Why do we pray?

You claim authorship by omitting your sources

Gombs:



You're this desperate? Hahaaahahahhahahaha

Most of my short topics are from ROR, go check them all.... How's that plagiarism, if I never claimed authorship?

Get serious and find something to do with your time.

Ishilove:
A prayerless Christian Is a powerless Christian. Any other thing is by grace

That claim is not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God.

motherlode:
A prayerless Christian is a powerless Christian!

With reference to Matt 7:7
you can only receive power (through the holy spirit) when you ask God in prayer!

Do you remember the day of pentecost, when those in the gathering began speaking in tongues ( they received the holy spirit through PRAYER )
always put in mind this passage of the bible JAMES 5:16 ........... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Wrong! You receive power of the Spirit of God when God Himself decides it so,not as a result of you praying for it.

On the day of pentecost, where you told that the disciples where praying for the Spirit of God to come down? There is no evidence of them doing any such.
Sure the effectual fervent prayer of the righteous avalileth much but no amount of prayer can make you righteous in the sight of God.

TOPMAN4LIFE:
Yes, prayer gives power
I know many born again xtians who stil suffer in d hand of enemy because of prayerlessness

Jesus Christ never taught you that the source of power is prayer. And He certainly never taught anyone that the reason one suffers is because one does not pray enough. So stop spreading these lies abeg!

Oh my!

Kobojunkie... Nice one!

Gombs:
Oh my!
Kobojunkie... Nice one!

Lol....

holluwai:
We should request for grace more.

Who told you you could ask for "more" grace and to what end?

Jesus Christ said that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments and it is inside of those that He and His Father will come and make their home in. There are about 56 commandments in total that every believer is meant to obey.

When you focus only on praying, you are no different from the Pharisees who Jesus Christ warned, focused on just the laws that they believed would benefit them more neglecting the other laws.

deebrain:
The idiom is 100 percent true.
Your confessions of authority in Christ over situations in Jesus' name is Prayer.
The normal regular requests in Jesus' name is Prayer.
The worship, the casting and binding, etc is Prayer.
Even God talking back to you which is mostly in place of prayer-all join-is Prayer.
Any Christian despite the authority given that has issues in the popular "prayer life", has issues already.
Authority is the right. Power is the use of those rights.
What is the use of knowing your rights as a Christian when you have no intention of using them?
Some of u shaaaa...

Jesus Christ never taught you that confessing anything in His name is the way to go,even where power is concerned.

Jesus Christ explained to you in so many words that to worship God means simply to submit to and obey God's commandments and teachings, which He, Jesus Christ, taught to you. He even went as far as to let you know that those who love Him,the ones in whom His power rests, are not those who pray but instead those who submit to and obey His teachings/commandments.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never taught you that the source of power is prayer. And He certainly never taught anyone that the reason one suffers is because one does not pray enough. So stop spreading these lies abeg!

Mark 14:38 and Luke 22:46 say pray so that u will not fall into temptation

TOPMAN4LIFE:

Mark 14:38 and Luke 22:46 say pray so that u will not fall into temptation

1. So are we hear assuming that the choice to say no to temptation is a form of power of God?

Mark 14 vs 37 -38(ERV)

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37 Then he went back to his followers and found them sleeping. He said to Peter, “Simon, why are you sleeping? Could you not stay awake with me for one hour?
38 Stay awake and pray for strength against temptation. Your spirit wants to do what is right, but your body is weak.”

2. So when unbelievers make similar choices to stave off temptation to do wickedness of any kind, they have "power" of the same kind you speak of, even though they do not believe in praying for it?

Kobojunkie:
1. So are we hear assuming that the choice to say no to temptation is a form of power of God?

2. So when unbelievers make similar choices to stave off temptation to do wickedness of any kind, they have "power" of the same kind you speak of, even though they do not believe in praying for it?

1) When people pray, they receive power from God to overcome temptation and do signs/ wonder.
It's the power of darkness from Satan that makes people to sin and people need power of God through Jesus to resist and overcome sin,

Prayer is one of the things to do in order to get power over sin,
2) There is nothing like unbeliever that doesn't sin, he/she might appear holy but in other aspect that is not glaring, he/she might be committing sin, God judges the heart and not only the action.
It's only Jesus God gives power to cleanse our sins by the blood He shed on the cross.
Read 1Corinthian 15:21 and Romans 5:11-21

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never taught you that confessing anything in His name is the way to go,even where power is concerned.

Jesus Christ explained to you in so many words that to worship God means simply to submit to and obey God's commandments and teachings, which He, Jesus Christ, taught to you. He even went as far as to let you know that those who love Him,the ones in whom His power rests, are not those who pray but instead those who submit to and obey His teachings/commandments.

