ave you ever wondered why people find it easy
and convenient to run down pastors and cast all of
them in the same mold? Pastors are fraudulent,
they are thieves, they are no good.
The story can go on and on. I find it quite
intriguing when I listen to Christians make such
blanket and loose statements. There is no doubt
that there are pastors who are fraudulent. There
are those who are immoral. And there are those
who are involved in voodoo while calling on the
name of the Lord.
But my grouse really is: Why cast all of them in
the same mold? It is sad that you hardly hear
people talk about the great work that God is using
pastors to do in our society. Nobody talks of their
sacrifices. Nobody talks of the pain they go
through in trying to give birth to a sane society.
Nobody is talking about their labour of love.
I know of pastors who will rather use their money
to pay school fees of members children than use it
for urgent family needs. There are pastors who live
in rented apartments and yet have large
congregation they could take advantage of to have
their own building. I know of a professor (don't
want to mention name) who for years did not live
in luxury. And he is still not living in luxury. He did
not own a house of his own though he could
afford one.
He was so consumed in working for God and doing
missions that he forgot about personal comfort. At
a time in his life he rode on okada. He was ejected
from his uncle's house and he was left in the cold
until God intervened. (the intervention is a long
story)
Now, this man who turned down an offer to
lecturer in a foreign university having completed his
Phd programme to come back to Nigeria to do
missions now has a sprawling estate devoted to
mission work. He host mission conferences in the
estate in Kwara State. This professor is over 70
and he is still firing for the Lord.
Those who don't know his story will now come
and say he is fraudulent. Will that not be a
disservice? Many of the great men we find
convenient to run down today have had to pay one
price or the other to get to where they are.
Perhaps some of us do not know that the RCCG
G.O left his duplex as a lecturer at the University
of Ilorin to live in a dingy room in Imusin, Lagos as
the G.O. of the church. Now people see the
glamour and scream.
Recently, one Rev. Adah who runs a free school for
about 400 children in Taraba State was killed by
Fulani herdsmen. This man gave his life and
resources to children who are not his own. He fed
them free of charge and took care of them before
he was hacked down by agents of darkness. You
hardly read commentaries on such stories but
rather we dissipate so much energy talking about
the few bad eggs in the fold
While I do not subscribe to a flamboyant lifestyle, I
think is just normal that these men of God deserve
some level of comfort. And I think we should rather
promote the good they do than lay undue
emphasis on the bad ones among them.
I do not run a church and I don't know the
temptation that will make me run one. I don't even
like the title pastor. I'll rather remain a brother. But
when people say churches are now big businesses,
my simple reply is: go and start one and see how
easy it is to gather people. There is no doubt that
many have turned it to money spinning enterprise
but there are quite a lot who have been genuinely
called of God and who are doing God's bidding.
Let's tell the good story about these servants of
God. Lets talk about the exploits God is using them
for. Lets talk about the good things about them.
By doing that we will encourage them to do more
and perhaps the bad ones among them will take a
cue.

Ochedi:
While I do not subscribe to a flamboyant lifestyle, I
think is just normal that these men of God deserve
some level of comfort.

Nope! Every human being deserves some level of comfort.

By the way, good people (Atheists,Muslims,Hindus,Christians e.t.c) without the ''Pastor'' title also perform the same benevolent actions as you have stated above.

Same way, these groups of people will be lashed at and chastised when they mess up. Don't be making normal human beings who have dashed themselves with the title 'Pastor' a special breed that should not be examined and reprimanded when necessary.

The word pastor has bn so much abused...so many pple call demselves pastors when their lives reflect odawise. We r nt to judge bt m sure God gave man instinct and gumption to be watchful. The bible is there for us al to read n learn.
#teamsaynotoworshipingpastors

Today's pastors have limited God's blessing to riches alone (so they want their followers to believe). if they are not rich that means God is not happy with them. The only way to measure Gods blessings is tru wealth n riches only. Op they need to be attacked till they change. The only true man of God u mentioned here is Rev. Adah.

