I don't know the kind of doctrine English missionaries brought to Africa that is putting the whole Nigerian Christians in bondage of fear like this.
meanwhile, in the Uk, white men are enjoying their lives while we are suffering in Africa.
white men don't allow their religious believes to interfer with their enjoyment. But they came to teach Africans centuries ago that if you enjoy too much you will go to hell fire. we still have that believe and mindset till now.
imagine!

and since when did suffering become synonymous to chiristianity?

it keeps me sane
teaches wisdom
provides necessary boundaries
gives life a meaning..


until u believe in an omnipotent being.. u haven't started living

kilokeys:
and since when did suffering become synonymous to chiristianity?

it keeps me sane
teaches wisdom
provides necessary boundaries
gives life a meaning..


until u believe in an omnipotent being.. u haven't started living

that's a lie, those who do not believe are enjoying their lives too. i believe, I am a Christian. But, truly, we christians in Africa are not enjoying our lives.
the economy situation of this country is not even helping things

It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'?

At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it.

psucc:
It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'?

At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it.

Use me as an example;
I am not a theist ..if u are hungry i will give u food, if u need help i will help u, if u are stranded i give u shelter... morality is a product of empathy, i do not do these things in the hope of reward or punishment after am dead, i do them cus i know them to be right and i am a human, empathy is in my nature. i alone set my own standards and i alone enforce it.
Now ask yourself... I that is doing good because it is good and you that is doing good because you expect reward or fear punishment; Who really among us is truly moral?

did you wake up with cocaine stuffed in your empty skull?with all due respect sir, I mean no offence. I'm just been inquisitive.

johnydon22:

Use me as an example;
if u are hungry i will give u food, if u need help i will help u, if u are stranded i give u shelter... morality is a product of empathy, i do not do these things in the hope of reward or punishment after am dead, i do them cus i know them to be right and i am a human, empathy is in my nature. i alone set my own standards and i alone enforce it.
Now ask yourself... I that is doing good because it is good and you that is doing good because you expect reward or fear punishment; Who really among us is truly moral?

God bless you bros,
this is what morality is all about

psucc:
It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'?

At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it.

you are right, enjoyment include maintaining moral standards

shadowgwalker:
did you wake up with cocaine stuffed in your empty skull?with all due respect sir, I mean no offence. I'm just been inquisitive.

Truth be told, you mean much offence... you cant just stand the fact that another person is beginning to question your over dogmatic beliefs...So you take to insults instead of addressing the op.

Alexis86:

you are right, enjoyment include maintaining moral standards

And what is moral according to u?

Meanwhile OP plank

tushburg:
Meanwhile OP plank

for me, clubs and party is the best moment of enjoyment,atleast two bottles of small stouts with my babe .
so long I do not go beyond my bounds going after other people's babes.
i don't understand what pastors are preaching

johnydon22:

And what is moral according to u?

6 of the laws in the 10 commandments
thou shall not kill
thou shall not lie
thou shall not bear false witness
honor your parents
thou shall not comit adultery
thou shall not covert your neigbors things

