Hypocrisy. More hypocrisy.

RobinHez:


Hey brother, the wine being referred to is the one gotten from grape fruit (called grape juice), the same type used in the last supper, and not the alcoholic drink u think!
Thanks.

The same wine that was given to Lot by his daughters? Wow, never knew grape juice gets one intoxicated.

Coolcash1:
I will like to share a true life experience that is happening now.

Also, I will appreciate if the moderator can move this to front page to gather enough advice as possible.

My wife's brother-in law who is a pastor in RCCG was offered an employment in one of the leading MNL brewery company but contemplating on taking it up. His reason was it is against his faith. I argued that so long you are not going to be taking their products I don't see anything bad in it. Here is a man that really needs to change his job because of his current state of living which is not good at all.

So, I will like you to advice if I am the one that is wrong or him. Because I am of the opinion that whether you are a Muslim or Christian faithful working in such industry is not against one's faith.

Hi Coolcash1
I am of the opinion and suggestion that it is wrong to assume that helping a bad course but not partaking in it is permissible.(YOU SAID''I [color=#000099]ARGUED THAT SO LONG YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING THEIR PRODUCTS I DONT SEE ANYTHING BAD IN IT)
But brother let us look at it this way;
(1) Suppose a village boy decides to work for a known spell or jazz herbalist for some income with the sole responsibility to gather herbs and other mixture and this herbalist is known for evil spells and destruction of other humans which himself claims. Will it be right to go ahead on the premise that ''SO LONG HE DID NOT PARTAKE IN PUTTING THE MIXTURE TOGETHER AND MAKING INCANTATIONS TO DESTROY PEOPLES LIFE, IT IS RIGHT TO HELP THE MAN ONLY''.

(2) Same example can be said, if you come to know somehow that a particular group are involved in armed robbery. And you are approached to be their supplier of arms. SHALL WE ARGUE THAT SO LONG AS I AM NOT INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL ROBBERY, THEN THERE IS NOTHING BAD IN THIS.

(3) And there are many more examples.

Therefore, tobacco and alcohol(sin or not) have been confirmed to have more negative effect than positive both to the individual human involved in its consumption and the society at large. Working for there continued production, is not encouraged. EVEN THOUGH IF WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN DRINKING as you have argued

Moreso,some christians have argued that the bible does not explicitly regards consuming alcohol a sin. But my suggestion is that they should look at it this way;
(1)If God in his scriptures does not call a particular thing a sin outrightly BUT, CURSES ANYONE WHO PARTAKE IN THAT THING. Shall we still go ahead to do such thing?
(2) Isaiah 5:22 '' WOE unto them that are mighty to drink wine and men of strenght to mingle strong drink''

RobinHez:


Hey brother, the wine being referred to is the one gotten from grape fruit (called grape juice), the same type used in the last supper, and not the alcoholic drink u think!
Thanks.

Taa, mechie onu before you commit blasphemy. Don't add or remove from the bible. Wine making process has not changed for over two thousand years. The process involves fermentation which yields alcohol. Wine as is in the bible is alcoholic.

God has purpose of doing things, if it is will of God for the christian to work in brewery and preach to people. If he turned it down, he has turned down God's plans to win souls in that company. My take in this is for him to tkae it and keep to his faith. Also, he win souls for God in that company. But, he should be watchful, for him not to fall into sin.

Ebe Jesus mere mmiri ka owoo mmanya...

Heresy.... Stop misleading pple if u dnt understand d scripture.. drinking Alcohol is a sin aswell as selling it or producing it.. once ur in d chain..from producer to consumer.. u r in it

CrazyMan:
The Bible doesn’t condemn alcohol. The only reference made to alcohol in the Bible is do not take too much of wine, don't be filled with wine".

Prophets, men of God and even Jesus himself all drank wine. And in his last moments on earth, he (Jesus) gave his disciples wine and bread and specifically instructed us to keep drinking wine in remembrance of him.

But despite the fact that Jesus and his disciples were known for drinking wine, (in fact one of Jesus first miracles was the turning of water into wine) it was never recorded anywhere in the bible that he (Jesus) nor his disciples got drunk. They choose to be filled with more of the holy ghost than the wine they consumed.

So you see these alcohol stuff has to do with the individual state...people detest alcohol not because the bible strongly forbids it but because they feel its not good.

Tell your pastor in-law to accept the job offer. Whether or not he consumes it is up to him to decide. But in the meantime, he has a family to carter for.

