maxwell530:
the reason why me and my family always demand for toyota is not that its popular in US but because its the best car to ride on naija roads,toyota suit with nigeria economy,and besides who told you toyota is the most popular vehicle in US??

Bangs head
I wasn't the one that mentioned that Toyota is common in Nigeria because it is popular in the US. I don't even live in Nigeria so i don't care what you guys drive on your roads..It's non of my business.. Please read below.

abatically:
Toyota doesn't only sell in Nigeria, they also sell very well in north America even though north Americans have their indigenous car manufacturers. Other than the reasons the op mentioned, below are also some of the reason.

1. Most cars in Nigeria are imported from north America, Toyota products sell very well in north America so it is very normal that dealers import more of Toyota than any other brands.

2. We do not have a solid indigenous car manufacturer so we need to source from abroad. The USA is still the biggest auto market in the world and since they love Toyota, it is normal dealers import more of Toyota.

My reply.

saxywale:

But Ford sells very well in America too even more than Toyota... Why don't we have so many fords in Nigeria.. I think it's more of demand and supply.

abatically:


Toyota still sells more than ford even in the USA. The only reason ford sells there is because it is an american country. The same way perodua and proton sells well in Malaysia (not that they are the best all round). Same way innosson will sell well in Nigeria in a few years if they can get their sh!t together. Ford cars have a very bad history of reliability and that is why they can't just sell here.

From the top 20....
Toyota Camry - 428,606
Toyota Corolla - 339,498
Toyota Rav 4 - 267,698
Toyota prius - 207,372
Overall Toyota Total = 1,243,174

Ford F150 -753,851
Ford fusion - 306,860
Ford Escape - 306212
Total = 1366923
Now add the ramaining 2 on the list,
Ford focus - 219634
Ford explorer - 209994
Overall Ford Total = 1,796,551

Toyota tundra, a truck as well did not even make the list.

standupguy:


For instance, Shock absorber, The shock absorber on a benz would definitely last longer than that on a toyota.
This is durability which can also be justified by the difference in prize.

An example of reliability is me being able to drive my Toyota Camry from Lekki to Surulere by 1:00am without fan belt(Cut).
Reliability is being able to drive from Ajah to Isolo after losing the functionality of a radiator fan.
Reliability is when your valves remain intact after loosing a timing belt.
Reliability is when i can pass through murky waters that affect mini Suvs peacefully without fear of my car stopping half way.
That my brother is reliability you can't try those on a benz or any european car.
Buy a reliable car today, BUY TOYOTA.

Thats a good explanation but don't you think what isn't durable cant be reliable? Cos if I understand what you're saying you mean even if the engine knock d ride go still work? To me what is durable is reliable & vice-versa

Toyota is very popular in nigeria but not dominant in all parts of nigeria. Toyota is not and can never be the most dominant brand in abuja roads.

saxywale:

I am not concerned bout the biggest auto maker in the world. I was only talking about a point raised by someone on why Toyotas dominated the Nigerian market because it's the most popular automobile in the US instead of laws of demand and supply..don't just jump into an argument mid way if you are not sure about what is being discussed... get it.

Okay, now you're assuming I am not sure what's being discussed, please tell me what's being discussed.

I'll be waiting. Thanks.

Blackkie:
Toyota model can use same parts.
Eg Camry, Highlander and Sienna uses the same engine.

Its normal for a car manufacturer to use one component for various car models.


Mercedes 3.5L V6 gasoline is found in ML350, C350, E350, S350, SLK350, CLK350, R350, GLk350.

Bmw's 3.0L i6 engine was found in 330, x5 3.0, 530 series.
Honda's 2.4 i4 engine was found in accord, Crv, Element.

standupguy:



You are really deviating from our decision here brother..
I will take a Honda design over a Toyota any day, but i hate Honda with all life.
Brother take if from me 1999-2006 S-Class was highly Problematic, Highly!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am talking from experience.
if we are talking about Luxury, drive experience, acceleration, then toyota no dey there now.
Toyota's luxury edition Lexus don't compete with world leading luxury cars not to talk of toyota.

