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Re: Black Guys In Brazil by TV01(m): 11:00pm On Mar 20, 2015
crackhaus:
No matter how hard they try to scream equality, women will always gravitate towards men that can lord over them financially and sexually.
Whatever their ideological position - it's hard wired cheesy Men are not their problem, mother nature is. She wired women to want patriarchy cool

crackhaus:
Only the true devoted feminists who are so very few in number know exactly what they stand for, not the increasing number of clowns masquerading as feminists that want to be seen as strong and independent but at the same time, want to be offered treats, gifts, and treated like queens by men just to remind themselves how special they are as women. . .
It's a joke really.
Funnily enough, it could kinda work. They'd have to socialise men to believe that treating women as equals was best. But the women would still desire Alphas or even Thugs over their Beta husbands. They then either divorce or cheat or perhaps further socialise them to accept open marriages. http://nypost.com/2015/03/16/i-bedded-12-strangers-in-a-year-with-my-husbands-permission/

crackhaus:
Lmao. . . Thing is, it's women themselves who are mostly responsible for slut shaming and 'virgin shaming' other women This specie just don't know how to get along, with themselves and with men. grin
I've said it repeatedly, feminism or not, women are the one who mostly shame other women about;

1. Being sluts
2. Being single mums
3. Being single
4. Being old or ageing
5. Not having children
6. Their looks or lack of
7. Their wardrobes or lack of
8. They hate reporting to other women corporately, or supporting them - prefer to report to male bosses

They need men and they need men to run things. Left alone they'd seriously hurt each other and nothing would get done. I'm sure I mentioned the thesis I read about women being incapable of creating civilisations.

Hard gym session. Make I knack chicken and salad jor.


TV
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by crackhaus: 11:26pm On Mar 20, 2015
TV01:

Whatever their ideological position - it's hard wired cheesy Men are not their problem, mother nature is. She wired women to want patriarchy cool
Mother nature indeed, I've always known that there are some women who don't just like the fact that they were born women cheesy


Funnily enough, it could kinda work. They'd have to socialise men to believe that treating women as equals was best. But the women would still desire Alphas or even Thugs over their Beta husbands. They then either divorce or cheat or perhaps further socialise them to accept open marriages. http://nypost.com/2015/03/16/i-bedded-12-strangers-in-a-year-with-my-husbands-permission/
Treating them as equals is not even a problem, the problem is are they ready to practise what true equality really entails - many men have just about had enough of the talking from both sides of their mouths.

Beyonce even after all her strong independent feminist woman mantra, still ended up marrying one of the most sexist and chauvinistic rappers alive because at the end of the day, he is a boss - the over $500m asset-worth kind of boss, Lol...
She's one of the feminist-masquerading clowns BTW. grin

The one who bedded strangers with her husband's permission doesn't realize how sad her life is. . .yet! cheesy

I've said it repeatedly, feminism or not, women are the one who mostly shame other women about
1. Being sluts
2. Being single mums
3. Being single
4. Being old or ageing
5. Not having children
6. Their looks or lack of
7. Their wardrobes or lack of
8. They hate reporting to other women corporately, or supporting them - prefer to report to male bosses

They need men and they need men to run things. Left alone they'd seriously hurt each other and nothing would get done. I'm sure I mentioned the thesis I read about women being incapable of creating civilisations.

Hard gym session. Make I knack chicken and salad jor.


TV
I need not add to this, succinctly put.

You need the chicken and salad man, enjoy...

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Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Idowuogbo(f): 11:31pm On Mar 20, 2015
coogar:
very interesting video & hilarious comments concerning the video.

this particular one had me in stitches. grin
Jehovaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!! CoOgar confess oo.... you and this fellow are related ba? Shyte! Y'all can wake the dead with ya bars mehn...shyte! RotflMao!

