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Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Seriallinks(m): 10:14am On Apr 22, 2015 |
sukkot: So what will you make of this verse Hebrews 7:4 Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle. |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by sukkot: 10:48am On Apr 22, 2015 |
Seriallinks:Another name for the elect is abraham or moses or jesus. pick a name. these are cover names put on them during different empires reign. in ancient babylon they were daniel. in egypt they were moses. after atlantis ( the garden of eden ) they were abraham. during the byzantine empire they were jesus christ. in atlantis they were adam |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by sukkot: 10:50am On Apr 22, 2015 |
Seriallinks:bros this being the doctrine i had from the start. |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by sukkot: 10:51am On Apr 22, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:yeah i will give it just one shot just to know what all the noise is about. however i have stopped drinking alcohol. i am 3 months clean 1 Like |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Rilwayne001: 11:12am On Apr 22, 2015 |
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Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Rilwayne001: 11:34am On Jun 03, 2015 |
[b] There are other problems. In some ways Matthew’s genealogy is the more remarkable because he stresses the numerological signifi cance of Jesus’ ancestry. From Abraham to David, Israel’s greatest king, there were fourteen generations; from David to the destruction of Judah by the Babylonians, Israel’s greatest disaster, there were fourteen generations; and from the Babylonian disaster to the birth of Jesus, fourteen generations (1:17). Fourteen, fourteen, and fourteen—it is almost as if God had planned it this way. In fact, for Matthew, he had. After every fourteen generations there occurs an enormously significant event. This must mean that Jesus—the fourteenth generation—is someone of very great importance to God. The problem is that the fourteen-fourteen-fourteen schema doesn’t actually work. If you read through the names carefully, you’ll see that in the third set of fourteen there are in fact only thirteen generations. Moreover, it is relatively easy to check Matthew’s genealogy against his source, the Hebrew Bible itself, which provides him with the names for his genealogy. It turns out that Matthew left out some names in the fourteen generations from David to the Babylonian disaster. In 1:8 he indicates that Joram is the father of Uzziah. But we know from 1 Chronicles 3:10–12 that Joram was not Uzziah’s father, but his great-great-grandfather. 8 In other words, Matthew has dropped three generations from the genealogy. Why? The answer should be obvious. If he included all the generations, he would not be able to claim that something significant happened at every fourteenth generation. [/b] 1 Like |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Scholar8200(m): 11:55am On Jun 03, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Matthew's primary audience was the Jews - the very custodians of these genealogies- and, being an elite himself (receiver of customs) he will not have attempted a manipulation like you are implying,knowing that his audience were not ignorant of these genealogies and the principles followed in compiling them. How many years make a generation in the context under consideration?(I need your answer) Secondly, this practice was normal in genealogy. For example Belshazzar, Nebuchadnezzar's grand son was recorded as his son and the latter as his father, even though he was actually his grand father.Daniel 5:2,11,18. I'd suggest you thoroughly research and perfect your understanding of how and what was involved in genealogy compilation and generation measurement,and the principles followed in both procedures as far back as the time you have referenced, before making your claims public. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Rilwayne001: 5:46pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Scholar8200: This is nothing but fallacy. If I grab your drift here, are you trying to say that since they (jews) did'nt question him about his compilation this particular genealogy, then automatically, it is not manipulated? How many years make a generation in the context under consideration?(I need your answer) From the birth of David to the birth of Christ is upwards of 1080 years; and as the lifetime of Christ is not included, there are but 27 full generations. To find therefore the average age of each person mentioned in the list, at the time his first son was born, it is only necessary to divide 1080 years by 27, which gives 40 years for each person. As the lifetime of man was then but the same extent it is now, it is an absurdity to suppose that 27 following generations should all be old bachelors, before they married; and the more so, when we are told, that Solomon, the next in succession to David Secondly, this practice was normal in genealogy. Really? This practice isn't normal, until you tell us the major reason why Mattew omitted Ahaziah, Athaliah , Jehoash , and Amaziah Now, here is another problem in Luke's genealogy. Between Shem and Abraham, Luke is clearly following the genealogy in Genesis 11:10-26. At one point, Luke adds a name not present in Genesis 11, namely Cainan. This is Luke 3:34-36: the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, the son of CAINAN, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech Is this also a practise For example Belshazzar, Nebuchadnezzar's grand son was recorded as his son and the latter as his father, even though he was actually his grand father.Daniel 5:2,11,18. This is another undiluted fallacy. You should show us where in the bible Belshazzar is refer to as Nebuchadnezzar's grand son. Aside from that, Roboam is recorded by Mattew as the son of Solomon not as the grandson of Solomon , why should Joram be different since we are following the same genealogy? |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Scholar8200(m): 7:18pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Of course! Besides, the jews in question had on some occasions discovered certain names not included in the genealogy (either by omission or if such was cut off) and requisite treatment was meted out. It's no new thing e.g. Ezra 2:62 these sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood. It did not say they were not Israelites but at this point their name was not found in the genealogy. note the highlighted. A fallacy is what you have when a conclusion does not follow from its premise; this is no fallacy. The only grounds where a fallacy might be suggested would have been if, like the apocrypha, this book was rejected by those who knew better. A book written between 58-68 Ad/ce having in mind the jewish believers (who were very particular/finicky with such issues) as audience still stands till date when a 21st century person (not a jew and knows next to nothing about the genealogical practices of the Jews in the BCE) suddenly feels it was manipulated!! That implied conclusion of yours appears more like the fallacy! This could have been avoided if you followed the suggestion given in the last paragraph of my response. Consider this: Joshua 2:10 clearly shows one of the basis of the measure of a generation (The life span of the contemporaries in each set, not necessarily when the main character passes on) . Based on this, I wont be surprised if names were not included since the point of Matthew is generations(not names per se) Joshua 2:8,10 8 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the Lord, died, being an hundred and ten years old. 10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel. A resort to anachronism (which I tried to help avoid by the advice given) would be very subjective and would serve your purpose faster! The reply given to the previous paragraph answers this.(maybe not for you but to the unbiased reader who are my major concern anyway). I am still trying to consider this but from my perception, Arphaxad may have had only daughters (it would also be strange that they all had sons all the time then!) Hence Cainan married one of them and gave birth to Shelah in raising up seed to Arphaxad(since the issue of inheritance was not involved at this time). The practice of raising up seed for a person was accepted then see Genesis 38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. Genesis 30:3 3 And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her History gives us a postscript of these, Belshazzar had been known only from the biblical Book of Daniel (chapters 5, 7– and from Xenophon’s Cyropaedia until 1854, when references to him were found in Babylonian cuneiform inscriptions. Though he is referred to in the Book of Daniel as the son of Nebuchadrezzar, the Babylonian inscriptions indicate that he was in fact the eldest son of Nabonidus, who was king of Babylon from 555 to 539, and of Nitocris, who was perhaps a daughter of Nebuchadrezzar. When Nabonidus went into exile (550), he entrusted Belshazzar with the throne and the major part of his army.(www.britannica.com) The highlighted shows that Nebuchadnezzar had no son hence the man that married his daughter (Nitocris) became king. Hence the reference to Belshazzar as his son was perfectly correct in keeping with the genealogical principles(quite similar to that of Israel but perhaps the involvement of royalty demands that Nabonidus' name be not included lest his kith and kin claim the throne for another in their family other than his son after his death) even though he was a grandson. 1 Like |
Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Rilwayne001: 6:59pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
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