@lomprico. wat if u're mistaken and might just b misinterpreting the Pastor. its a "wat if"..u'll end up facing God's wrath.


and even if the pastor has lost his way afta years of faithfulness Ur still doesn't mean we should atrack dem. Remember Saul lost d anointing 2 years afta becoming king yet he ruled for 38 long extra years. during dis whole period David saw it a crime against God to hurt Saul. check out wat He did to d man who claimed to have killed Saul and u'll understand beta.

..and by d way,its God's business He should have d say.
if u lyk a pastor stay away from him. simple! don't cross Ur boundary by interrupting in God's business.

it myt look to u as though he is using his members.well d members ain't complaining. so while should outsiders. And most of d time d outsiders are wrong

In the dark, all colours are the same!

Why are robbers always attacked.

We live in a world of deceit. Not just pastors are attacked, anybody progressing myt always b criticised

@op, every person irrespective of our religious/non-religious affiliations is susceptible to mistakes and naturally humans always take delight in pointing out the faults of others which in most cases is not geared towards correction but in order to cast aspersion on the character of the persons involved. Its only a refined and renewed mind that can overcome this vice. Remember what the Bible say about the accuser of the brethren in Revelations 12:10
The overall aim of the devil is to blind as many as much soul as he can, thereby, preventing them from coming to know the truth. And by what other ways can he achieve this other than to amplify the faults of our spiritual leaders.

Ochedi:
@lomprico. wat if u're mistaken and might just b misinterpreting the Pastor. its a "wat if"..u'll end up facing God's wrath.


and even if the pastor has lost his way afta years of faithfulness Ur still doesn't mean we should atrack dem. Remember Saul lost d anointing 2 years afta becoming king yet he ruled for 38 long extra years. during dis whole period David saw it a crime against God to hurt Saul. check out wat He did to d man who claimed to have killed Saul and u'll understand beta.

..and by d way,its God's business He should have d say.
if u lyk a pastor stay away from him. simple! don't cross Ur boundary by interrupting in God's business.

it myt look to u as though he is using his members.well d members ain't complaining. so while should outsiders. And most of d time d outsiders are wrong

Saul was a king not a minister or prophet of God or a mouth piece of God. His mision was not to win souls for God.

asala1:
Why are robbers always attacked.

cos they r robbers. and its certain dat they are

ubijus:
@op, every person irrespective of our religious/non-religious affiliations is susceptible to mistakes and naturally humans always take delight in pointing out the faults of others which in most cases is not geared towards correction but in order to cast aspersion on the character of the persons involved. Its only a refined and renewed mind that can overcome this vice. Remember what the Bible say about the accuser of the brethren in Revelations 12:10
The overall aim of the devil is to blind as many as much soul as he can, thereby, preventing them from coming to know the truth. And by what other ways can he achieve this other than to amplify the faults of our spiritual leaders.

exactly! ..and dats y I opt to liberate men from dat mindset

lomprico:

Saul was a king not a minister or prophet of God or a mouth piece of God. His mision was not to win souls for God.

Lol..its every Christian's call to win souls.not just men of God. so u can as well condemn urself for seeking oda tins nd not focusing of Ur calling.

And for Ur information Saul was a minister. In d old convenant they are three ministerial offices. d prophet,king and priest.

let God's servants be. let's stop trying to help God. He is in charge. remember wat happen to d man who tried helping the ark of convenant from falling. let's b warned o

Ochedi:


cos they r robbers. and its certain dat they are

Same with the pastors, they are robbers and it's certain that they are.

Ochedi:


Lol..its every Christian's call to win souls.not just men of God. so u can as well condemn urself for seeking oda tins nd not focusing of Ur calling.

And for Ur information Saul was a minister. In d old convenant they are three ministerial offices. d prophet,king and priest.

let God's servants be. let's stop trying to help God. He is in charge. remember wat happen to d man who tried helping the ark of convenant from falling. let's b warned o

Good! Since its every Christians duty to win soul be it pastors, biz men, coy workers, etc. And if any of these peeps leave their primary purpose in d ministry of winning souls n start preaching money, they will be attacked! And their attack is not to help God, its to help the people they deceive of their earnings.