Hi op!!! smiley
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 11:35pm On Mar 20, 2015
crackhaus: I assure you, Beyonce is not a feminist:

From the Destinys Child song "Bills Bills Bills":
Can you pay my bills
Can you pay my telephone bills
Can you pay my automo-bills
I don't think you do
So, you and me are through

Doesn't sound like feminism to me at all, or is it the call to desperation on "Single Ladies" where she enjoins women to not waste their time dating. Someone who isn't ready to tie the knot? Beyonce is a fraud, not a feminist. Feminism is her job, not her lifestyle. wink
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by coogar: 11:39pm On Mar 20, 2015
Idowuogbo:

Jehovaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!! CoOgar confess oo.... you and this fellow are related ba? Shyte! Y'all can wake the dead with ya bars mehn...shyte! RotflMao!

Hi op!!! smiley

i dunno him o.
biko, he's on his own. even my words aren't that harsh. if his akata females lay their hands on him, he would regret the day he was born.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 11:39pm On Mar 20, 2015
TV01:


They need men and they need men to run things. Left alone they'd seriously hurt each other and nothing would get done. I'm sure I mentioned the thesis I read about women being incapable of creating civilisations.


TV
This paragraph is so damn true. Read a story on dailymail about a feminist who wanted to prove that women could do just as good as men and so she resigned from her workplace in the Us and established her own outfit(all women btw) in London and it was a disaster. Let me try scour for it.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 11:43pm On Mar 20, 2015
Timbuktou:
This paragraph is so damn true. Read a story on dailymail about a feminist who wanted to prove that women could do just as good as men and so she resigned from her workplace in the Us and established her own outfit(all women btw) in London and it was a disaster. Let me try scour for it.

Ouch! My brain hurts from how illogical this is.

TV01:

Nor mind feminists. Where is Shollypopz? Slut shaming is anti-feminist. Women should never be called out for, or asked to justify how and what they use their bodies for. In fact feminsits are now "virgin shaming" - i.e. trying to justify or exorcise their slutty pasts.

Feminists condone and support virgin-shaming?? How?

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Re: Black Guys In Brazil by crackhaus: 11:46pm On Mar 20, 2015
Timbuktou:
crackhaus: I assure you, Beyonce is not a feminist:

From the Destinys Child song "Bills Bills Bills":
Can you pay my bills
Can you pay my telephone bills
Can you pay my automo-bills
I don't think you do
So, you and me are through

Doesn't sound like feminism to me at all, or is it the call to desperation on "Single Ladies" where she enjoins women to not waste their time dating. Someone who isn't ready to tie the knot? Beyonce is a fraud, not a feminist. Feminism is her job, not her lifestyle. wink
She's a world-class stage clown, any man and even woman with half a brain should see through all her bullshiit.

And to prove this, as at the time that song was released by destiny's child, feminism wasn't seen as cool. . .which means she only became a feminist when it became cool to be viewed as one, just like all the NL pseudo-feminists.
Ask our NL pseudos what they were doing in the year 1999, I'm sure they didn't even know there was a word like feminism cheesy
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 11:49pm On Mar 20, 2015
crackhaus:

She's a world-class stage clown, any man and even woman with half a brain should see through all her bullshiit.

And to prove this, as at the time that song was released by destiny's child, feminism wasn't seen as cool. . .which means she only became a feminist when it became cool to be viewed as one, just like all the NL pseudo-feminists.
Ask them what they were doing in the year 1999, I'm sure they didn't even know that there was a word like feminism cheesy

Feminism is still not considered cool. BTW, why are you worried about who is a real or fake feminist? Shouldn't you be wasting your energy hating us all.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by crackhaus: 12:00am On Mar 21, 2015
Shollypopzz:


Feminism is still not considered cool. BTW, why are you worried about who is a real or fake feminist? Shouldn't you be wasting your energy hating us all.
Back to topic:

What do you think should be done regarding the situation where black American men are now looking to other races and nationalities of women just so they can maintain their sanity?
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by TV01(m): 12:04am On Mar 21, 2015
Timbuktou:
This paragraph is so damn true. Read a story on dailymail about a feminist who wanted to prove that women could do just as good as men and so she resigned from her workplace in the Us and established her own outfit(all women btw) in London and it was a disaster. Let me try scour for it.
Dude, ther's a classic out there on the net - if you can find it and speak Dutch.