CBN.com -- "You must be born again." The
religious leader who heard these words first
spoken 2,000 years ago seemed stunned by
them. This, Nicodemus, a Pharisee and ruler of
the Jews, had already acknowledged his belief
that Jesus Christ had come from God, "for no
one can do these signs that You do unless God
is with him." Chapter three of the Gospel of
John records this intriguing conversation
between Jesus and Nicodemus, giving us a vital
key to the kingdom of God.
Both believers and unbelievers still use Jesus'
words "born again," and many, like
Nicodemus, are still confused by them.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, "How can a man be
born when he is old? He cannot enter a second
time into his mother's womb and be born
again, can he?"
Nicodemus was thinking in terms of the flesh.
Jesus had to explain to him, "That which is
born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that
I said to you, 'you must be born again.'" Jesus
also explained that unless a person is born
again, he cannot see or enter the kingdom of
God. Obviously, this born-again experience,
whatever it is, is absolutely necessary and of
the utmost importance. We cannot take it
lightly, for Jesus spoke imperatively, "You
must" - a command from God.
You can imagine the incredulous look on the
face of Nicodemus. He couldn't believe such a
thing. All his life he had been taught that good
works were the key to heaven-that if a person
observed all the laws and requirements of God,
he would have entrance into heaven. He said to
Jesus, "How can these things be?"
You see, Jesus was talking about things of the
spirit. He compared the spirit with the wind.
You cannot see it; you don't know where it's
coming from or where it's going. But it is real,
and you see its effects. You see what it does to
the trees. You see the leaves that are caught
up in the wind. You see the little swirls of
dust. You feel the wind on your face. Jesus
said, "So is every one who is born of the
Spirit."
The Flesh Versus The Spirit
The problem was that Nicodemus, like all
human beings, was of the flesh. He was from
the earth. Flesh is mortal. It is subject to
death, decay, and corruption. It is filled with
self-pity, self-pride, self-love.
An awesome fact exists about the flesh:
everything we see, everything visible, even our
own bodies, are perishing. Many people try
everything imaginable to ignore or forget this,
but the fact always remains. The Bible says
that things which are visible are temporary but
things which are invisible are eternal (see
2 Corinthians 4:18 ).
The truth is that we dwell in a mortal body
which will soon return to dust.
The Answer
Our old state, our old nature, and even all our
good deeds are insufficient. God is totally and
absolutely holy and righteous. He is perfect.
We cannot fellowship with Him now or in the
next life in the imperfection of our present
nature. Perfection and imperfection are
incompatible.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of
God" (Romans 3:23 ). By our very self-seeking
nature we are sinful and imperfect. And sin
results in death, and eternal separation from
God. This is the result of our earthly nature. It
is obvious that we need a new nature, a nature
that God can look upon with acceptance. A
nature that stands justified before Him. We
need a new birth. You must be born again.
There are four important things about this new
nature, the new birth, that you must know.
A Free Gift
First, the new birth is free, a gift from God!
We cannot earn it. We cannot work for it or
else we could boast, and no one shall boast
before God. An imperfect creature cannot earn
or deserve such merit from a holy God. "For
the wages of sin is death but the free gift of
God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our
Lord" ( Romans 6:23 ). This free gift comes to
us by grace, or unmerited favor (see
Ephesians 2:8,9 ).
Only God's supreme love makes such a free
and wonderful gift possible. God did not
automatically excuse our sinful condition. He
paid the greatest price. You see, sin must be
punished. God in His holy and righteous nature
must judge sin. Not to do so would deny His
very nature. He Himself has decreed that "The
wages of sin is death."
No Greater Love Than This
The most magnificent and incomparable act of
love in all of history is that God took our sins
and death upon Himself. Jesus, the Son of God,
took the punishment in our place. He became
our substitute.
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on
our behalf, that we might become the
righteousness of God in Him
(2 Corinthians 5:21 ).
Jesus Christ, "although He existed in the form
of God, did not regard equality with God a
thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself,
taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. And being found
in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself
by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross" ( Philippians 2:6-8 ).
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His
only begotten Son, that whoever believes in
Him should not perish, but have eternal
life" ( John 3:16 ).
That is why Christ chose to die-to make the
supreme love gift of taking all our punishment
upon Himself, to reconcile the world unto
God. He totally identified with our sinful
nature when He hung on the cross, and
became sin for us though sinless Himself, so
that we might have the free gift of forgiveness
and life.
The Mystery Revealed
The second important fact about this new
nature is that it is actually the nature of the
only perfect Person who ever lived, Jesus
Christ. Only Jesus is good enough. Only He is
perfect. Only His life is acceptable to God. It is
only as we partake of His life that we become
acceptable to God. Being "born again" is
nothing less than receiving the actual life of
the living Christ - His Spirit actually entering
us and bringing our spirit to life. Our spirit is
joined with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17 ). We
then become one with the perfect One. "It is
no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me:
(Galations 2:20). The mystery is now revealed,
"that is, the mystery which has been hidden
from the past ages and generationswhich is
Christ in you, the hope of
glory" (Colossians 1:26,27 ).
Jesus' identification with us is complete. In His
death, He bore our sins and suffered our
death. In His resurrection, He became our life,
so much so that in His Spirit we are even
joined with Him. Now when the Father looks
upon us He sees only the righteousness of
Jesus. We are accepted. We have been born
again!
"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature;
the old things passed away; behold, new things
have come" (2 Corinthians 5:17 ).
The Abundant Life
The third important fact is that when we are
born again, we become a new creature, now.
The heavenly promise is for the future and will
be wonderful beyond understanding. However,
at the new birth we immediately begin to
experience the life of God as He guides us,
walks with us, and indwells us. We experience
the fruit of His Spirit such as love, joy, and
peace. As we are filled with His Spirit, we
experience His supernatural power manifested
in life situations. Life takes on new meaning.
Everything is in a new perspective. Jesus said
that He came, not just to get us to heaven, but
that we "might have life, and might have it
abundantly" (John 10"10).
How To Receive Him
The fourth important fact to know is how to
receive this gift. Doesn't every act of giving
require a giver and a receiver? God, the Giver,
holds out the gift to everyone. It is not His
will that any should perish (see 2 Peter 3:9 ).
But to receive a gift requires that we agree to
a need. We must agree as the spirit of God
shows us that we are, indeed, sinful creatures
in need of God's forgiveness and grace. "Unless
you repent, you will likewise
perish" ( Luke 13:3 ).
Repentance means to change our mind, to
turn. We must change our mind about our
condition and our direction away from God.
And turn to Him.
"But as many as received Him, to them He
gave the right to become children of
God" (John 1:12 ).
We receive Christ by an ingenious method that
only God could devise. It is not by works,
because our abilities would vary and everyone
would not have an equal chance. It is an
opportunity that is equal regardless of
intelligence, sex, age, race, social status, or
wealth. It is by faith.
"For by grace you have been saved through
faith: and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of
God: Not as a result of works, that no one
should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9 ).
To receive Christ, we must acknowledge our
need and who He is. Then we simply turn to
Him by faith and put our trust and reliance in
Him. We receive Him by invitation. Jesus said,
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any
one hears my voice and opens the door, I will
come in to him, and will dine with him, and he
with Me" ( Revelation 3:20 ).
Do you want to be born again, right now? Do
you want a new nature? Do you want to
receive the most wonderful gift in the whole
universe, the life of Christ Himself? Then
simply but sincerely pray:
"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You are the
Son of God. I believe that You died for my sins
and rose from the grave. I invite You into my
heart and receive You right now. Thank You for
forgiveness. Thank You for a new life. Help me
to be what You want me to be and live Your
life through me. Amen."
Now What?
If you sincerely prayed that prayer, God says
that you have new life and that you are a
member of His eternal kingdom. He desires
close fellowship with you during this life and
desires for you even now to live victoriously as
a child of the King! Also, since He died for
you, He wants you to live for Him.
"And He died for all, that they who live should
no longer live for themselves, but for Him who
died and rose again on their
behalf" ( 2 Corinthians 5:15 ).
As we are born again, God immediately
implants a new nature within us. Some
outward change may be dramatic and instant;
some may come gradually. As with any
newborn, our new nature needs nurture and
growth.
Talk to Him frequently. And listen to his voice
within you. That's what prayer is. Read and
meditate upon His Word, the Bible - another
way He speaks to you. Finally, He wants you to
fellowship with other believers and be a
functioning part of His corporate Body -- so
find a Bible-believing church and attend
regulary.

Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real!
Don't believe a lie

Alexis86:

6 of the laws in the 10 commandments
thou shall not kill
thou shall not lie
thou shall not bear false witness
honor your parents
thou shall not comit adultery
thou shall not covert your neigbors things

Yeah quite agreeable... Morality is a product of empathy... for something to be moral it must conform to the good of you, and others and added to the collective good of the society...
If you stole from someone, it hurts the person thereby ur actions are against empathy and therefore is not moral..
If you kiss a girl who also kisses u back, ur actions hurt no one (it pleases both of u instead) their is nothing immoral about it...
Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, only then will the good in you flow for the good of earth and all in it.

DoctorStephen:
Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real!
Don't believe a lie

And how did you know this is true? a book told you?

DoctorStephen:
CBN.com -- "You must be born again." The
religious leader who heard these words first
spoken 2,000 years ago seemed stunned by
them. This, Nicodemus, a Pharisee and ruler of
the Jews, had already acknowledged his belief
that Jesus Christ had come from God, "for no
one can do these signs that You do unless God
is with him." Chapter three of the Gospel of
John records this intriguing conversation
between Jesus and Nicodemus, giving us a vital
key to the kingdom of God.
Both believers and unbelievers still use Jesus'
words "born again," and many, like
Nicodemus, are still confused by them.
Nicodemus asked Jesus, "How can a man be
born when he is old? He cannot enter a second
time into his mother's womb and be born
again, can he?"
Nicodemus was thinking in terms of the flesh.
Jesus had to explain to him, "That which is
born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that
I said to you, 'you must be born again.'" Jesus
also explained that unless a person is born
again, he cannot see or enter the kingdom of
God. Obviously, this born-again experience,
whatever it is, is absolutely necessary and of
the utmost importance. We cannot take it
lightly, for Jesus spoke imperatively, "You
must" - a command from God.
You can imagine the incredulous look on the
face of Nicodemus. He couldn't believe such a
thing. All his life he had been taught that good
works were the key to heaven-that if a person
observed all the laws and requirements of God,
he would have entrance into heaven. He said to
Jesus, "How can these things be?"
You see, Jesus was talking about things of the
spirit. He compared the spirit with the wind.
You cannot see it; you don't know where it's
coming from or where it's going. But it is real,
and you see its effects. You see what it does to
the trees. You see the leaves that are caught
up in the wind. You see the little swirls of
dust. You feel the wind on your face. Jesus
said, "So is every one who is born of the
Spirit."
The Flesh Versus The Spirit
The problem was that Nicodemus, like all
human beings, was of the flesh. He was from
the earth. Flesh is mortal. It is subject to
death, decay, and corruption. It is filled with
self-pity, self-pride, self-love.
An awesome fact exists about the flesh:
everything we see, everything visible, even our
own bodies, are perishing. Many people try
everything imaginable to ignore or forget this,
but the fact always remains. The Bible says
that things which are visible are temporary but
things which are invisible are eternal (see
2 Corinthians 4:18 ).
The truth is that we dwell in a mortal body
which will soon return to dust.
The Answer
Our old state, our old nature, and even all our
good deeds are insufficient. God is totally and
absolutely holy and righteous. He is perfect.
We cannot fellowship with Him now or in the
next life in the imperfection of our present
nature. Perfection and imperfection are
incompatible.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of
God" (Romans 3:23 ). By our very self-seeking
nature we are sinful and imperfect. And sin
results in death, and eternal separation from
God. This is the result of our earthly nature. It
is obvious that we need a new nature, a nature
that God can look upon with acceptance. A
nature that stands justified before Him. We
need a new birth. You must be born again.
There are four important things about this new
nature, the new birth, that you must know.
A Free Gift
First, the new birth is free, a gift from God!
We cannot earn it. We cannot work for it or
else we could boast, and no one shall boast
before God. An imperfect creature cannot earn
or deserve such merit from a holy God. "For
the wages of sin is death but the free gift of
God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our
Lord" ( Romans 6:23 ). This free gift comes to
us by grace, or unmerited favor (see
Ephesians 2:8,9 ).
Only God's supreme love makes such a free
and wonderful gift possible. God did not
automatically excuse our sinful condition. He
paid the greatest price. You see, sin must be
punished. God in His holy and righteous nature
must judge sin. Not to do so would deny His
very nature. He Himself has decreed that "The
wages of sin is death."
No Greater Love Than This
The most magnificent and incomparable act of
love in all of history is that God took our sins
and death upon Himself. Jesus, the Son of God,
took the punishment in our place. He became
our substitute.
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on
our behalf, that we might become the
righteousness of God in Him
(2 Corinthians 5:21 ).
Jesus Christ, "although He existed in the form
of God, did not regard equality with God a
thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself,
taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. And being found
in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself
by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross" ( Philippians 2:6-8 ).
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His
only begotten Son, that whoever believes in
Him should not perish, but have eternal
life" ( John 3:16 ).
That is why Christ chose to die-to make the
supreme love gift of taking all our punishment
upon Himself, to reconcile the world unto
God. He totally identified with our sinful
nature when He hung on the cross, and
became sin for us though sinless Himself, so
that we might have the free gift of forgiveness
and life.
The Mystery Revealed
The second important fact about this new
nature is that it is actually the nature of the
only perfect Person who ever lived, Jesus
Christ. Only Jesus is good enough. Only He is
perfect. Only His life is acceptable to God. It is
only as we partake of His life that we become
acceptable to God. Being "born again" is
nothing less than receiving the actual life of
the living Christ - His Spirit actually entering
us and bringing our spirit to life. Our spirit is
joined with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17 ). We
then become one with the perfect One. "It is
no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me:
(Galations 2:20). The mystery is now revealed,
"that is, the mystery which has been hidden
from the past ages and generationswhich is
Christ in you, the hope of
glory" (Colossians 1:26,27 ).
Jesus' identification with us is complete. In His
death, He bore our sins and suffered our
death. In His resurrection, He became our life,
so much so that in His Spirit we are even
joined with Him. Now when the Father looks
upon us He sees only the righteousness of
Jesus. We are accepted. We have been born
again!
"If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature;
the old things passed away; behold, new things
have come" (2 Corinthians 5:17 ).
The Abundant Life
The third important fact is that when we are
born again, we become a new creature, now.
The heavenly promise is for the future and will
be wonderful beyond understanding. However,
at the new birth we immediately begin to
experience the life of God as He guides us,
walks with us, and indwells us. We experience
the fruit of His Spirit such as love, joy, and
peace. As we are filled with His Spirit, we
experience His supernatural power manifested
in life situations. Life takes on new meaning.
Everything is in a new perspective. Jesus said
that He came, not just to get us to heaven, but
that we "might have life, and might have it
abundantly" (John 10"10).
How To Receive Him
The fourth important fact to know is how to
receive this gift. Doesn't every act of giving
require a giver and a receiver? God, the Giver,
holds out the gift to everyone. It is not His
will that any should perish (see 2 Peter 3:9 ).
But to receive a gift requires that we agree to
a need. We must agree as the spirit of God
shows us that we are, indeed, sinful creatures
in need of God's forgiveness and grace. "Unless
you repent, you will likewise
perish" ( Luke 13:3 ).
Repentance means to change our mind, to
turn. We must change our mind about our
condition and our direction away from God.
And turn to Him.
"But as many as received Him, to them He
gave the right to become children of
God" (John 1:12 ).
We receive Christ by an ingenious method that
only God could devise. It is not by works,
because our abilities would vary and everyone
would not have an equal chance. It is an
opportunity that is equal regardless of
intelligence, sex, age, race, social status, or
wealth. It is by faith.
"For by grace you have been saved through
faith: and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of
God: Not as a result of works, that no one
should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9 ).
To receive Christ, we must acknowledge our
need and who He is. Then we simply turn to
Him by faith and put our trust and reliance in
Him. We receive Him by invitation. Jesus said,
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any
one hears my voice and opens the door, I will
come in to him, and will dine with him, and he
with Me" ( Revelation 3:20 ).
Do you want to be born again, right now? Do
you want a new nature? Do you want to
receive the most wonderful gift in the whole
universe, the life of Christ Himself? Then
simply but sincerely pray:
"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You are the
Son of God. I believe that You died for my sins
and rose from the grave. I invite You into my
heart and receive You right now. Thank You for
forgiveness. Thank You for a new life. Help me
to be what You want me to be and live Your
life through me. Amen."
Now What?
If you sincerely prayed that prayer, God says
that you have new life and that you are a
member of His eternal kingdom. He desires
close fellowship with you during this life and
desires for you even now to live victoriously as
a child of the King! Also, since He died for
you, He wants you to live for Him.
"And He died for all, that they who live should
no longer live for themselves, but for Him who
died and rose again on their
behalf" ( 2 Corinthians 5:15 ).
As we are born again, God immediately
implants a new nature within us. Some
outward change may be dramatic and instant;
some may come gradually. As with any
newborn, our new nature needs nurture and
growth.
Talk to Him frequently. And listen to his voice
within you. That's what prayer is. Read and
meditate upon His Word, the Bible - another
way He speaks to you. Finally, He wants you to
fellowship with other believers and be a
functioning part of His corporate Body -- so
find a Bible-believing church and attend
regulary.