It is absolutely wrong to work in brewery establishment as a christian because the bible says, "woe unto him that make his brother stumble" when people drink beer they can have motor accidents and die, the pastor would account for the blood of these people. "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise" Proverbs 20:1. Read also Isiah 28:7 and Hosea 4:11. God will provide a better job for him for "What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loseth his soul"

1. Is right for a pastor to site his church in a hotel
2. Is it right for a pastor to go to hospital, cause they do abortion there.
3. Is it right for a pastor to watch television and surf the net, cause nuude ladies might turn up.
4. Is it right for a pastor to live near a police station, cause they seem corrupt

EggovinMma:



So what's your suggestions?
Should she take the job, or Continue to form HOLY NWEJE under unemployment?

Why will I advise such a person who is more righteous than righteousness himself (Jesus)?

Make we talk serious matter jare...

Howdy?

jnrbayano:


Why will I advise such a person who is more righteous than righteousness himself (Jesus)?

Make we talk serious matter jare...

Howdy?

Fine my dear! The kind work I dey find na him person dey reject! The kind of money in that business if one knows his/her way will feed an extended family.
Nigerians and hypocrisy! Too bad.

It's not ideal for a christain to work in any alcoholic producing company whatsoever.
As christains, we understand that alcoholic consumption breeds sin, and is consequently a sin.
Alcohol has destroyed so many lives and will continue to destroy lives.
A born again christain shouldn't be found working where a substance that promotes sin is produced.
The argument that such a christain may not indulge in the consumption of the alcoholic beverage is irrelevant.
Christains should be very careful in these last days; only the holy will make Heaven.

Imanuelle:


Howdy?

Cool as ice

EggovinMma:


Fine my dear! The kind work I dey find na him person dey reject! The kind of money in that business if one knows his/her way will feed an extended family.
Nigerians and hypocrisy! Too bad.

I opened this thread, dropped that post and un-followed it immediately.

Some people up there make silly excuses for him not to take the job whereas they refuse to neither be convincing nor making another job available for him.

Those rubbish I read nearly blinded me. I have been washing my eyes with distilled water ever since.

Because of you I had to return.

Will chat you up later dear.

CrazyMan:
The Bible doesn’t condemn alcohol. The only reference made to alcohol in the Bible is do not take too much of wine, don't be filled with wine".

Prophets, men of God and even Jesus himself all drank wine. And in his last moments on earth, he (Jesus) gave his disciples wine and bread and specifically instructed us to keep drinking wine in remembrance of him.

But despite the fact that Jesus and his disciples were known for drinking wine, (in fact one of Jesus first miracles was the turning of water into wine) it was never recorded anywhere in the bible that he (Jesus) nor his disciples got drunk. They choose to be filled with more of the holy ghost than the wine they consumed.

So you see these alcohol stuff has to do with the individual state...people detest alcohol not because the bible strongly forbids it but because they feel its not good.

Tell your pastor in-law to accept the job offer. Whether or not he consumes it is up to him to decide. But in the meantime, he has a family to carter for.

oga u're totally wrong.if u claim to be a child of God then you must possess the fruits of the spirit(galatians4:22-23) of which temperance(complete abstinence from alcohol) is inclusive.And also we're to love our neighbours(the people that would consume the alcohol)the way we love ourselves and if you claim to love them as the bible commands you'll do to them what you'll want others to do to you.How then would you engage in the production of goods that would destroy them when you don't want others to do same to you...God bless you

antiscamservice:
It's not ideal for a christain to work in any alcoholic producing company whatsoever.
As christains, we understand that alcoholic consumption breeds sin, and is consequently a sin.
Alcohol has destroyed so many lives and will continue to destroy lives.
A born again christain shouldn't be found working where a substance that promotes sin is produced.
The argument that such a christain may not indulge in the consumption of the alcoholic beverage is irrelevant.
Christains should be very careful in these last days; only the holy will make Heaven.

seconded

is there any scripture in the bible that says he should not work in a beer company.your pastor brother should better take the job or better tell me how to take his place if he doesn't want the job cos i love to work in a brewery or beer company

I know I am here late, not many people will have patience to reach here.

Many Nigerian Christians feel they know the bible and the Jewish culture which the bible was based upon than people who wrote the bible. Nearly every bible verse that mention alcoholism also mention gluttony. In fact there are roughly 38 verses in the bible that condemn GLUTTONY and about 10 that warns against DRUNKENNESS. Both are sins of same magnitude. Why then do we keep quiet on gluttony and get excited working all sort of food industry, yet condemn people making a living in the wine industry?