Prayer is one of the commandments Jesus gave to us,
Bible says in 1Thessalonians 5:17 pray without ceasing
Satan and his agents are the only people that fear prayer.
Satan knows every word in the Bible but only thing he can't do is to pray and act out the Word of God.

Stop discouraging people from prayer.
Stop downgrading prayer

TOPMAN4LIFE:

Prayer is one of the commandments Jesus gave to us,
Bible says in 1Thessalonians 5:17 pray without ceasing
Satan and his agents are the only people that fear prayer.
Satan knows every word in the Bible but only thing he can't do is to pray and act out the Word of God.

Stop discouraging people from prayer.
Stop downgrading prayer

Yes, Jesus Christ gave us commands regarding prayer - about 8 out of a total of about 56 commandments- however, not once does Jesus Christ mention that Power, even His, come from prayer, that is why I wonder why so many of you attach Power to prayer as if Jesus Christ Himself declared it so.

As a matter of fact, the key to reaching God, according to Jesus Christ has never been prayer but Obedience. Over and over in the Bible , you read that God is honored by our obedience and it is when we obey that He responds(Power).

However, in there ignorance, and arrogance, many have chosen to make a god out of prayer, elevating it above all other commandments, thereby nullifying the Power in the Word of God as a result.

There are about 56 commandments you are commanded to obey, in the teachings of Jesus Christ, and when you ignore the rest just so you can focus only on those that have to do with your beloved prayer, you become no different from the pharisees that Jesus Christ rebuked for focusing on pleasing themselves and their ignorance through what He called meaningless worship over actually honoring God through their obedience.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, Jesus Christ gave us commands regarding prayer - about 8 out of a total of about 56 commandments- however, not once does Jesus Christ mention that Power, even His, come from prayer, that is why I wonder why so many of you attach Power to prayer as if Jesus Christ Himself declared it so.

As a matter of fact, the key to reaching God, according to Jesus Christ has never been prayer but Obedience. Over and over in the Bible , you read that God is honored by our obedience and it is when we obey that He responds(Power).

However, in there ignorance, and arrogance, many have chosen to make a god out of prayer, elevating it above all other commandments, thereby nullifying the Power in the Word of God as a result.

There are about 56 commandments you are commanded to obey, in the teachings of Jesus Christ, and when you ignore the rest just so you can focus only on those that have to do with your beloved prayer, you become no different from the pharisees that Jesus Christ rebuked for focusing on pleasing themselves and their ignorance through what He called meaningless worship over actually honoring God through their obedience.

Nobody advises u to ignore obedience and focus only on prayer,
We need to obey the Lord's teaching totally,
I think the OP created this tread because of people like u that believe only in obedience without prayer, whereas prayer is part of the obedience to the Word of God,
If u stay away from sin without persistent prayer, enemy will still manipulate u,
Even when Jesus who is the Word himself was here on earth, many times he wil depart from His disciples to a private place and pray.
You are the one that started criticizing people that pray to get power of God.
If you have said only prayer is not enough that people need to also obey, l would have agreed.
My believe is that we need total obedience to the Word of God which also includes persistent prayer to get power of God.

TOPMAN4LIFE:

1) When people pray, they receive power from God to overcome temptation and do signs/ wonder.
It's the power of darkness from Satan that makes people to sin and people need power of God through Jesus to resist and overcome sin,

Prayer is one of the things to do in order to get power over sin,
2) There is nothing like unbeliever that doesn't sin, he/she might appear holy but in other aspect that is not glaring, he/she might be committing sin, God judges the heart and not only the action.
It's only Jesus God gives power to cleanse our sins by the blood He shed on the cross.
Read 1Corinthian 15:21 and Romans 5:11-21

1. According to Jesus Christ, you receive power when you submit to and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, not simply when you pray.

2. Sin is disobedience and this is a result of a choice to put self-interest before God God the commandments of God are concerned.
The power of darkness is not what makes people to sin, instead it is a result of the people's sins. A person first needs commit sin in order to fuel the darkness already within them - Jesus Christ said that sin comes from what you alrwdy have stored inside of you. If you store lles, disobedience is what results ; if you store the Truth of God,then obedience is what results. When you submit to sin, instead of to God, then you give power to the darkness and hence hand even more control to it over you.
So, the next time you sin, know the only power that causes you to sin is the power you give over to sin when you choose it over obedience.... the fault is yours and not the devil's .

3. Sin refers to the individual choice to disobey God. So, then even sinners and unbelievers can in fact CHOOSE obedience in some aspects over others, and these choices come, yes, from the heart. That is why even those who are unbelievers today can become believers tomorrow.

According to Jesus Christ, those make the choice to free themselves from slavery to sin(all sins/iniquity) can only do so through continuous submission to and obedience of His teachings and commandments - John 8. His blood was indeed shed for the forgiveness of our sins but again, it is not through some prayer ritual that this happen but through obedience as well.

