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Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 9:55am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Keep boycotting some of my points. JMAN05: You talked about A BOOK in that POST you NOT SEPTUAGINT, go back to see how you keep throwing yourself off. No, just live with it. U can research it. Mtcheeeee You don't get the point, do u? Since they removed it and the work of JWs is to REINSTALL the name where ever the scribes removed it, WHY IS THERE NO PLACE IN THE NWT where Jesus used it apart from the allege quotation from the OT or the scribes have removed it from NWT too? The name you gave is not specific, but if the manuscript you are talking about is the one mentioned in the All Scripture Book, then it is Rylands 457. Ask google... Explain: If I say you you're confusing things you will take it in another way. Remember you've swept these statements under carpet as if you didn't see it. You're talking about Paul writing letters to the Greek, which I counter that something written in GREEK AND HEBREW won't be pronounced the same way. This reinforced my point if Jehovah is pronounced in Hebrew, the pronunciation in Greek will be different also in YORUBA it will be different and this is difference from when I asked whether Jesus USED THE ACTUAL PRONUNCIATION at the synagogue which will leads to more accusation on Him by the Pharisees but swept under carpet by you. If you ve never argued pronunciation, what do those comments mean? Different pronunciation in different Languages is what you confused with whether Jesus used the actual pronunciation. sorry, just carry that one go standard debate. humility will help u know more. And still ranting as usual POST THE HEBREW & GREEK WORDS for JESUS simple, and let the humility starts helping me here! So which characters of the divine name appeared in the septaugint? You know! Above should help us ask this xtian copyist that question. From above, [size=14pt]you will agree that they removed it wherever the name appeared.[/size] So we cant exactly know where. Sticking to where Jesus/others made quotations is a nice decision. dont you think so? @bold-Since NWT has restored the Divine name where the scribes accused of removing it, why we didn't find A SINGLE PLACE IN THE NWT where Jesus addressed the Father? You once asked people like Abraham, David e.t.c used it why Jesus is exception? But when these people used it do they quote someone's work or addressed God directly with it? Pardon sir, i dont get you: SMH @underline for you sha.... let me come down to your level this time...on your own @BOLD it read when WE check IT (NWT) 76 times is Jehovah included based on a direct Hebrew quote (according to NWT claim)....so where did the remain INSERTION come from?" BUT according to NWT. Do you understand now? Thats simple logic. [s]you agree Jesus didnt skip the name while reading the Law.[/s] You are right, will he then skip it while making quotations in his day to day conversations? Back to my early question, you agree Jesus used the actual pronunciation why did the actual pronunciation lost again because for Jesus to use the pronunciation it means Jesus has restored the long time lost pronunciation due to restriction. The IT-2 p. 10 said: What is the full meaning of IT? Which one was first produced the one your organization praised the apostate Christian for doing a good job by removing God's name or the one you just quoted? Where did you see this your first century? Where did you see FIRST CENTURY in that post? I know you're confused them together again, don't worry if you answer the question I will show you again. Where is this first century manuscript? Google is your friend. He obviously did so, but it was removed. see above. They did it in sinaticus, even vatican 1207 in the OT parts. will the gospels be an exception for them? YET no where it was RECORDED IN THE NWT (despite the restoration of the name) that Jesus addressed the Father with that name, who remove it in the NWT again? I asked again who are these apostate Christians who removed the name are they Jews or Greek? 1 Like
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Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 10:12am On Jul 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES: JMAN05: Birds of the same feather flock together...like organization like followers! On the same thread page 4 I said this, so no surprise at all. If your organization can do it, who are you not to follow suit? You don't know JWs before The person you HONEST about her post did not only thrash me BUT THE WHOLE BIBLE AND JEHOVAH HIMSELF. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 10:52am On Jul 15, 2015 |
JMAN05: We're going there; @bold1-So you don't have the evidence that it was Septuagint that Jesus actually read in His own time. @bold2-but your organization said IT WAS ONLY AFTER JESUS that the name started missing from the Hebrew scriptures. I didnt say forged. They removed the name of God where it occurred. And who remove where Jesus addressed the Father with the divine name from NWT that said to have restored it? Am yet to see that first century manuscript. Second century? Yes. But the manuscript I mentioned above said nothing about God's name. Were those over 5000 manuscripts reliable? If God's name was removed without trace OVER 5000 Greek ONLY TEXT in possession without the ORIGINAL TO COMPARE WITH THEM how are will sure that it was ONLY the DIVINE NAME that was removed? This means that many things that are not from God might have been inserted and many things from God might have been removed since these scribes are NOT TRULY JEHOVAH FAITHFUL SERVANT-apostate Christians (according to you) Remove 'forged' above. [size=14pt]The name may have been removed cos they cant understand the name anymore.[/size] Since Moses, Abraham, Joshua, Solomon, Isaiah etc used the name, [size=14pt]do you think we shouldnt use it?