Ochedi:
ave you ever wondered why people find it easy
and convenient to run down pastors and cast all of
them in the same mold? Pastors are fraudulent,
they are thieves, they are no good.
The story can go on and on. I find it quite
intriguing when I listen to Christians make such
blanket and loose statements. There is no doubt
that there are pastors who are fraudulent. There
are those who are immoral. And there are those
who are involved in voodoo while calling on the
name of the Lord.
But my grouse really is: Why cast all of them in
the same mold? It is sad that you hardly hear
people talk about the great work that God is using
pastors to do in our society. Nobody talks of their
sacrifices. Nobody talks of the pain they go
through in trying to give birth to a sane society.
Nobody is talking about their labour of love.
I know of pastors who will rather use their money
to pay school fees of members children than use it
for urgent family needs. There are pastors who live
in rented apartments and yet have large
congregation they could take advantage of to have
their own building. I know of a professor (don't
want to mention name) who for years did not live
in luxury. And he is still not living in luxury. He did
not own a house of his own though he could
afford one.
He was so consumed in working for God and doing
missions that he forgot about personal comfort. At
a time in his life he rode on okada. He was ejected
from his uncle's house and he was left in the cold
until God intervened. (the intervention is a long
story)
Now, this man who turned down an offer to
lecturer in a foreign university having completed his
Phd programme to come back to Nigeria to do
missions now has a sprawling estate devoted to
mission work. He host mission conferences in the
estate in Kwara State. This professor is over 70
and he is still firing for the Lord.
Those who don't know his story will now come
and say he is fraudulent. Will that not be a
disservice? Many of the great men we find
convenient to run down today have had to pay one
price or the other to get to where they are.
Perhaps some of us do not know that the RCCG
G.O left his duplex as a lecturer at the University
of Ilorin to live in a dingy room in Imusin, Lagos as
the G.O. of the church. Now people see the
glamour and scream.
Recently, one Rev. Adah who runs a free school for
about 400 children in Taraba State was killed by
Fulani herdsmen. This man gave his life and
resources to children who are not his own. He fed
them free of charge and took care of them before
he was hacked down by agents of darkness. You
hardly read commentaries on such stories but
rather we dissipate so much energy talking about
the few bad eggs in the fold
While I do not subscribe to a flamboyant lifestyle, I
think is just normal that these men of God deserve
some level of comfort. And I think we should rather
promote the good they do than lay undue
emphasis on the bad ones among them.
I do not run a church and I don't know the
temptation that will make me run one. I don't even
like the title pastor. I'll rather remain a brother. But
when people say churches are now big businesses,
my simple reply is: go and start one and see how
easy it is to gather people. There is no doubt that
many have turned it to money spinning enterprise
but there are quite a lot who have been genuinely
called of God and who are doing God's bidding.
Let's tell the good story about these servants of
God. Lets talk about the exploits God is using them
for. Lets talk about the good things about them.
By doing that we will encourage them to do more
and perhaps the bad ones among them will take a
cue.

the problem i have with pastors is not their money. is that, they say one thing today ,tomorrow they will say another thing different.
all pastors in Nigeria do it. they ended up confusing Nigerian population thereby putting their mindset at fear of the unknown, consequently, less hardwork of government, because president and senators are choosen from the people.
i read adeboye this morning saying the kingdom of God or heaven is the church on earth, i was surprise, so he know about this?
tomorrow he will begin to say repent the kingdom of God is at hand and start preaching rapture.
i mean, which kind confusion is this?
sometimes, i begin to wonder, are these pastors suffering many things, paying the price, only for them to begin to play smart one to Nigerians when they finally start making their millions?
they should have mercy to Nigerians and stand by the right information from the bible without waving or contradicting themselves . people are suffering