your point is straight forward enough to understand..But the OP is still right.
Born again doctrine is part of the missionary teachings which continues to enslave African Christianity. thank God!! few christians are now thinking and getting understanding.
just read what i am going to say, and think over it with your brain.
it is the brain thinking that makes white men superior over blacks
he told Nicodemus, in
John 3:7, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Meaning, i want to come out plain and tell you what i mean by born again.
He then told him a parable in
John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
let me explain this parable.
this parable was not a spiritual thing at all .
Jesus told him, i am telling you physical things now you don't understand me, what if begin to tell you spiritual things??
The wind there represent the multitude or crowd of disciples following Jesus. Nicodemus in his sight and ear, sees and hear about the multitude of disciples following Jesus but could not tell where they are coming from and where they are going to (all though they are going to Jerusalem ).
then Jesus ended by saying, so is every man that is born again.meaning,all these disciples you see following me are the born again.
The bottomline is,for Nicodemus to see the kingdom of God it is expected that he should join the crowd of disciples and follow Jesus to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God was to be revealed at his crucifixion. THEREFORE, BORN AGAIN SIMPLY MEANS THE EVENT OF THE DISCIPLES FOLLOWING JESUS INTO CHRISTIANITY (not yet in Christianity but on their way to Christianity ).so born again were not yet saved because they were still at Judaism even at the following.
Remember, it was a transition from Judaism(the religion of the jews) to christianity (the Christian faith ).therefore the righteousness of God was revealed from faith to faith at crucifixion.
now,not all who followed Jesus and called him lord lord(not everybody among the born again ) ended up seeing the kingdom of God (ended up becoming christians ) but only about 120 of them, act 1:15. out of the 5000 who eat bread and fishes.
Example of a disciple who was born again who didn't see the kingdom of God was Judas Iscariot, he died on the way, he was unfortunate.
Another example is john the baptist, he also died. Hence, the least person (the greatest sinner ) in Christianity is greater than john the Baptist and all the prophets of old testament (prophets of Judaism ).
You can see that born again was not in Christianity but in Judaism (another religion entirely just like Islam ) and Christianity is far better than born again. Therefore it is far better to be called a Christian than to be called born again.
The painfull thing is that Christians now hijacked the name born again, boasting that they are righteous than any other Christian thereby causing division in the body of Christ.
Please desist from boasting,no man on earth is righteous. We are all justified by faith and not by our dirty works. And that faith is Christianity.
think