[/size] and can we not include the name even when NT characters quote a scripture where the name appeared? This NWT did. Just see how ridiculous the bold parts sound, @bold1-the name may have been removed cos THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE NAME ANYMORE and you go on to the @bold 2 to ask do you think we SHOULDN'T USE IT? So you people are now the one who UNDERSTAND THE NAME that's why you can use but the people who are more closed to that time CAN'T, right Since the ancient prophets of God used the name, there is no point to the tradition of not pronouncing the name. As such, Jesus used it. unless you believe he agreed with the pharisees. And these ancient prophets who used it, do they quote someone else ONLY about the name or address God directly by the name? Why Jesus didn't address the Father with the name for once? [size=14pt]People's familiarity has always been the norm, not the correct pronunciation.[/size] For example, do you know how many names we pronounce/render a way different from how they are in the original? Did this people's familiarity predated Jesus' time or after Jesus? So if correct pronunciation has not been the norm, why do you argue that Jesus didn't follow the tradition of the pharisees BUT RATHER USED THE ACTUAL PRONUNCIATION? This show that you're speaking from both side of your mouth. Very funny Jesus didn't go with the tradition of men but used the actual pronunciation but the self acclaimed God's mouth piece can go with PEOPLE'S FAMILIARITY rather than go with the MORE CORRECT one. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Nobody: 10:42pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
Emusan: Oga, those comments you cancelled are essential. I demand answers to them before I reply: Do you still agree that Jesus read the divine name when he read the prophets? Where did you find the first century manuscript you spoke of? Why do you keep rejecting the FIRST CENTURY MANUSCRIPTS evidence in possession today that the Divine name was not used? Again Why do you keep rejecting the FIRST CENTURY MANUSCRIPTS evidence in possession today that the Divine name was not used? Wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Library_Papyrus_P52 So, where did you get what you said? Which language characters of Gods name appeared in the scriptures used by Jesus? Give simple answer not a Talmud to fill the thread. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by BERNIMOORE: 10:52pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
Time and energy you guys are using for all this arguments can be turned money, sorry I am just viewing |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Nobody: 11:04pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
Emusan: Oga, we have a discussion already above. Go and face it. Don't gather many discussion for ursef lest u die on Nairaland. But why do u sound like a wounded lion? Take it slow OK. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 8:47am On Jul 16, 2015 |
JMAN05: How many comments did I cancel? I only cancelled the TWO statements I've already settled...now you're using this as an excuse to BOYCOTT the rest of the points I raised. Do you still agree that Jesus read the divine name when he read the prophets? Answered!!! Where did you find the first century manuscript you spoke of? Do you even read the link you provided? I guess you did not! Answer my questions and those ones you boycott. Which language characters of Gods name appeared in the scriptures used by Jesus? Which scriptures did Jesus use first? Give simple answer not a Talmud to fill the thread. Like you always do. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 8:49am On Jul 16, 2015 |
JMAN05: See excuse everywhere, if I die how does it concern you? Jesus will receive, so to me to live is Christ and to die is gain. But why do u sound like a wounded lion? Take it slow OK. Coming from someone with excuses everywhere... |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 8:51am On Jul 16, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: I'm telling you. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Nobody: 3:59pm On Jul 16, 2015 |
Emusan: I mean the scripture Jesus used - Septuagint. Did it occur in Hebrew characters or Greek? Respond to the manuscript you claimed to have come from the first century AD. Your proof? 2 Likes |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Emusan(m): 1:39pm On Jul 26, 2015 |
JMAN05: Firstly, I'll take you more serious only if you can provide answers to my previous questions because it's just too obvious that you're attacking strawman. I NEVER BOYCOTTED ANY OF YOUR QUESTION HERE BUT YOU DO, YET YOU'RE THROWING MORE QUESTIONS WITHOUT ADDRESSING MINE. Secondly, you said Jesus used Septuagint whereas in your previous post your claim was "that is LIKELY what the apostles and even Jesus used." very funny of you... About the First Manuscript, you provided a Link and my respond to it was did you even read the link you provided at all? I asked this because I didn't see how your link refuted my point nor were you be able to provide a tangible quote from it to counter my claim. Don't worry I know how a typical JWs behaves when s/he is stuck in between refutable facts. Lastly, any attempt not to address those points I raised earlier but find your way around my post again will not be welcomed but end my reply here and it'll also good for you to bookmark this my post in case of it, so that you won't run your mouth any day that I run away. *You can post any of your point I didn't address and let me post mine so that people can see and compare. |
Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jul 26, 2015 |
Emusan: Where did you see the first century, show us. Oga tell us whether the characters the name occurred in. This question will dispel your ignorance. U hijacked a conversation you are not ready to handle. 1 Like |
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