Toyota's philosophy is for every segment, they've got a car to cover that need. Some folks aint concerned with sporty feel, motor moving side ways tyre spinning and creating skid/screech marks on the road. Toyota made cars for them. Folks who need such sporting feel were issued a Supra, Mr2, Gs, IS-F, LF-A (in lexus). For soccer moms Venza, highlander, RX, rav4, Nx is there, for hard core offroaders, they're issued with 4runner, FJ cruiser land cruiser, prado which are same as LX and GX for the executive guy who goes to office and back they're camry, corolla, es series, for the sports guy who travels long distance, they're issued GS series, young guys are issued IS, corolla, city guys who are conscious of fuel economy can choose yaris, agyo, prius for executives and CEOs Ls and Avalon are there to choose from etc.


May I tell you LX and GS class are one of the most luxury potent offroaders and LS series is one very reliable yet prestigious flagship brand competing with S class, 7 series, phaeton, A7 xJ?


Mind you, RX series is the bench mark for luxury crossovers from 1999 till date.
Toyota's highlander, rav4, 4runner are very safe cars with one of the fewest fatalities recorded during crash.

gememerald:


Jeep Wrangler is the No. 1 off the road vehicle for now...nothing can match it...you're talking about front axle, what about clearance...please just try and look out for jeep wrangler hardcore edition, you should like it.

When did toyota start producing off the road.

Have you heard of jeep wrangler rubicon?
Heard of pilot? Unlimited? Hmm... Go and make your findings very well.

4runners, landcruisers, prados, fj cruisers, lexus lx, gx are highly offroad capable and can ford waters of 1000mm. Don't under estimate them. Why are international organizations not using wrangler instead landcruiser series?

saxywale:

Bangs head
I wasn't the one that mentioned that Toyota is common in Nigeria because it is popular in the US. I don't even live in Nigeria so i don't care what you guys drive on your roads..It's non of my business.. Please read below.


My reply.




From the top 20....
Toyota Camry - 428,606
Toyota Corolla - 339,498
Toyota Rav 4 - 267,698
Toyota prius - 207,372
Overall Toyota Total = 1,243,174

Ford F150 -753,851
Ford fusion - 306,860
Ford Escape - 306212
Total = 1366923
Now add the ramaining 2 on the list,
Ford focus - 219634
Ford explorer - 209994
Overall Ford Total = 1,796,551

Toyota tundra, a truck as well did not even make the list.

You can't base ur research on full sized trucks alone. Those F150 come with big v8 engines. If an average Nigerian has his way he would fix a 1.4L engine in a Toyota Sequoia. That is how much we value fuel economy. Most of the cars on Nigerian roads are sedans and small SUVs not full size trucks like F150 or Silverado. Toyota Camry sells more than ford fusion in the USA, corolla sells more than focus.

Also u don't make ur findings on 2014 sales. U realize most cars shipped in Nigeria are used, it would take lots of years to convince people to change their brand, just like it would take years to know if a car is reliable or not. You should make use findings based on sales over the last 10-15 years.

abatically:


You can't base ur research on full sized trucks alone. Those F150 come with big v8 engines. If an average Nigerian has his way he would fix a 1.4L engine in a Toyota Sequoia. That is how much we value fuel economy. Most of the cars on Nigerian roads are sedans and small SUVs not full size trucks like F150 or Silverado. Toyota Camry sells more than ford fusion in the USA, corolla sells more than focus.

Also u don't make ur findings on 2014 sales. U realize most cars shipped in Nigeria are used, it would take lots of years to convince people to change their brand, just like it would take years to know if a car is reliable or not. You should make use findings based on sales over the last 10-15 years.