johnydon22:

Yeah quite agreeable... Morality is a product of empathy... for something to be moral it must conform to the good of you, and others and added to the collective good of the society...
If you stole from someone, it hurts the person thereby ur actions are against empathy and therefore is not moral..
If you kiss a girl who also kisses u back, ur actions hurt no one (it pleases both of u instead) their is nothing immoral about it...
Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, only then will the good in you flow for the good of earth and all in it.

that's it.
churches are still saying kissing is bad, it marvels me

paxonel:

your point is straight forward enough to understand..But the OP is still right.
Born again doctrine is part of the missionary teachings which continues to enslave African Christianity. thank God!! few christians are now thinking and getting understanding.
just read what i am going to say, and think over it with your brain.
it is the brain thinking that makes white men superior over blacks
he told Nicodemus, in
John 3:7, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Meaning, i want to come out plain and tell you what i mean by born again.
He then told him a parable in
John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
let me explain this parable.
this parable was not a spiritual thing at all .
Jesus told him, i am telling you physical things now you don't understand me, what if begin to tell you spiritual things??
The wind there represent the multitude or crowd of disciples following Jesus. Nicodemus in his sight and ear, sees and hear about the multitude of disciples following Jesus but could not tell where they are coming from and where they are going to (all though they are going to Jerusalem ).
then Jesus ended by saying, so is every man that is born again.meaning,all these disciples you see following me are the born again.
The bottomline is,for Nicodemus to see the kingdom of God it is expected that he should join the crowd of disciples and follow Jesus to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God was to be revealed at his crucifixion. THEREFORE, BORN AGAIN SIMPLY MEANS THE EVENT OF THE DISCIPLES FOLLOWING JESUS INTO CHRISTIANITY (not yet in Christianity but on their way to Christianity ).so born again were not yet saved because they were still at Judaism even at the following.
Remember, it was a transition from Judaism(the religion of the jews) to christianity (the Christian faith ).therefore the righteousness of God was revealed from faith to faith at crucifixion.
now,not all who followed Jesus and called him lord lord(not everybody among the born again ) ended up seeing the kingdom of God (ended up becoming christians ) but only about 120 of them, act 1:15. out of the 5000 who eat bread and fishes.
Example of a disciple who was born again who didn't see the kingdom of God was Judas Iscariot, he died on the way, he was unfortunate.
Another example is john the baptist, he also died. Hence, the least person (the greatest sinner ) in Christianity is greater than john the Baptist and all the prophets of old testament (prophets of Judaism ).
You can see that born again was not in Christianity but in Judaism (another religion entirely just like Islam ) and Christianity is far better than born again. Therefore it is far better to be called a Christian than to be called born again.
The painfull thing is that Christians now hijacked the name born again, boasting that they are righteous than any other Christian thereby causing division in the body of Christ.
Please desist from boasting,no man on earth is righteous. We are all justified by faith and not by our dirty works. And that faith is Christianity.
think

God bless you so much, you have an insite of the scriptures.
the bible even say there is time for everything.
the time before Jesus was crucified is not the same thing as the time after the crucifixion.