There was a "survivor" type program. So they though of a twist two sets of 8 males and 8 females dropped on different islands. The idea was initially to prove a feminist point. In summary here's what happened;

Men landed on island, quickly identified requirements individual skillsets and got to work. Differences were quickly ironed out and focus was always maintained. Within a week they had shelter, water sourced and fishing/hunting parties on rote.

Women landed on island...bickered...a week later they are still bickering - and have formed factions grin. Nothing "civilising" has happened. Food supplies have run low...more bickering.

Producers plan to make a 2 for 2 swap or else this production is doomed cheesy! Women literally fight for the righ to join the men. The 2 men join the women. Can't believe the utter shambles. They make like men...the women respond accordingly grin!

It's worth searching for and reading the English commentary


TV
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by TV01(m): 12:12am On Mar 21, 2015
crackhaus:
What do you think should be done regarding the situation where black American men are now looking to other races and nationalities of women just so they can maintain their sanity?
Nothing. It's a market, if black women desire black men and can't get them, they will adjust accordingly. If the black men aren't worth adjusting for, the women are free to look elsewhere - just like the men are.

It's happens a lot in the UK. Over 50/% of black men are with non-black - mostly white - women. The women either go non-black, remain single or share. Dare I say not that many go non-black lipsrsealed! Not least because 1. they are not as coveted by other races as their men are 2. most don't really want to.


TV
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 12:21am On Mar 21, 2015
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 12:26am On Mar 21, 2015
TV01:

Dude, ther's a classic out there on the net - if you can find it and speak Dutch.

There was a "survivor" type program. So they though of a twist two sets of 8 males and 8 females dropped on different islands. The idea was initially to prove a feminist point. In summary here's what happened;

Men landed on island, quickly identified requirements individual skillsets and got to work. Differences were quickly ironed out and focus was always maintained. Within a week they had shelter, water sourced and fishing/hunting parties on rote.

Women landed on island...bickered...a week later they are still bickering - and have formed factions grin. Nothing "civilising" has happened. Food supplies have run low...more bickering.

Producers plan to make a 2 for 2 swap or else this production is doomed cheesy! Women literally fight for the righ to join the men. The 2 men join the women. Can't believe the utter shambles. They make like men...the women respond accordingly grin!

It's worth searching for and reading the English commentary


TV
Found it: Expidite Robinson. Don't speak Dutch unfortunately. Got a mini transcript somewhere, though. Confirming the truth is all.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 12:51am On Mar 21, 2015
crackhaus:

Back to topic:

What do you think should be done regarding the situation where black American men are now looking to other races and nationalities of women just so they can maintain their sanity?

I wrote a long a*ss post but I deleted it........
I'm not sure I feel like addressing issues in the African American community, it's energy draining. Plus, majority of you, if not all of you are addressing a topic while neglecting major factors. The video is not for Nairaland's audience.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by TV01(m): 1:04am On Mar 21, 2015
Timbuktou:
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
Bickering - check
Factions - check
Greed & materialism - check
Gossip & Back-biting - check
Extreme bitchiness - check
Unsubmissiveness - check
Pull Her Down Syndrome - check
No work done - check
Little accomplished - check
Shoulda hired a man to straighten things out - double check

Absolutely nothing unexpected here grin!


TV
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by freecocoa(f): 1:07am On Mar 21, 2015
crackhaus:

Okay, just like single women dating married men for financial benefits is also a business transaction and not a relationship. . . do you agree?

I think it's the semantics that's throwing you off-balance. . .the thing is, whether it's temporary or a business transaction, two people are benefitting from each other.
That's still a symbiotic relationship and not different from what you call real relationship.


If they truly feel inferior and have complex issues, would they have started a relationship with a woman who earns more than they do in the first place?

So what do you think changed along the line? They suddenly started feeling inferior mid-way I guess.


I'm sorry, but what category are you going on about? grin

You are the one who called the Brazilian hotties who.res because in your own words, I don't see how it's possible that someone with a vision only cares about how more men should come so they can go clubbing and partying all through.

