The danger is not in any God punishing you because you don't believe in Him, He is too emotionally balanced

johnydon22:


and if you read my post i said there are no proof,
which means all i need is just a tangible proof
and i will know...
So you that have no proof but still is convinced are you not the one that is
becoming dogmatic?

justlove91:

The danger is not in believing in God but in the belief that there is no life after death which completely blocks sensing with the spirit.

johnydon22:


And whats ur proof for believing in life after death?

Ask urself assuming their is life after death in what extension will you exist,
in this planet earth our extension is the human body, we have form.
eyes, nose, mouth tongue, hands, feet, brain, lungs and all this are possible
because we have flesh then if their is a conscious soul that exists after
death in what state? in what form or extension will it exist since we all know
all the things i mentioned above are all human traits.??

MizMyColi:


Well in that case, I reckon that there is twice as much we don't know than we do know.
For things I can neither prove to self nor others, I keep an open mind.

Last I checked, impossibility is still Nothing.

onetrack:


Stopped reading right there.

justlove91:

This is where atheists err, they want to understand God using the intellect. The intellect can only know of that is material, it is a product of the brain with is physical thus can only know what is physical. But God is of a different constituent entirely, it will always remain a mystery for the intellect.
God's existence can only be sensed by the spirit and your belief that nothing spiritual exist blocked your spirit senses. And this is where we're different, with my belief in spirit then my senses are not hindered to sense and this is while I always advice to have at least a thought of what if spirit exist, this simple thought can still make you sense to some degree because you're not completely closing yourself up to the possibility.
You're looking for evidence of the existence of God which your intellect can understand is a futile journey and can never be realized.
Once again I advice harbour the possibility of the existence of spirits then you can start sensing.

justlove91:

So when you hear the word spirit what comes to your mind is something not substantial, something just floating around with no form and shape? Spirits are VERY much substantial, they have form, you can hold them, they have weight. So I answered your question already, we exist after death in spirit body which is very substantial just like your physical body is right now to the exist that some people don't even realised they are dead because is just as substantial as your physical body is right now.

johnydon22:

Lolzzz and now take a look at this? The human brain is responsible for our perception and this your belief in spirit is still a product of your brain (Imagination )

You agree they are no evidences or proof for spirits or afterlife yet you are convinced that they exist, are you not kidding your own intellect?

Am still laughing at the notion that one cannot comprehend the spiritual using only human intellect but you are still trying to give me a concept of the spiritual even tho you are yet a human. I wonder how you do it (spiritual brain that controls ur spiritual intellect?) hehehehe am sure you know.you dont have that.

Why should you ask me to blindly believe what their are no proof what so ever? I think you should first get your facts straight..

johnydon22:


What are you evidences for believing in yahweh then?

justlove91:

You're quick to say there is no afterlife, when there are proves it exist. For a start read about near death accounts

Tallesty1:
Everything around me proves that there is a master planner

MizMyColi:
Op.
What if I don't believe in Sky god. Am I an atheist? I believe in the life giving spirit within.
Am I in danger too?

malvisguy212:
you choose to rebel against God, you are risking your eternity.

A Creator God, if He exists, must,
by definition, exist beyond the limits of
the universe in order to have created it.
The laws of physics tell us that we cannot make measurements beyond the limits of this universe. Therefore, scientists can conclusively determine that we cannot ever detect God using any of our instruments.

malvisguy212:

Christians are far more likely than
atheists to be part of groups that work
hard to instill values about being good to other people, and having good
relationships. The teachings of the Bible
emphasize values such as honesty, love,
forgiveness, patience, and generosity.
Many of these values are not emphasized in social circles dominated
by atheists.

johnydon22:
Then how did you get convinced about this your own God (yahweh) from a book?

Christians are far more likely than
atheists to be part of groups that work
hard to instill values about being good to other people, and having good
relationships. The teachings of the Bible
emphasize values such as honesty, love,
forgiveness, patience, and generosity.
Many of these values are not emphasized in social circles dominated
by atheists.

2billion christians, 1.8billion muslims, 800million hindus.. mmmmhmmm with the world now? y'all are doing one hell of a job

malvisguy212:
the post indicate christians and atheists. There are many reason to believe in God, there things only God could have known in does days, it take scientists long time to discovered it.

Job 38:24 By what way is the light
parted, which scattereth the east wind
upon the earth
?
In the book of Job, Job is asked by a
person calling himself God, a list of
questions intended to show him how
small Job really was in comparison with
the universe around him. This particular
question demands of Job how the light
was parted (by day into night) and how
that light makes the east wind blow.

Now we, today, can answer that question. Job could not. The light causes
the east wind to blow because the dawn
heats the air that has been cooled all
night. As the air cooled, it had contracted until it basically reached an equilibrium.