I didn't base my research on f150. That's why i used total sales... Even if I am to stretch the research to 2000, ford has continually sold more vehicles than Toyota in the US...maybe because it's local like you pointed out...it may be true. I am just trying to point out the fact that it's the laws of demand and supply thats makes Toyota popular in Nigeria(Nigerians are crazy for Toyotas just like Canadian teenagers are crazy for hondas) not because it is popular in the US. I am only opposing your comments highlighted below...

abatically:
Toyota doesn't only sell in Nigeria, they also sell very well in north America even though north Americans have their indigenous car manufacturers. Other than the reasons the op mentioned, below are also some of the reason.

1. Most cars in Nigeria are imported from north America, Toyota products sell very well in north America so it is very normal that dealers import more of Toyota than any other brands.

2. We do not have a solid indigenous car manufacturer so we need to source from abroad. The USA is still the biggest auto market in the world and since they love Toyota, it is normal dealers import more of Toyota.

*Modified*. Okay, let me remove the trucks as it's distorting the figures even though tundra, a truck sold in US did not even make the top 20.. and since you said Nigerians would rather put a 1.4 engine in their favourite Toyota Sequoia, Landcruiser(v8 variant) and prado(v8 variant) suvs....

Below you have the top selling sedans in the US between the years 1999 - 2001.

Ford taurus was number 3 on that list in sales for 3 years consistently and corolla number 7 consistently....Yet we have more corollas in Nigeria for that year more than the Taurus or Cavalier or civic.... I don't even think I have ever seen a Cavalier in Nigeria.
That's a good reason to show that the demand for Toyota is high in Nigeria maybe for their reliability but definitely not because it sells well in the US or not because Nigerian dealers have no choice.

not only in Nigeria ,even China and other countries too.the number of Toyota in China can be shared to Nigerians 12/person at least .

lomomike:


You're wrong. Toyota camry was the highest selling midsized sedan in US since XV20 model was released in 97 till 2013.
Toyota corolla is the highest selling compact Sedan in USA since early 2000

The Bold sentence is wrong if the picture i posted from a website above is correct, the civic, cavalier and escort sold more than the corolla in 2000 and 2001.

lomomike:



Okay, now you're assuming I am not sure what's being discussed, please tell me what's being discussed.

I'll be waiting. Thanks.

What is being discussed is below..

abatically:
Toyota doesn't only sell in Nigeria, they also sell very well in north America even though north Americans have their indigenous car manufacturers. Other than the reasons the op mentioned, below are also some of the reason.

1. Most cars in Nigeria are imported from north America, Toyota products sell very well in north America so it is very normal that dealers import more of Toyota than any other brands.

2. We do not have a solid indigenous car manufacturer so we need to source from abroad. The USA is still the biggest auto market in the world and since they love Toyota, it is normal dealers import more of Toyota.

saxywale:

But Ford sells very well in America too even more than Toyotas... Why don't we have so many fords in Nigeria.. I think it's more of demand and supply.

saxywale:

I didn't base my research on f150. That's why i used total sales... Even if I am to stretch the research to 2000, ford has continually sold more vehicles than Toyota in the US...maybe because it's local like you pointed out...it may be true. I am just trying to point out the fact that it's the laws of demand and supply thats makes Toyota popular in Nigeria(Nigerians are crazy for Toyotas just like Canadian teenagers are crazy for hondas) not because it is popular in the US. I am only opposing your comments highlighted below...


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*Modified*. Okay, let me remove the trucks as it's distorting the figures even though tundra, a truck sold in US did not even make the top 20.. and since you said Nigerians would rather put a 1.4 engine in their favourite Toyota Sequoia, Landcruiser(v8 variant) and prado(v8 variant) suvs....

Below you have the top selling sedans in the US between the years 1999 - 2001.

Ford taurus was number 3 on that list in sales for 3 years consistently and corolla number 7 consistently....Yet we have more corollas in Nigeria for that year more than the Taurus or Cavalier or civic.... I don't even think I have ever seen a Cavalier in Nigeria.
That's a good reason to show that the demand for Toyota is high in Nigeria maybe for their reliability but definitely not because it sells well in the US or not because Nigerian dealers have no choice.