So I asked that if a woman loves to have fun and party, does that make her a who.re?
And consequently, since most young Nigerian women also love to party and have fun...going by your assertion, they could also be classified as who.res. - your words Freecocoa, not mine.
Ofcourse I agree, any single girl dating a married man should be seriously ashamed of herself.

Are you kidding me? How is that not different? In what I call a real relationship, both parties didn't enter it to exploit each other, their coming together is based on genuine affection and care towards one another.

Why won't they? They go into relationships with a chip on their shoulder, you know that feeling of "I am a man", when into the relationship, they realize, things aren't the way they expected or want it to be, then their complex issues rear it's ugly head.tongue

The category I'm talking about is "prostitutes" na, I'm disagreeing on the percentage of Nigerian ladies into prostitution.

A woman loving to party responsibly doesn't make her a wh0re but a woman who sees no big deal(they actually advertised it) in partying with every, tom, d1ck and harry from America is a certified wh0re.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by 2CatWoman: 1:31am On Mar 21, 2015
What has this got to do with Nigeria?

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Re: Black Guys In Brazil by freecocoa(f): 1:33am On Mar 21, 2015
Timbuktou:
I don't see how those girls are prosts from that video. They may be attracted to higher status men but it doesn't make them prosts; if they were, the girls back home should be rightly termed as such as well for the simple reason that these girls also seek higher status men which is why these guys in the first place can get some in the US and have to move all the way to Brazil to get some because of course, there are no sexx workers in the whole of North America grin. You're funny, Free.

Again, going by your logic, these BAW are also hustlers after all, we all heard them say only rich men are worthy of their time, abi youtube skip that one for your device? If that aint hustling, I don't know what is! So, you have it on good authority that these BRAW were living under Rios bridges befoere these dudes came and rescued their shelter-less arzses? It's funny, though, these dudes are spending more in the US than Brazil to get dates. Even if, and this is a big if, these BRAW are prosts, it's sound economics to go there to get laid, it's not like these fellows mint their own money.

Men do not have a desire to marry up, it is a shame for a man to marry up. It is a thing of pride for a woman to marry up, that would be a fulfilment of her lifelong desire. You could certainly tell form the video that these women would gladly marry a Dangote, would the men in there scout for an Alakija? Just because you can fit a corpse into a freezer doesn't mean it's a coffin. wink

Free, how do you explain that dating in the US is more expensive than prost shagging in Brazil.
I honestly don't know how you can equate one woman stating what she needs from a man she hopes to date or is dating, to women who are ever ready to satisfy as many men as possible who seek their face? It's not just about being with sexx workers, even amongst prostitutes, men have preferences and the need to be in a different location for vacation is a reason why they go to Rio too, it's not as if the women is the only reason they go there, so what are you not saying?

You still don't get it, wanting a rich man, as a partner for whatever reasons, is not the same as sleeping with different rich men.

If you are being honest, you won't be arguing about these men dating the brazilian chicks, they are not dating them, they only go there to cool off, after which they go back to obodo America, who talks about their date serving them drinks at the pub and making sure the straw is well placed? Abi do you go on a date with your waitress girlfriend while she's still at work?

Yes, those men will scout for an Alakija, being with a wealthier woman is not the problem, the problem according to them, is that these women don't respect them.

Do you expect prost shagging to cost the same as dating? Are you for real?
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by freecocoa(f): 1:43am On Mar 21, 2015
Must you people bring feminism into everything?

Does calling a prostitute what she really is equal slut shaming? Prostitution is actually legal in some places so I don't see what the issue is.

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Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 2:13am On Mar 21, 2015
freecocoa:
I honestly don't know how you can equate one woman stating what she needs from a man she hopes to date or is dating, to women who are ever ready to satisfy as many men as possible who seek their face? It's not just about being with sexx workers, even amongst prostitutes, men have preferences and the need to be in a different location for vacation is a reason why they go to Rio too, it's not as if the women is the only reason they go there, so what are you not saying?

You still don't get it, wanting a rich man, as a partner for whatever reasons, is not the same as sleeping with different rich men.