Ochedi:
ave you ever wondered why people find it easy
and convenient to run down pastors and cast all of
them in the same mold? Pastors are fraudulent,
they are thieves, they are no good.
The story can go on and on. I find it quite
intriguing when I listen to Christians make such
blanket and loose statements. There is no doubt
that there are pastors who are fraudulent. There
are those who are immoral. And there are those
who are involved in voodoo while calling on the
name of the Lord.
But my grouse really is: Why cast all of them in
the same mold? It is sad that you hardly hear
people talk about the great work that God is using
pastors to do in our society. Nobody talks of their
sacrifices. Nobody talks of the pain they go
through in trying to give birth to a sane society.
Nobody is talking about their labour of love.
I know of pastors who will rather use their money
to pay school fees of members children than use it
for urgent family needs. There are pastors who live
in rented apartments and yet have large
congregation they could take advantage of to have
their own building. I know of a professor (don't
want to mention name) who for years did not live
in luxury. And he is still not living in luxury. He did
not own a house of his own though he could
afford one.
He was so consumed in working for God and doing
missions that he forgot about personal comfort. At
a time in his life he rode on okada. He was ejected
from his uncle's house and he was left in the cold
until God intervened. (the intervention is a long
story)
Now, this man who turned down an offer to
lecturer in a foreign university having completed his
Phd programme to come back to Nigeria to do
missions now has a sprawling estate devoted to
mission work. He host mission conferences in the
estate in Kwara State. This professor is over 70
and he is still firing for the Lord.
Those who don't know his story will now come
and say he is fraudulent. Will that not be a
disservice? Many of the great men we find
convenient to run down today have had to pay one
price or the other to get to where they are.
Perhaps some of us do not know that the RCCG
G.O left his duplex as a lecturer at the University
of Ilorin to live in a dingy room in Imusin, Lagos as
the G.O. of the church. Now people see the
glamour and scream.
Recently, one Rev. Adah who runs a free school for
about 400 children in Taraba State was killed by
Fulani herdsmen. This man gave his life and
resources to children who are not his own. He fed
them free of charge and took care of them before
he was hacked down by agents of darkness. You
hardly read commentaries on such stories but
rather we dissipate so much energy talking about
the few bad eggs in the fold
While I do not subscribe to a flamboyant lifestyle, I
think is just normal that these men of God deserve
some level of comfort. And I think we should rather
promote the good they do than lay undue
emphasis on the bad ones among them.
I do not run a church and I don't know the
temptation that will make me run one. I don't even
like the title pastor. I'll rather remain a brother. But
when people say churches are now big businesses,
my simple reply is: go and start one and see how
easy it is to gather people. There is no doubt that
many have turned it to money spinning enterprise
but there are quite a lot who have been genuinely
called of God and who are doing God's bidding.
Let's tell the good story about these servants of
God. Lets talk about the exploits God is using them
for. Lets talk about the good things about them.
By doing that we will encourage them to do more
and perhaps the bad ones among them will take a
cue.

Kill the shepherd and the sheep will all scatter. That is why devil is after the church and pastors. But they will not succeed.

Reasons
1. Bad news sell
2. Kingdom of darkness does not take blows lying
3. Stupidity

1. is a fact and is not restricted to pastors. It is much easier to point at others' faults, makes us feel better than them
2. 'For we wrestle not against flesh and blood'.
3. Extravagant lifestyle usually supported by the 'prophet's seed' as opposed to their salary

Iceflox:


the problem i have with pastors is not their money. is that, they say one thing today ,tomorrow they will say another thing different.
all pastors in Nigeria do it. they ended up confusing Nigerian population thereby putting their mindset at fear of the unknown, consequently, less hardwork of government, because president and senators are choosen from the people.
i read adeboye this morning saying the kingdom of God or heaven is the church on earth, i was surprise, so he know about this?
tomorrow he will begin to say repent the kingdom of God is at hand and start preaching rapture.
i mean, which kind confusion is this?
sometimes, i begin to wonder, are these pastors suffering many things, paying the price, only for them to begin to play smart one to Nigerians when they finally start making their millions?
they should have mercy to Nigerians and stand by the right information from the bible without waving or contradicting themselves . people are suffering

Lol..there's no contradiction there. d carnal mind cannot understand dat mystery. instead of concluding its a contradiction why not seek to understand it first

jdilight:


Kill the shepherd and the sheep will all scatter. That is why devil is after the church and pastors. But they will not succeed.