You are right , but I think u misunderstood me. My initial comment was to add to the points the op had already given, which include reliability, easy to fix, etc. Toyota cars are not the most beautiful, they are not the most powerful, they are not the most luxurious. But what they have done is make cars with everything put together at a considerable level and considerable price too. People think it is easy to bring a considerable balance to reliability, luxury, and performance at a bargain price. That is what Toyota have done and that is why they are so popular.

Toyota Camry is the number one selling sedan in the USA, Nigerians don't care if it is Camry or corolla or matrix, so far it is a Toyota, they are in so yes demand plays a big part.

abatically:


You are right , but I think u misunderstood me. My initial comment was to add to the points the op had already given, which include reliability, easy to fix, etc. Toyota cars are not the most beautiful, they are not the most powerful, they are not the most luxurious. But what they have done is make cars with everything put together at a considerable level and considerable price too. People think it is easy to bring a considerable balance to reliability, luxury, and performance at a bargain price. That is what Toyota have done and that is why they are so popular.

Toyota Camry is the number one selling sedan in the USA, Nigeria s don't care if it is Camry or Toyota or matrix, so far it is a Toyota, they are in so yes demand plays a big part.

Oh i see now..I was treating it as a standalone comment.
Yeah they could be bland but they are now improving a lot with the design especially the interior....Infact, the interior of the 2014/15 corolla sport is awesome for a toyota.

saxywale:

Oh i see now..I was treating it as a standalone comment.
Yeah they could be bland but they are now improving a lot with the design especially the interior....Infact, the interior of the 2014/15 corolla sport is awesome for a toyota.

They had to, if not they would go down like Peugeot in the coming years because the Koreans (Hyundai and KIA) are really coming at them with full force. You know the new generation KIA optima is rated more than the new Camry. So is the new Hyundai sonata too.

lomomike:



Toyota's philosophy is for every segment, they've got a car to cover that need. Some folks aint concerned with sporty feel, motor moving side ways tyre spinning and creating skid/screech marks on the road. Toyota made cars for them. Folks who need such sporting feel were issued a Supra, Mr2, Gs, IS-F, LF-A (in lexus). For soccer moms Venza, highlander, RX, rav4, Nx is there, for hard core offroaders, they're issued with 4runner, FJ cruiser land cruiser, prado which are same as LX and GX for the executive guy who goes to office and back they're camry, corolla, es series, for the sports guy who travels long distance, they're issued GS series, young guys are issued IS, corolla, city guys who are conscious of fuel economy can choose yaris, agyo, prius for executives and CEOs Ls and Avalon are there to choose from etc.


May I tell you LX and GS class are one of the most luxury potent offroaders and LS series is one very reliable yet prestigious flagship brand competing with S class, 7 series, phaeton, A7 xJ?


Mind you, RX series is the bench mark for luxury crossovers from 1999 till date.
Toyota's highlander, rav4, 4runner are very safe cars with one of the fewest fatalities recorded during crash.

In my opinion, such variety is why toyota are worldwide bestsellers- 'tailor' making a car for everyone!

abatically:


They had to, if not they would go down like Peugeot in the coming years because the Koreans (Hyundai and KIA) are really coming at them with full force. You know the new generation KIA optima is rated more than the new Camry.

Na waoh..This Koreans are not smiling at all, they are really pushing designs to the limit.... The interior of that optima looks like something from the future.
The double exhuast gives it a luxury look as well on both the sonata and optima. They are really chasing the Japanese not only in cars but electronics too. Kia and Hyundai are also changing the design for both the Sportage and ix35(tucson), these cars are already looking futuristic yet are changing the designs for 2016.

lomomike:



4runners, landcruisers, prados, fj cruisers, lexus lx, gx are highly offroad capable and can ford waters of 1000mm. Don't under estimate them. Why are international organizations not using wrangler instead landcruiser series?