If you are being honest, you won't be arguing about these men dating the brazilian chicks, they are not dating them, they only go there to cool off, after which they go back to obodo America, who talks about their date serving them drinks at the pub and making sure the straw is well placed? Abi do you go on a date with your waitress girlfriend while she's still at work?

Yes, those men will scout for an Alakija, being with a wealthier woman is not the problem, the problem according to them, is that these women don't respect them.

Do you expect prost shagging to cost the same as dating? Are you for real?
You're conflating scenarios, I don't know if it's deliberate. I see a BRAW in the clip who says she more interested in "important things" like love. A BRAW says what's "important" to her is how much her man makes. Didn't the BRAW talk about settling down before it's too late, abi dat side no show for your lappy ni? Both sets of women have demands and these men are of the opinion that BAW's are unrealistic and can go fvck themselves. What's so hard to understand about that. By the way, aren't there men of other races in the US, how come no other race has any significant proportion interested in BAW. Face it they're the bottom of the barrel. You can choose to accept that or not.

Why want a rich man? Do these men require a woman to be rich before they can date her? And if these BAW require only rich men, how do you know they don't only sleep with rich men? Cocoa, you need vitamin A.

Cool off for nearly ten, twenty, thirty years? Free please. These niccurs have actually relocated to Brazil. Many of them have no plans of returning to the States. That's a helluva way to cool off, don't you think?

The part about having a well-placed straw alludes to the general pleasantness of these women. Free, I know you want to defend your sisters but really, these are the things men value in a woman, not how much she makes. We couldn't give two hoots how much money a woman makes, except the niccur is on a hustle. Women on the other hand, even when they earn crazy figures, are still looking for a high/higher earning male.

What are they scouting for her for? Ever heard a man say he wants to date a rich woman just because she's rich and her wealth could provide a 'safe future' for him? Babe, you can be truthful and honest in your argument. You might not like the truth, but the truth doesn't care about being liked, it just is.

I would assume that prost shagging(olosho, not ashewo) would be more expensive. By the way, why do you think dating should be expensive? Is something being bought to aid romance in America. Remember this quote from the clip: "back home in Amewrica, I gotta buy all that. I gotta your respect, I gotta buy your time. You can't take a sister out in America with nothing?" Abi dat one too no dey the clip wey you watch? IMO, this means not all their relations with BRAW are sexx-for-cash, if at all there's any payment for sexx
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Nobody: 2:14am On Mar 21, 2015
TV01:

Bickering - check
Factions - check
Greed & materialism - check
Gossip & Back-biting - check
Extreme bitchiness - check
Unsubmissiveness - check
Pull Her Down Syndrome - check
No work done - check
Little accomplished - check
Shoulda hired a man to straighten things out - double check

Absolutely nothing unexpected here grin!


TV
Yet the patriarchy is the problem! grin
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by SAMBARRY: 10:26am On Mar 21, 2015
coogar:


you need deliverance.
no wonder you don't have a voter's card. grin
your matter don taya me.o.ok, I get it. You are one of those boy boy for them politicians. That they will give you 2000 naira and one sachet of indomie to be doing boy boy for them, abi?


Like your counterparts

Here

Re: Black Guys In Brazil by crackhaus: 2:08pm On Mar 21, 2015
Shollypopzz:


I wrote a long a*ss post but I deleted it........
I'm not sure I feel like addressing issues in the African American community, it's energy draining. Plus, majority of you, if not all of you are addressing a topic while neglecting major factors. The video is not for Nairaland's audience.


State the major factors being neglected.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Abbott(m): 3:14pm On Mar 21, 2015
cococandy:
[b][/b]

Wow. Who are you?

Following

Hi Cococandy.

Thank you.

I'm Abbott.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by cococandy(f): 3:15pm On Mar 21, 2015
Abbott:


Hi Cococandy.

Thank you.

I'm Abbott.

