knows a lot about man before he was even created.

2. Shaitan/Satan: According to the Quran, Iblis was a Jinn and was counted among the Angels above^. When Iblis fell from grace to grass after his disobedience to the Lord, he became Satan and he requested to be given respite till the end of days. And he vowed to mislead man except the devoted servant of God.

This incumbent knowledge of the unseen about man and his environ, Satan uses it for his own plan - to mislead man from the straight path. But this knowledge is not comprehensive. Shaitan mix lies with it.

Satan, who happened to be the father of the Jinns (just like Adam was man's father), gave this knowledge to his soldiers for the same purpose of misleading.

Since some men cannot approach the Angels, and Shaitan/Satan is easily accessible, many sought the knowledge of the unseen from Shaitan and his companions, the evil Jinns

3. Prophet/Messenger of God: These are selected servants of God assigned to guide man to the straight path away from Shaitan. God usually endowed them with both apparent and Unseen knowledge depending on where they need to apply it. Alas! These knowledge doesn't just come at a platter of gold. They are devoted in worship of God and keeping His commandments. And these servant doesn't use this knowledge anyhow.
Please not definition of Prophet/Messenger of God differs as per the believe of Muslim and Christian.

Generally, Man also has the capacity to be endowed with Unseen knowledge depending on how he get closer to His Lord and be among those loved and willed by God.

Here, man needs extra works to refine and purify his self. The basic rules in Islam is abstain from donts set by Allah, and imbibe the dos set by Him. Imagine, the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) was reported to have said "Lower your gaze from illicit/indecent/evil looks and you will see wonders".

What about if you train your Nafs (soul) and nourish it with remembrance of God to the fact that it dwells in Allah? It will "see and comprehend" the dimension and the truth of creation. In one of his golden word, Jalaludeen Rumi said "do not say you are alone, for the whole universe is in you".

Islam calls this 'taskiyat Nafs - purification of soul. It is the most difficult Jihad (struggle) in Islam for man has attached too much to the material world that has hinder him from reaching the unseen world.

There are lots of ways to achieve this, e.g
* Food needs to be controlled (fasting) - it makes body light and spirit awaken. Reverse is the case, heavy body and weaken spirit. Imagine Nabi Isa (Jesus)(as) who fasted for 40 days and 40 nights; he lived the life of Zuhd (asceticism). So, I am amazed about these so-called "followers of Christ" who lived the life of luxury deceiving themselves they are living by the grace etc. It is really laughable for "Pastors" to be predicting football matches, who will become next president, what will haPpen in the new year etc.

* The code to Ihsan (perfection) whereby you see beyond the material is even more difficult in the real sense. Although, seeing the unseen is never the objective of an 'Abd (servant). Majority run away from these rigorous exercise. They go through the fasted route - Shaitan/Jinn. And they become companion of Shaitan while they keep on deceiving people with predictions of future occurrences.

So, fake Alfas too look into the future and predict what will happen but its not that common among the muslims compare to christianity. There is a serious warning known to every Muslims by the prophet of Islam concerning pursuing "knowledge of the unseen", thereby its not common. Even, should you know it, you keep quiet and let God's work manifest. There are rare cases however, whereby revealing such will prevent evil or guide to the right path.

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Empiree: 3:49am On Jan 17, 2015
Handsome commentary up there^ bro
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by menesheh(m): 3:58am On Jan 17, 2015
They don't have spiritual power despite am agnostic of all these mess of religion.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by A7(m): 11:06pm On Jan 17, 2015
Jazakallah albaqir.

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by gen2briz(m): 11:48pm On Jan 17, 2015
Can't say for now
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Fash20: 11:57pm On Jan 17, 2015
Allah knoweth all things.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by BashirAhmad1(m): 12:40am On Jan 18, 2015
Masha Allah, Jazakallah khair ya Albaqir

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Nobody: 12:40am On Jan 18, 2015
Well, the answer to the Op question is simple, fortelling the unseen aka future prediction, are regarded as occult arts, and are strongly forbidden in Islam. It is a practice that is very well despised in Islam. Despite this, their are few imams or Alfas who are involve in such practices for individuals for money, but they do it with utmost secrecy, hence they dont seek publicity. People who claim to reveal the unseen and predict the future, can be divided into two main categories:

1) Those who have no real knowledge or secrets but depend on telling their customers about general incidences which happen to most people. They often go through a series of meaningless rituals, then make calculatedly general guesses. Some of their guesses, due to their generality, usually come true. Most people tend to remember the few predictions that come true and quickly forget the many which do not.

2) The second group are those who have made contact with the supernatural creatures of God known as Jinns. Satan also belongs to this family of creatures. Just like humans, there are jinns who are devoted to the worship of the one true God, and there are those who are the followers of Satan, and it is those Jinns that are involved in the act of fortune telling with humans. Association with them usually involves the grave sin of worshiping them for such services, rather than the true God who is their creator. And people who give predictions through them often tend to be highly accurate in their information and thus present a real temptations for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Some people have attempted to deny the reality of the Jinn about whom the Quran has devoted a whole chapter, Soorah al-Jinn (Chapter 72)But, the reality is that the Jinn represent another creation of God, which co-exists with man on the earth. God created the Jinn before He created mankind, and He also used a different set of elements than those used for man. God said:

“And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.” (Quran 15:26)

They were named Jinn because they are hidden from the eyes of mankind. Satan was in the company of the Angels who were commanded by God to prostrate to Adam. When he refused to prostrate and was asked why, he said:

“He said, ‘I am better than he is. You (God) created me from fire and You created him from clay!” (Quran 38:76)

For further knowledge on this topic, one could ask any Muslim scholar.

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by MSB4gr8(m): 12:07pm On Jan 18, 2015
Lovely comments so far.....despite d fact dat l said dat l didn't intend to create unnecessary religious e-war...some people still abused Islam. May Allah forgive them.


l am a muslim and l knew that fortune telling is "shirk"..great sin .

l only posted d write up ..just to show others DAT Islam is well-coordinated and most, but not all, of our imams and Alfas would not boast around unlike the self-acclaimed G.Os and self-anoited pastors



Allah is great!
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Empiree: 3:09am On Jan 19, 2015

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Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by Ahmedie25(m): 6:31am On Jan 19, 2015
Is prohibited in Islam, is only Allah that known what will happen in next second, is just like fortune telling , Islam doesn't allow that.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by AlBaqir(m): 7:58am On Jan 19, 2015
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by abdussalam(m): 8:15am On Jan 19, 2015
Seeing the future is in the knowledge of the hidden. It is not in the place of a Muslim to visit, listen to or believe people who do this. So, there's no basis for a Muslim to be involved in soothsaying.
Re: Why The Alfas Or Imams Are Not Prophesising Unlike The Pastors? by nellyelitz(m): 8:55am On Jan 19, 2015
Because its never revealed to them... If u doubt ask Atiku

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