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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:03am On Apr 28, 2019
bidexiii:


This is the best NA documentary I've watched so far and I must say am impressed.

Love the officer who took the briefing on the 2 types of ground surveillance radar system; he was articulate and vibrant.
Also kudos to the men of NA engineers under major Gen VO Ezeugwu has the head of the team his doing a great job. Guys I think everyone should watch these video.
I agree, I had no clue that the scope of NAVMC was this large, NA is not joking about self sufficiency in APC and IFV, they even plan to refurbish over 600 armored cars and old IFV with new certified engines, drive trains and 20-30mm auto cannons.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:43am On Apr 28, 2019
jakeporeshenko:

I agree, I had no clue that the scope of NAVMC was this large, NA is not joking about self sufficiency in APC and IFV, they even plan to refurbish over 600 armored cars and old IFV with new certified engines, drive trains and 20-30mm auto cannons.

I tell you mate. by the next NA celebration day or Incoming COAS conference we hope to see most of these work been accomplished.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:03am On Apr 28, 2019
bidexiii:


I tell you mate. by the next NA celebration day or Incoming COAS conference we hope to see most of these work been accomplished.


Video removed by utube , any other video source ?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 8:14am On Apr 28, 2019
nemesis8u:


Video removed by utube , any other video source ?

Got the link , it seems the system's were inducted long time back. 2006 onwards. Should be present in large nos by now.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:15am On Apr 28, 2019
nemesis8u:


Got the link , it seems the system's were inducted long time back. 2006 onwards. Should be present in large nos by now.

@nemesis8u have you watched the video, please can you I.D the 1st ground radar surveillance that was first
discussed by the officer
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:18am On Apr 28, 2019
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:19am On Apr 28, 2019
bidexiii:


@nemesis8u have you watched the video, please can you I.D the 1st ground radar surveillance that was first
discussed by the officer

The one with the 2 man backpack ?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:26am On Apr 28, 2019
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:30am On Apr 28, 2019
nemesis8u:


The one with the 2 man backpack ?

Nop that's the GO--12 ground radar survellance, am talking about the one painted in green color that's weighs 180kg..?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:40am On Apr 28, 2019
bidexiii:


Nop that's the GO--12 ground radar survellance, am talking about the one painted in green color that's weighs 180kg..?

Hensoldt spexer 2000, it’s actually for border surveillance no wonder the army found it very unsuitable.

https://www.hensoldt.net/fileadmin/hensoldt/Solutions/Land/Surveillance_Reconnaissance/0813_17_Spexer2000_datasheet_E_intranet.pdf

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:43am On Apr 28, 2019
jakeporeshenko:

Hensoldt spexer 2000, it’s actually for border surveillance no wonder the army found it very unsuitable.

https://www.hensoldt.net/fileadmin/hensoldt/Solutions/Land/Surveillance_Reconnaissance/0813_17_Spexer2000_datasheet_E_intranet.pdf



Tnx man,, never knew the army operated such hardware. Thanks for documentary like these.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SuperSixSeven: 11:58am On Apr 28, 2019
Seems like industry driven projects like ProForce Thunder last seen in an advance stage of development are abandoned. Any reason for that?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:47pm On Apr 28, 2019
SuperSixSeven:

Seems like industry driven projects like ProForce Thunder last seen in an advance stage of development are abandoned. Any reason for that?

That will be very disappointing, I can’t think of many countries were the army manufactures it’s own equipment, even government organizations like DARPA and DRDO are responsible for development, regulation and research, the actual contracts to manufacture vehicles/kits should go to private companies.

Even the concept of DICON is difficult to run in a country like Nigeria, state owned companies generally don’t do well in Nigeria unless a serious private investor owns significant shares like in the case of NLNG.

NAVMC should work hand in hard with proforce to further develop already existing platforms to NA specifications rather than starting all over again, it’s a waste of time and effort.

However one advantage is that Proforce will be forced to compete on a regional and then global scale rather then focusing on the Nigerian army.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:15pm On Apr 28, 2019
SuperSixSeven:

Seems like industry driven projects like ProForce Thunder last seen in an advance stage of development are abandoned. Any reason for that?