I beg to differ here. The work of my organization require us to go to many rural areas..most with terrible road access. We have a couple of landcruisers in our fleet, as well as a few defenders and a Jeep wrangler. The landcruisers (2010 models) though being really comfortable for offroaders, bottom out waay too much on demanding terrain....so we usually send out the Wrangler to kind of "pave a way" so the rest of the convoy can continue in its tracks. The previous gen Land Cruisers were much better offroaders but for the buttered down present gen? The Defender and Wrangler are pretty much superior in that regard.

What the present gen has going for it is its awesome capacity...it swallows most of our stuff- and thats why we have so darn many

saxywale:

How does this relate to the Pont's raised by that poster. chai. English comprehension is rocket science to some people.

. You are the one with comprehension issue. Read then you will understand what I have written. Mr know it all.

That thing honda vehicles do when one of front tyres acts like Its possessed and takes a turn more than the other tyre reminiscent of exorcism of Emily Rose whats up with that? And it always happens at the silliest of places! Even seen it happen once smack in the middle of third mainland bridge at the adekunle junction. I only wonder what could happen if the driver is on high speed and this happens. Thing is this is synonymous with honda cars

maxwell530:
Pls can anyone name another vehicle that are stronger on naija roads than this two toyota products....4runner and hilux.even big construction companies around me here always use this two products from toyota.

ISUZU TIGER
ISUZU TROOPER

FORD EXPLORER
FORD RANGER
FORD F150

DODGE DURANGO V8
DODGE RAM
Should I go on. Only someone who has not seen another persons farm will say his father's farm is the biggest. I use a toyota but I will always tell you, toyota is over rated in Nigeria.

nurey:


ISUZU TIGER
ISUZU TROOPER

FORD EXPLORER
FORD RANGER
FORD F150

DODGE DURANGO V8
DODGE RAM
Should I go on. Only someone who has not seen another persons farm will say his father's farm is the biggest. I use a toyota but I will always tell you, toyota is over rated in Nigeria.

So if u own a construction company u would seriously use a dodge ram or ford f150 or durago as ur work trucks? Trust me u will spend ur profits fixing them. Why u no mention Chevrolet Silverado?

Ford explorer vs Toyota 4runner? U are exaggerating.

And we see how those ford rangers frsc uses turn out after a few years vs Toyota hilux. The ranger is just too fragile compared to a hilux.

Look Toyota don't make the best cars, they don't make the best luxury, but they bring balance in all features required from a car at a considerable price and high reliability and resale value.

abatically:


So if u own a construction company u would seriously use a dodge ram or ford f150 or durago as ur work trucks? Trust me u will spend ur profits fixing them. Why u no mention Chevrolet Silverado?

Ford explorer vs Toyota 4runner? U are exaggerating.

And we see how those ford rangers frsc uses turn out after a few years vs Toyota hilux. The ranger is just too fragile compared to a hilux.

Look Toyota don't make the best cars, they don't make the best luxury, but they bring balance in all features required from a car at a considerable price and high reliability and resale value.

Another good fallacy, the worst cars I have seen used by gov security agents is still a toyota hilux, come and see the tacoma 2005 model year that is been used by police. Also the 1st generation prado used by police is like a coffin on wheels looks like something that was used as a stunt machine in world war 2, those agencies don't have one iota of maintenance they use vehicles like maniacs since they don't pay a dime for it.

So schools that use dodge ram as school bus with V8 triton have gone bankrupt abi, abeg I have driven a V8 before and I have surpassed the naija fuel efficiency syndrome. In abeokuta, incity bus motorists now prefer ford transit diesel engine to so called hiace also look well mazda B series and their 2200 counterpart are common than hiace bus.

Ford (ranger), nissan (frontier) and mitsubishi trucks are also as rugged as hilux if well taken care of and don't let me start with NISSAN PATHFINDER against the 4Runner, the lexus Rx should also watch its back because mitsubishi (ASX and outlander) and nissan/infiniti are really on its heels.

nurey:


Another good fallacy, the worst cars I have seen used by gov security agents is still a toyota hilux, come and see the tacoma 2005 model year that is been used by police. Also the 1st generation prado used by police is like a coffin on wheels looks like something that was used as a stunt machine in world war 2, those agencies don't have one iota of maintenance they use vehicles like maniacs since they don't pay a dime for it.