Some Nigerian Christians are either ignorant of their bible or just hypocrites!!

solex2agali:
God has purpose of doing things, if it is will of God for the christian to work in brewery and preach to people. If he turned it down, he has turned down God's plans to win souls in that company. My take in this is for him to tkae it and keep to his faith. Also, he win souls for God in that company. But, he should be watchful, for him not to fall into sin.

win those souls from the outside.Oga can you enter pornography with the aim of winning souls

Right now am sipping one chilled bottle of orijin, alcohol is not a sin but being drunk is a sin...

jbravado:
oga u're totally wrong.if u claim to be a child of God then you must possess the fruits of the spirit(galatians4:22-23) of which temperance(complete abstinence from alcohol) is inclusive.And also we're to love our neighbours(the people that would consume the alcohol)the way we love ourselves and if you claim to love them as the bible commands you'll do to them what you'll want others to do to you.How then would you engage in the production of goods that would destroy them when you don't want others to do same to you...God bless you

Does your temperance mean not taking wine? I shake my head the way some of us interpret the bible. When Paul talked about temperance, did he also talk about avoiding gluttony? Why then don't we condemn all of us because we all eat. Eating excess food leads to GLUTTONY, while drinking excess wine leads to DRUNKENNESS. What is the difference??

CrazyMan:
The Bible doesn’t condemn alcohol. The only reference made to alcohol in the Bible is do not take too much of wine, don't be filled with wine".

Prophets, men of God and even Jesus himself all drank wine. And in his last moments on earth, he (Jesus) gave his disciples wine and bread and specifically instructed us to keep drinking wine in remembrance of him.

But despite the fact that Jesus and his disciples were known for drinking wine, (in fact one of Jesus first miracles was the turning of water into wine) it was never recorded anywhere in the bible that he (Jesus) nor his disciples got drunk. They choose to be filled with more of the holy ghost than the wine they consumed.

So you see these alcohol stuff has to do with the individual state...people detest alcohol not because the bible strongly forbids it but because they feel its not good.

Tell your pastor in-law to accept the job offer. Whether or not he consumes it is up to him to decide. But in the meantime, he has a family to carter for.

gbam!!!! one bottle of that Jesus wine for u

All these people won't cease to amaze me. You use bottle of Gulder to store kerosene and yet that is not a sin...Hypocrites of the highest order...mmtttcccchhhheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww

@OP: I would say not however your wife's BIL should pray about it.

For him to have doubts means his spirier is telling him it is wrong.

He should still pray anyways

justi4jesu:





Cool as ice

Stay chilled.

what about tithe, donations,offerings and gifts from a brewery worker

Is the Job okay for him, is the church ready to pay him more than what d job is ready to offer?, will he b able tak care of his family and also pay a Good tites from the Job? Finally does D Bible Forbid working in such place?

There is nothing wrong abot it, believe in yourself, since the pastor is not drinking it, and since he can preach to people dat alchohol is bad. No problem

read Romans 14:13_16 & 23 this quote will answer this question. thanks

CrazyMan:
The Bible doesn’t condemn alcohol. The only reference made to alcohol in the Bible is do not take too much of wine, don't be filled with wine".

Prophets, men of God and even Jesus himself all drank wine. And in his last moments on earth, he (Jesus) gave his disciples wine and bread and specifically instructed us to keep drinking wine in remembrance of him.

But despite the fact that Jesus and his disciples were known for drinking wine, (in fact one of Jesus first miracles was the turning of water into wine) it was never recorded anywhere in the bible that he (Jesus) nor his disciples got drunk. They choose to be filled with more of the holy ghost than the wine they consumed.

So you see these alcohol stuff has to do with the individual state...people detest alcohol not because the bible strongly forbids it but because they feel its not good.

Tell your pastor in-law to accept the job offer. Whether or not he consumes it is up to him to decide. But in the meantime, he has a family to carter for.

GOD bless you. The most obvious truth we have avoided in the church cos religion has taken over conviction and truth.

CrazyMan:
The Bible doesn’t condemn alcohol. The only reference made to alcohol in the Bible is do not take too much of wine, don't be filled with wine".

Prophets, men of God and even Jesus himself all drank wine. And in his last moments on earth, he (Jesus) gave his disciples wine and bread and specifically instructed us to keep drinking wine in remembrance of him.

But despite the fact that Jesus and his disciples were known for drinking wine, (in fact one of Jesus first miracles was the turning of water into wine) it was never recorded anywhere in the bible that he (Jesus) nor his disciples got drunk. They choose to be filled with more of the holy ghost than the wine they consumed.

So you see these alcohol stuff has to do with the individual state...people detest alcohol not because the bible strongly forbids it but because they feel its not good.

Tell your pastor in-law to accept the job offer. Whether or not he consumes it is up to him to decide. But in the meantime, he has a family to carter for.

GOD bless you. The most obvious truth we have avoided in the church cos religion has taken over conviction and truth. Some people will come and tell you now it was "Non alcoholic wine'