Then when dawn creeps towards the
horizon it begins to heat the air nearby,
and as this air is heated it expands,
causing a higher pressure than the still-
cool air of the night, which makes the
east wind “blow”.
We know this! God knew this! But NO
ONE ELSE COULD HAVE KNOWN THAT
LIGHT CAUSES WIND! No one in the
entire planet suspected a connection
between light and wind UNTIL around 500 years ago! Until then no one really had the faintest clue how light really worked! Only God could have INSPIRED that section of Job, probably written thirty- five CENTURIES ago!!

johnydon22:


Near death accounts you say?

Hallucinations is your proof?

why not give me real death accounts and not near...

btw near death doesnt mean dead..

johnydon22:


And the same excuss proves to the muslims that their is a master planner which is allah, it proves to the egyptians that their is a master planner osiris, it can prove to me that a master planner is a pink unicorn..... So how is your own the right one?

Btw so all the earth quakes, tsunamis, tonadoes, volcanoes, ebola, famine and all the natural disasters are all product of this master planner.. yes?

Tallesty1:
Where and when did I say that my own is the right one?

johnydon22:


Hahahahahahahahahaha and this sums it all up... Am done with you..

This is still the same you that said that the spirit cannot be perceived with human intellect and then here you utter this @bolded

If spirits have form, and have weight then its matter and the last i checked it only takes the human intellect to perceive matter...(why is it we still cannot boast of any evidence for something that substantial.... hmmmm i wonder)

So sir... Go get your facts straight and stop the contradictions..

Here ends our discussion bro..

johnydon22:


You believe yahweh therefore you think its the right one..

Anyway am sorry if you do not think yahweh is the right one tho, if that is the case, then forgive my assertion..

justlove91:

Hallucination!!!
When a person in near death experience tells of what he observed out of the body and later confirmed to be so, you call that hallucination and I haven't heard of any hallucination which can be confirmed in reality.
You will remember I said "let first start with near death accounts" this means their is actual account of death experience..Have you ever heard of mediums?

Tallesty1:
You are an Atheist right?

johnydon22:


Now check out this desperate attempt to prove a point...

Near deaths are still under study and is said to be a mental awareness or psychological illusion of such patients due to the impending death.

Near death still doesnt mean dead... thats just it..

Now about mediums, have you seen/visited one before?

justlove91:

You just showed your complete ignorance and still laughing at it!!!
If you read my posts right you will realize I keep say "spirit body senses" just as your physical body as it senses to be cognizant of it environment so does your spirit body has it own senses to experience it environment. You can not use the senses of your physical body to sense spiritual things, spirit body senses are used. Do you expect to see a spirit with your eyes? You're so ridiculous, people whose spirit eyes are open sees spirit things and are very substantial, so stop laughing at your ignorance

justlove91:

Prove? am not trying to prove anything here, just stating my views.
Haven't you heard of near death experiences that tells about what surgeons and even relatives are doing during which is perfectly correct?
I haven't seen(in real life) or visited any medium before.

johnydon22:


Yeap... so now can you address my above post?

Tallesty1:
Maybe......


On the condition that you will stop assuming that I am like the other Christians you know.

Back to what you said about Jehovah being the right God. I have practiced other religions and they all teach that there is a supreme God. Even some Atheists belief so.


BTW, the reason I am replying you is that Christians and Some Atheists have something in common. *Faith*

johnydon22:


@bolded those are agnostics not atheists... learn the difference..

Still your post doesn't seem to iron out how you got to know Yahweh is the right God but i guess i should fashi that...

ok am curious to see where the faith comes in atheism tho

Tallesty1:

@Emboldened. I will tell you but first, how did the earth come into existence?

johnydon22:


I still find it funny... Spirit senses? seriously?
Spirit senses in a human... Ok when that your spirit sense, sense a spirit or should i say perceives a spirit how then do you get to know since we know we humans only get to know things as a result of our brains... their nothing we know now that is independent of our brain (intellect) If it has nothing to do with brain then it has nothing to do with humans which means humans cant comprahend it.

I still remember you describing spirits as something that has form and weight (matter) please sir why do we need a spirit sense (whatever that shiit means) to perceive matter?

Am wondering if ignorance have another name...

justlove91:
You're.missing the definition of what human is, human is a spirit in a physical body, man is not the body it is only using the physical body to experience the physical matter.
By the explanation above am sure you will now understand that man don't need spirit senses to perceive physical things that is the work of the physical senses if the spirit senses can perceive perfectly the physical things then he doesn't need the physical body in the first place, I only said we use SPIRIT SENSES TO PERCEIVE SPIRITUAL THINGS, this is what I keep saying yet you keep missing it.