So schools that use dodge ram as school bus with V8 triton have gone bankrupt abi, abeg I have driven a V8 before and I have surpassed the naija fuel efficiency syndrome. In abeokuta, incity bus motorists now prefer ford transit diesel engine to so called hiace also look well mazda B series and their 2200 counterpart are common than hiace bus.

Ford (ranger), nissan (frontier) and mitsubishi trucks are also as rugged as hilux if well taken care of and don't let me start with NISSAN PATHFINDER against the 4Runner, the lexus Rx should also watch its back because mitsubishi (ASX and outlander) and nissan/infiniti are really on its heels.

U still don't get it. The dude was talking about Toyota hilux, a 2.7L i4 engine config and u are bringing in dodge RAM and F150. The hilux /Tacoma is in the same class as ford ranger but the ranger is way too fragile than the hilux. Go to consumer reviews, that is where u can really get good information on how reliable they are. The ford ranger used by frsc is just a means for the govt to cut costs and embezzle money because hilux are more expensive. Even top auto sites like CNET and top speed have good things to say about the hilux/Tacoma.

Op lay ur hands on BMW. And u will forget about toyota.

abatically:


U still don't get it. The dude was talking about Toyota hilux, a 2.7L i4 engine config and u are bringing in dodge RAM and F150. The hilux /Tacoma is in the same class as ford ranger but the ranger is way too fragile than the hilux. Go to consumer reviews, that is where u can really get good information on how reliable they are. The ford ranger used by frsc is just a means for the govt to cut costs and embezzle money because hilux are more expensive. Even top auto sites like CNET and top speed have good things to say about the hilux/Tacoma.

I hope you know the hilux has a V6 variant and the F150 as well. Since we weren't paramount on engine config but on types of car reason for listing those. After all reliablity is no respectiver of size or engine config. I will employ you not to add vehicles used by gov security agencies, only (army, navy, NSCDC) trucks are taken good care of as for police and road safety, their trucks won't pass for a salvaged vehicle.

There are equally common on naija roads now ford ranger 2011-present and the mitsubishi L200

Pls people... Nissan xtera 2007 and toyota highlander 2003. Pls which would you go for... Want to make the commitment this week. pls advise!

Its a mattar of choice.
If it isn't German,English or italian,it isn't for me.
Toyota screams "classless",its souless,no passion,no comfort.
Get your hands on a mercedez benz,audi or bmw to start with,you will know what a car is.

Dcmg:
Its a mattar of choice.
If it isn't German,English or italian,it isn't for me.
Toyota screams "classless",its souless,no passion,no comfort.
Get your hands on a mercedez benz,audi or bmw to start with,you will know what a car is.

Your orientation about toyota is biased and screams hatred. Luxurious toyota a badged as lexus so if u want more luxury in your toyota, buy a lexus

nurey:


Your orientation about toyota is biased and screams hatred. Luxurious toyota a badged as lexus so if u want more luxury in your toyota, buy a lexus

Hatred?No.Not my taste?Yes.Lexus?is it english,german or italian?No.My taste?Sure not

abatically:


Bros, that u can get s tiny light for $800 doesn't mean u will always get it st that price. That deal comes once in a while, and if dealers are waiting for that opportunity then there won't be enough tiny light to meet the demand. Go to the port and see how many tiny light they clear in a day, then tell me dealers wait for once in a while deals to make their bid. U are not guaranteed of getting a clean tiny light for $800, unless u are buying severely salvaged and some salvaged even cost up to $1,200.

They are always there are lower prices, they don't come once in a while bro.

tivta:
. Toyota is the world's number one car brand and highest seller. Google it before you mislead people.

Best selling car by quantity or quality ?

drlawizle:


Really? Shipping of $950? Is shipping dat cheap?

Yea shipping is that cheap, RORO.