Amen o.

asala1:


Same with the pastors, they are robbers and it's certain that they are.

if u knw wat it means to be a pastor u won't say dat .

If u really tink church is a business y not start one and laugh at Ur folly leta

lomprico:

Good! Since its every Christians duty to win soul be it pastors, biz men, coy workers, etc. And if any of these peeps leave their primary purpose in d ministry of winning souls n start preaching money, they will be attacked! And their attack is not to help God, its to help the people they deceive of their earnings.

Lol...are u doing Ur own part? wen last did u win a soul? why? u're pursing oda tinz.

can't u see Ur claim of helping d pple ain't working? its onlyin causing more trouble. and I wonda wat even makes u feel u're right or dat u're obliged to do DAT. u're only setting urself up for destruction. Trust me,not all men of God's angels are dat gentle.

Ochedi:


Lol...are u doing Ur own part? wen last did u win a soul? why? u're pursing oda tinz.

can't u see Ur claim of helping d pple ain't working? its onlyin causing more trouble. and I wonda wat even makes u feel u're right or dat u're obliged to do DAT. u're only setting urself up for destruction. Trust me,not all men of God's angels are dat gentle.

I think d brain casing in ur skull is empty due to too much brain wash!

Ochedi:


Lol..there's no contradiction there. d carnal mind cannot understand dat mystery. instead of concluding its a contradiction why not seek to understand it first

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i understand it.
it is not a mystery, the Bible is very straight forward in that aspect. that there is time for everything.
their was time before Christ was crucified and there is time after the crucifixion which all christians (belong ).
before Christ was crucified he preached, repent for the kingdom of is at hand (it is near ), but after he was crucified, the kingdom of God was revealed here on earth.
pastor adeboye and all Nigerian pastors know this truth. yet they are still treating christians as if they belong to the era before Christ was crucified, which is old covenant era, by telling christians repent for the kingdom of God is at hand (that is, the kingdom of God is comming in the future ).,meanwhile, the kingdom is already here with us..
this misconception has a great negative implication to Nigerians.
if you ask any Nigerian why are you running the race of Christianity, why do you go to church, they will tell you i want to make heaven when rapture come.
meanwhile, that heaven is right inside them, they have it here on earth.
it's like you have a pair of shoes in your house Jesus gave you, but you don't know, and you are running a race to far sokoto in order to get that same pair of shoes.
i don't see any intelligence there
white men understand this thing. if you ever travel to the UK, you will see that the way they practice their Christianity over there and the way we are practicing it here are not the same. that's why their lives are better.
what i have just done is to identify exactly where the problem is.
it's like, you were thought in jss 3 science that matter is defined as anything that has weight and occupy space,the correct definition for js classes, but by the time you cross to ss1, the definition changed to matter is anything that has mass, which is the correct definition for that class.
now, image a ss1. teacher begin to make reference to jss 3 definition and begin to teach you that matter is anything that has weight and occupy space. is that not contradiction?
that is what these pastors are doing to us.
they read Bible and make reference to the place where Jesus says repent for the kingdom of God is at hand in Matthew( which was actually correct at that time because Christ was yet to be crucified ), they forgot that Christ was crucified at the end of Matthew. therefore the kingdom of God is right inside us.
gal 2:20 says yet not i, but Christ in me.
so all these rapture, end time that pastors are making you people fear is scam, they are doing it to make you fear so that they can make money from you.
incase you are looking for prosperity, go and work. no pastor can make you prosper, except you are employed and paid in the church

Ochedi:


if u knw wat it means to be a pastor u won't say dat .