You probably started following Defence related news in Nigeria this year.

I can't really phantom how you came to the above conclusion.

How can a private driven project be abandoned when the company has an order for 50 vehicles from 2018?

The fact that @jakeporeshenko who's supposed to be informed is even parroting the idea is most unfortunate.



Nigeria's Proforce Limited is preparing to launch the 2019 version of its PF Ara 2 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle as it expands into the naval and unmanned aerial vehicle markets while increasing local content in its vehicles.

The Ara 2 (meaning Thunder) is a 4x4 Armoured Personnel Carrier, with thirty presently being produced for the Nigerian Army. Foreign countries have requested for another twenty, according to Raymond Asare-Sintim, Business Development Executive at Proforce.

The PF Ara 2 is a monocoque vehicle built to STANAG level 4569 protection standards with double skin protection of Level 3A and 3B, and an underbelly of 4A and 4B. This protection level ensures an underbelly with a V-shaped hull design that can withstand a 100 kg mine. The higher ground clearance of 442mm and the central tyre inflation system enhances the vehicle's off-road capabilities and can take this vehicle to urban, mountainous and challenging rural terrains, Proforce said.

With the capacity to carry up to 12 personnel plus equipment, the PF Ara 2 can be configured into multiple MRAP variants for a wide range of missions including recovery, command and control, ambulance, field kitchen and reconnaissance.

The Ara 2 has a length of 7.1 metres and height of 3.3 m, and gross weight of 15 tons. A 12.7 mm machinegun can be mounted on a 360 degree roof turret which can be open or fully enclosed. Optional equipment includes slat armour, gun ports and grenade launchers as well as reactive armour, according to Proforce.

Proforce builds armoured personnel carriers (APCs), MRAPs, patrol boats, hard armour plates, and ballistic helmet and vests. The company is diversifying into new areas of the defence industry. These include manufacturing of communication devices in collaboration with technical partners from Pakistan and manufacturing of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in collaboration with a company from South Korea.

Proforce believes Nigeria is fast becoming the defence manufacturing hub for Africa. This is only possible due to the encouragement and total commitment of the Nigerian government. Sintim told defenceWeb that there has been huge expansion in Proforce, which aims to dominate the African market in the next few years.

In line with its localisation strategy, Proforce has embarked on a backward integration strategy to produce its own ballistic steel and ballistic glass for its vehicles. This will enable the company to achieve 70% local content on its vehicles.

Proforce was established in 2008, specializing in the manufacturing of armoured vehicles and personal protection. The company manufactures armoured tactical vehicles (ATV), armoured personnel carriers, ballistic helmets and vests, armoured cash-in-transit, armoured private and commercial passenger vehicles.

One of Proforce's most prominent products is the PF1 armoured personnel carrier (APC), which has been upgraded to the PF2 with enhanced protection to B7 level and all-terrain tyres which improve ground clearance. Proforce has achieved exports of its APCs to Rwanda, the Central African Republic and South Sudan. These vehicles have been deployed with United Nations' missions.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:20pm On Apr 28, 2019
Henry240:


You probably started following Defence related news in Nigeria this year.

I can't really phantom how you came to the above conclusion.

How can a private driven project be abandoned when the company has an order for 50 vehicles from 2018?

The fact that @jakeporeshenko who's supposed to be informed is even parroting the idea is most unfortunate.



Nigeria's Proforce Limited is preparing to launch the 2019 version of its PF Ara 2 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle as it expands into the naval and unmanned aerial vehicle markets while increasing local content in its vehicles.

The Ara 2 (meaning Thunder) is a 4x4 Armoured Personnel Carrier, with thirty presently being produced for the Nigerian Army. Foreign countries have requested for another twenty, according to Raymond Asare-Sintim, Business Development Executive at Proforce.

The PF Ara 2 is a monocoque vehicle built to STANAG level 4569 protection standards with double skin protection of Level 3A and 3B, and an underbelly of 4A and 4B. This protection level ensures an underbelly with a V-shaped hull design that can withstand a 100 kg mine. The higher ground clearance of 442mm and the central tyre inflation system enhances the vehicle's off-road capabilities and can take this vehicle to urban, mountainous and challenging rural terrains, Proforce said.