Hi smiley
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Abbott(m): 3:23pm On Mar 21, 2015
cococandy:


Hi smiley

Hi. What is that black patch? #curious
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by cococandy(f): 3:25pm On Mar 21, 2015
Abbott:


Hi. What is that black patch? #curious
pore cleanser.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by freecocoa(f): 7:46pm On Mar 21, 2015
Timbuktou:

You're conflating scenarios, I don't know if it's deliberate. I see a BRAW in the clip who says she more interested in "important things" like love. A BRAW says what's "important" to her is how much her man makes. Didn't the BRAW talk about settling down before it's too late, abi dat side no show for your lappy ni? Both sets of women have demands and these men are of the opinion that BAW's are unrealistic and can go fvck themselves. What's so hard to understand about that. By the way, aren't there men of other races in the US, how come no other race has any significant proportion interested in BAW. Face it they're the bottom of the barrel. You can choose to accept that or not.

Why want a rich man? Do these men require a woman to be rich before they can date her? And if these BAW require only rich men, how do you know they don't only sleep with rich men? Cocoa, you need vitamin A.

Cool off for nearly ten, twenty, thirty years? Free please. These niccurs have actually relocated to Brazil. Many of them have no plans of returning to the States. That's a helluva way to cool off, don't you think?

The part about having a well-placed straw alludes to the general pleasantness of these women. Free, I know you want to defend your sisters but really, these are the things men value in a woman, not how much she makes. We couldn't give two hoots how much money a woman makes, except the niccur is on a hustle. Women on the other hand, even when they earn crazy figures, are still looking for a high/higher earning male.

What are they scouting for her for? Ever heard a man say he wants to date a rich woman just because she's rich and her wealth could provide a 'safe future' for him? Babe, you can be truthful and honest in your argument. You might not like the truth, but the truth doesn't care about being liked, it just is.

I would assume that prost shagging(olosho, not ashewo) would be more expensive. By the way, why do you think dating should be expensive? Is something being bought to aid romance in America. Remember this quote from the clip: "back home in Amewrica, I gotta buy all that. I gotta your respect, I gotta buy your time. You can't take a sister out in America with nothing?" Abi dat one too no dey the clip wey you watch? IMO, this means not all their relations with BRAW are sexx-for-cash, if at all there's any payment for sexx
Apparently you have it all figured out, I'm not AA anyways so I couldn't care less.cheesy
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Ewuro4: 10:16pm On Mar 21, 2015
Serious stuff...Still watching.

Why are Braz ladies called Prost

AA brothers want:
Love
Respect
nada attitude/ meaningless nags
Good food
Good sex
Maintaining good looks
Shikena

They want it ALL grin

AA sisters want just one thing ;
Security- Money in the bank to keep up with the Kardarshians grin

Case closed grin
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by coogar: 10:44pm On Mar 21, 2015
Ewuro4:
Serious stuff...Still watching.

Why are Braz ladies called Prost

AA brothers want:
Love
Respect
nada attitude/ meaningless nags
Good food
Good sex
Maintaining good looks
Shikena

They want it ALL grin

AA sisters want just one thing ;
Security- Money in the bank to keep up with the Kardarshians grin

Case closed grin

no wonder AA sisters are rotting on the shelves. they are massively disadvantaged - they are the least desirable on the totem pole coupled with the fact that many of their men are locked up. if you now add their attitudinal ish to the equation then it's not hard to see why many of them are single & rotting away.
Re: Black Guys In Brazil by Ewuro4: 11:00pm On Mar 21, 2015
coogar:


no wonder AA sisters are rotting on the shelves. they are massively disadvantaged - they are the least desirable on the totem pole coupled with the fact that many of their men are locked up. if you now add their attitudinal ish to the equation then it's not hard to see why many of them are single & rotting away.

Sadlly, this is Very True.

The same trend is fast approaching our woods too.. Our sisters wants to marry up @ all cost and the modern confusion called Feminism is not helping them neither. They should at least understand the cause before following it.

You saw the lady that said she wouldn't settle for a man's earning less than $75k/annum if she's racking 6figures annually ? undecided

Another point is, all these 'difficult' pleasers are very easy to accomplish. What you give is what you'll get from any responsible man. Men thrive on Respect esp from their wives. grin
But, If you talk too much now... They call you suffer head grin

Now I really want to visit Rio.

Very powerful documentary and truth pill to swallow... beg lemme finish it grin

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