If u really tink church is a business y not start one and laugh at Ur folly leta

I am cruel. It's easier to be a pastor than anything else, why do you think there are churches everywhere? Easy way to make fast money.

Iceflox:

hehe...dat man is a pastor not a teacher so stop expecting dat much from him.believe me,he isn't doing in on purpose.


who says rapture is scam? guy go for help. Yes Heaven is in me bt d bible also talks abt The new physical Heaven and Earth dat will appear. There is a heaven believers will go to while d 7yrs of tribulations is on.

pls go read Ur Bible. its obvious u're d type wus arrogance maks u tink u knw all and thus always looking for faults in odas believe.

asala1:


I am cruel. It's easier to be a pastor than anything else, why do you think there are churches everywhere? Easy way to make fast money.

den try opening one...hehehe ignorance at its peak

Ochedi:



den try opening one...hehehe ignorance at its peak

I am not thief. I will rather operate an orphanage.

Ochedi:


hehe...dat man is a pastor not a teacher so stop expecting dat much from him.believe me,he isn't doing in on purpose.


who says rapture is scam? guy go for help. Yes Heaven is in me bt d bible also talks abt The new physical Heaven and Earth dat will appear. There is a heaven believers will go to while d 7yrs of tribulations is on.

pls go read Ur Bible. its obvious u're d type wus arrogance maks u tink u knw all and thus always looking for faults in odas believe.

ahahahaahaah!
new physical heaven in revelation? and 7 years of tribulation?
are you not supporting your claims with scriptures?
you cannot start it
are you refering to the tribulation of disciples who followed christ to jerusalem when he was about to be crucified, as mentioned by jesus in matthew 24 which has already pass? una funny o.
ahahahahaaahaa. lol
no wonder people are attacking pastors because it is you followers who don't read bible that are defending them ignorantly.
when i say nigerians are lost, confused people you don't believe me.
for your info, revelation was a dream that needs interpretation.
if you take dreams as if it is going to happen like that in real life without knowing the interpretation then are still dreaming.
dreaming of rapture and heaven.. ahahahahaaaaha!
if your pastors beliefs were not faulty why are nigerians ignorant and corrupt inspite all the churches?
all your pastors know the truth they are afraid to say it.
they are thieves
i sorry for Nigeria

Iceflox:

ahahahaahaah!
new physical heaven in revelation? and 7 years of tribulation?
are you not supporting your claims with scriptures?
you cannot start it
are you refering to the tribulation of disciples who followed christ to jerusalem when he was about to be crucified, as mentioned by jesus in matthew 24 which has already pass? una funny o.
ahahahahaaahaa. lol
no wonder people are attacking pastors because it is you followers who don't read bible that are defending them ignorantly.
when i say nigerians are lost, confused people you don't believe me.
for your info, revelation was a dream that needs interpretation.
if you take dreams as if it is going to happen like that in real life without knowing the interpretation then are still dreaming.
dreaming of rapture and heaven.. ahahahahaaaaha!
if your pastors beliefs were not faulty why are nigerians ignorant and corrupt inspite all the churches?
all your pastors know the truth they are afraid to say it.
they are thieves
i sorry for Nigeria

Lol...from reading Ur points. I will be wasting ma mind to show u scriptures cos it'll all end up in fruitless arguments. u're just too blind. go and pray for mercy else..

lomprico:

I think d brain casing in ur skull is empty due to too much brain wash!

d next time u sound dis way I'll show up where u are.don't ask wat will happen afta den.

u people just talk anyhow not knwin wu u're speaking to.
I warn u! watch it!

Ochedi:


d next time u sound dis way I'll show up where u are.don't ask wat will happen afta den.

u people just talk anyhow not knwin wu u're speaking to.
I warn u! watch it!

U are a nobody, a silly fool. I thought I was conversing with a sensible person. And there is absolutely nothing u can do!
Quote me and burn!