With the capacity to carry up to 12 personnel plus equipment, the PF Ara 2 can be configured into multiple MRAP variants for a wide range of missions including recovery, command and control, ambulance, field kitchen and reconnaissance.

The Ara 2 has a length of 7.1 metres and height of 3.3 m, and gross weight of 15 tons. A 12.7 mm machinegun can be mounted on a 360 degree roof turret which can be open or fully enclosed. Optional equipment includes slat armour, gun ports and grenade launchers as well as reactive armour, according to Proforce.

Proforce builds armoured personnel carriers (APCs), MRAPs, patrol boats, hard armour plates, and ballistic helmet and vests. The company is diversifying into new areas of the defence industry. These include manufacturing of communication devices in collaboration with technical partners from Pakistan and manufacturing of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in collaboration with a company from South Korea.

Proforce believes Nigeria is fast becoming the defence manufacturing hub for Africa. This is only possible due to the encouragement and total commitment of the Nigerian government. Sintim told defenceWeb that there has been huge expansion in Proforce, which aims to dominate the African market in the next few years.

In line with its localisation strategy, Proforce has embarked on a backward integration strategy to produce its own ballistic steel and ballistic glass for its vehicles. This will enable the company to achieve 70% local content on its vehicles.

Proforce was established in 2008, specializing in the manufacturing of armoured vehicles and personal protection. The company manufactures armoured tactical vehicles (ATV), armoured personnel carriers, ballistic helmets and vests, armoured cash-in-transit, armoured private and commercial passenger vehicles.

One of Proforce's most prominent products is the PF1 armoured personnel carrier (APC), which has been upgraded to the PF2 with enhanced protection to B7 level and all-terrain tyres which improve ground clearance. Proforce has achieved exports of its APCs to Rwanda, the Central African Republic and South Sudan. These vehicles have been deployed with United Nations' missions.
welcome back bro, I don't think you read my last statement.
"However, one advantage is that Proforce will be forced to compete on a regional and then global scale rather then focusing on the Nigerian army."
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by joshingjosh(m): 3:21pm On Apr 28, 2019
jakeporeshenko:


That will be very disappointing, I can’t think of many countries were the army manufactures it’s own equipment, even government organizations like DARPA and DRDO are responsible for development, regulation and research, the actual contracts to manufacture vehicles/kits should go to private companies.

Even the concept of DICON is difficult to run in a country like Nigeria, state owned companies generally don’t do well in Nigeria unless a serious private investor owns significant shares like in the case of NLNG.

NAVMC should work hand in hard with proforce to further develop already existing platforms to NA specifications rather than starting all over again, it’s a waste of time and effort.


However one advantage is that Proforce will be forced to compete on a regional and then global scale rather then focusing on the Nigerian army.

This was exactly what I was telling someone...How will NA start manufacturing it's own vehicle when we already have indigenous companies like Proforce and Innoson already in existence sad..
The money that is budgeted for this NAVMC would have been better used when given to Proforce to improve or make more of the ARA..This will in turn increase the level of production...And also give NA More Time to work on their strategies and trainings

But #ThisisNigeria smiley smiley

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Tobiloba2407: 4:18pm On Apr 28, 2019
joshingjosh:


This was exactly what I was telling someone...How will NA start manufacturing it's own vehicle when we already have indigenous companies like Proforce and Innoson already in existence sad..
The money that is budgeted for this NAVMC would have been better used when given to Proforce to improve or make more of the ARA..This will in turn increase the level of production...And also give NA More Time to work on their strategies and trainings

But #ThisisNigeria smiley smiley


I heard someone mentioning that they intend to install both manual and remote weapon systems, who will sell proforce RCWS? But with diplomacy im sure the army can get them to buy, also proforce might not be able to get access to the more advanced armour, lighter but more effective amour, also there will be technical know hows over the years based on learning curves that the army and specialists techies in military vehicles might know that jack of all trade proforce might not know.....

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SuperSixSeven: 4:42pm On Apr 28, 2019
Henry240:


I can't really phantom how you came to the above conclusion.