DoctorStephen:
Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real!
Don't believe a lie

this is not bible teaching at all, there is something you are confused about

Alexis86:

God bless you so much, you have an insite of the scriptures.
the bible even say there is time for everything.
the time before Jesus was crucified is not the same thing as the time after the crucifixion.

exactly!
when Jesus met Nicodemus he was yet to be crucified. it was then Judaism. there was no Christianity then, that implies there was no salvation because it was the crucifixion that brought salvation.
Christianity started after the crucifixion.
then, how come people are now saying born again is salvation or leads to salvation?
the missionaries never thought over this or they deliberately reach Africans this to put us in bondage

shadowgwalker:
did you wake up with cocaine stuffed in your empty skull?with all due respect sir, I mean no offence. I'm just been inquisitive.

Lol

paxonel:

exactly!
when Jesus met Nicodemus he was yet to be crucified. it was then Judaism. there was no Christianity then, that implies there was no salvation because it was the crucifixion that brought salvation.
Christianity started after the crucifixion.
then, how come people are now saying born again is salvation or leads to salvation?
the missionaries never thought over this or they deliberately reach Africans this to put us in bondage

i have resolved that no amount of religious believe will stop me enjoying my life.
i am a christian does not mean i shouldnt have fun

johnydon22:

Truth be told, you mean much offence... you cant just stand the fact that another person is beginning to question your over dogmatic beliefs...So you take to insults instead of addressing the op.

your truth is an irony, are you jealous I woke up early to ask questions with no offence?e dey pain you say I get megabyte for my phone pass you?

shadowgwalker:
your truth is an irony, are you jealous I woke up early to ask questions with no offence?e dey pain you say I get megabyte for my phone pass you?

lmao... you are so funny bro

all these pastors or men of God, they wount come out to talk now o,
if is inside church they will be filled with the holy spirit and shout, repent! rapture and end time is coming.
now that we are in social forum like this, they will not be filled with the spirit to talk now o, so that people will not ask them questions

Proximo73:
all these pastors or men of God, they wount come out to talk now o,
if is inside church they will be filled with the holy spirit and shout, repent! rapture and end time is coming.
now that we are in social forum like this, they will not be filled with the spirit to talk now o, so that people will not ask them questions

are you saying that they don't ask pastors questions in churches?

denisbid:

are you saying that they don't ask pastors questions in churches?

try it, you are dead

Proximo73:

try it, you are dead

lol...

[quote author=Alexis86 post=30290970]I don't know the kind of doctrine English missionaries brought to Africa that is putting the whole Nigerian Christians in bondage of fear like this.
meanwhile, in the Uk, white men are enjoying their lives while we are suffering in Africa.
white men don't allow their religious believes to interfer with their enjoyment. But they came to teach Africans centuries ago that if you enjoy too much you will go to hell fire. we still have that believe and mindset till now.
imagine!
[/quote
Op thank God you expect us to use our brain. Hence I want to subject your topic to process of logic reasoning as follows: if there is no rapture, no end time, then there is no beginning.
So if there is no beginning then the op and its topic are not existing and I am not typing this now.
I hope I make sense ,and if I don't there is other way, I wish there was, except JESUS.

[quote author=waldigit post=30301012][/quote]
I like you, you tried.. lol
But i didn't say there was no beginning.
the kingdom of God is now this earth we are living since the day Christ was crucified ,
Jesus says let thy kingdom come
so the kingdom has come, it is now inside us..
i believe that there is something oyedepo saw in the bible that make him say heaven on earth.
But the problem i have with him is, he is still teaching end time and rapture contradicting himself.
the kingdom of God has no end. that means, the earth has no end.
life continues on earth for ever and ever and ever, amen