How can a private driven project be abandoned when the company has an order for 50 vehicles from 2018?


In know about that 2018 order but i havent spotted any ProForce vehicles at the recent event. Thats why i was asking about the status.


joshingjosh:


This was exactly what I was telling someone...How will NA start manufacturing it's own vehicle when we already have indigenous companies like Proforce and Innoson already in existence sad..

But #ThisisNigeria smiley smiley

Indeed and in my opinion NAVMC should (if at all) focus soley on Research and Development and hand the production to local companies. Nigeria doesnt need another competitor on a already thght market.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:11pm On Apr 28, 2019
SuperSixSeven:




Indeed and in my opinion NAVMC should (if at all) focus soley on Research and Development and hand the production to local companies. Nigeria doesnt need another competitor on a already thght market.
I don’t think the vision of Proforce is the Nigerian market, they have bigger (regional) fish to fry.

Don’t forget DICON also plans to manufacture military vehicles of its own grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Texman21: 7:07pm On Apr 28, 2019
afghan special forces this guys deserve accolades for not giving up

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:47pm On Apr 28, 2019

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 8:28pm On Apr 28, 2019
Texman21:
afghan special forces this guys deserve accolades for not giving up
But this doesn't relate to the thread na
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Texman21: 8:32pm On Apr 28, 2019
Odunayaw:
But this doesn't relate to the thread na
i know,sorry.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by QuietMynd: 8:36pm On Apr 28, 2019
Xbee007:
Photos from the Nigerian Air Force demonstration in Eagle Square, Abuja.

They've started packing up when I got there.

I only got shots of the MRAPs.
Everybody's spirit is just moving onioun
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by shadowprimezero: 9:11pm On Apr 28, 2019
Images from the documentary; You can see the AW-109 Power helos with their weapons load-out and also reactivation of the AW-101's seems to be in progress (the camo paint is an absolute disaster on those birds) cry

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 9:20pm On Apr 28, 2019
jakeporeshenko:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEwxHOwS2s&t=22s
NAF confirmed that production of it Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano has started.

They also showcased armed AW109 and Aw101 transferred from PAF

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 9:29pm On Apr 28, 2019
shadowprimezero:
Images from the documentary; You can see the AW-109 Power helos with their weapons load-out and also reactivation of the AW-101's seems to be in progress (the camo paint is an absolute disaster on those birds) cry

I like the Camo though. However, I have finally come to the realization that we have a small military, with a small defence budget.

We cannot be as large as Algeria or Morocco. Although Algeria is a very far stretch, more like Morocco.

The Chief of Air Staff is trying his absolute best to modernize the force, but without money as is evident, we simply cannot expect more.

The procurement of the CAS has been brilliant, he has fulfilled training, fixed, rotary , ground equipment requirement of the force. The numbers are to minuscule but there's really no sort of magic he can perform.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 9:35pm On Apr 28, 2019
shadowprimezero:
Images from the documentary; You can see the AW-109 Power helos with their weapons load-out and also reactivation of the AW-101's seems to be in progress (the camo paint is an absolute disaster on those birds) cry

I really don't like armed helicopters for the Air Force though. However, if we're buying armed helicopters, it should be purchased good numbers, 12 minimum.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by shadowprimezero: 10:31pm On Apr 28, 2019
Henry240:


I really don't like armed helicopters for the Air Force though. However, if we're buying armed helicopters, it should be purchased good numbers, 12 minimum.

As you mentioned, it's all about the available funds. NAF seems more interested in arming it's pre-existing fleets of EC-135's, Bell- 412's and AW-109's for operations in low threat environments like Zamfara and the Niger Delta while dedicating the heavier Mil- series helos for counter-insurgency in the North East.
Also, remember that a total of 6 AW 109 Power helos were ordered so that should fill up some major operational cracks and free up demands of the Hinds for focus on the MNJTF theatre.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:44pm On Apr 28, 2019
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:28am On Apr 29, 2019
jakeporeshenko:

NAF confirmed that production of it Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano has started.

They also showcased armed AW109 and Aw101 transferred from PAF

The painting on the aw101 is horrible.... angry angry
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:39am On Apr 29, 2019
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