TOPMAN4LIFE:

Nobody advises u to ignore obedience and focus only on prayer,
We need to obey the Lord's teaching totally,
I think the OP created this tread because of people like u that believe only in obedience without prayer, whereas prayer is part of the obedience to the Word of God,
If u stay away from sin without persistent prayer, enemy will still manipulate u,
Even when Jesus who is the Word himself was here on earth, many times he wil depart from His disciples to a private place and pray.
You are the one that started criticizing people that pray to get power of God.
If you have said only prayer is not enough that people need to also obey, l would have agreed.
My believe is that we need total obedience to the Word of God which also includes persistent prayer to get power of God.

1. There is no such thing as obedience without prayer... that idea only seems to make sense to those or you enamored by your devotion to just a handful of the laws and not the others.

Prayer,as i have said several times now is a part of the laws given by God with the overarching message being obedience of all and not just some.

Even when it comes to prayer, many who cling fast to prayer as if an idol of sorts tend to ignore just about 5 of the 8 commandments that have to do with prayer - this out of the about 56 total commandments contained in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Some of the popularly ignored prayer-centric commandments are

* Must pray in secret and in silence so you are not heard or seen by anyone else

* Must seek forgiveness from those who have an issue against you before you pray

* Must pray FOR and not AGAINST those who you see as your enemies

* Must avoid vain repetition when praying

* Must pray according to the Lord's prayer when you prayer


You speak of obedience as if it is meant to be an after thought not realizing that obedience is key if your prayers are not to be rendered more meaningless worship where God is concerned.

2. Jesus Christ prayed while He was here on earth but the same Jesus Christ also obeyed all the other commandments in that same time He was on earth. To reduce His mission to a one dominated by time off to the side to pray is ludicrous.

There are about 56 commandments in total defined in the Word of God which is power. If you choose to focus even on following, in your way,3 prayer-focused commands, ignoring over 53 other commandments, are you living in obedience of God? No!

Obedience mandates that you submit to all 56 commandments, the Truth of God so to speak, refusing to give more time and attention to some, ignoring the others. Every commandment matters where the power of God is concerned that is why there is no one commandments with a promise of power attached to it, not even prayer.

Kobojunkie,

Your end is near. Believe me. With the no.nsense you post everywhere in this NL confusing people. You are the same person turning the bible upside down that Jesus is Lucifer, same you said many lies about the Spirit of God, and now saying prayer is not power.

God is not man, and certainly not me. And this I learn daily cos if God was man, I am sure you wouldn't see tomorrow. I keep wondering where and how you get all these ideas if you arent dining with the devil himself. Why? Everything you teach, you strategically remove power from people.

1. You strategically deceived them that spirit is the Spirit of God in the Bible. When there are many spirits. So they can receive any evil spirit thinking all spirits are same. Whereas the Bible specifically mentioned the spirit of God.

2. You want to strategically confuse people, and present Lucifer to them so they can receive that evil in place of Jesus. Later, they realise Lucifer is the devil.

3. Now, you strategically want them to be prayerless. You are something else. You are.

I rebuke you in the name of my Lord Jesus. Kobojunkie, I am warning you.

Please, ignore this de.mon. He twists the Bible everytime. If you do not pray, you become powerless. It's simple as ABC. Prayer is the only way you communicate with God. Its is your connection to Him. When you are disconnected, you are powerless.

There is another special prayer called Praying in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit helps you to pray. The Holy Spirit is your source of power, and since he helps you to pray also, He makes you prayer efficient and effective.

A prayerless christian is a powerless christian.

Jesus refers to power in our opening verse. You received it when the Holy Spirit came into your life; you didn't get it through the effect of prayer. On the other hand, 'exousia' or authority means delegated power. The effect and the efficacy of authority depends on the power that's behind it.

How or when does one receive the Holy Spirit after accepting Christ ??

According to Jesus Christ, in John 14 vs 21-28, those who continue to submit and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ are those who He(the Spirit of Truth) and the Father(The Spirit of God) will come and make their home in.

deebrain:
The idiom is 100 percent true.
Your confessions of authority in Christ over situations in Jesus' name is Prayer.
The normal regular requests in Jesus' name is Prayer.
The worship, the casting and binding, etc is Prayer.
Even God talking back to you which is mostly in place of prayer-all join-is Prayer.
Any Christian despite the authority given that has issues in the popular "prayer life", has issues already.
Authority is the right. Power is the use of those rights.
What is the use of knowing your rights as a Christian when you have no intention of using them?
Some of u shaaaa...

1. Where in the Gospels did Jesus Christ teach you of these "confessions of authority" you claim and make?

Worship, according to Jesus Christ, implies submission and obedience of His teachings & commandments. So how did you arrive at reducing it to prayer?

God never commanded your "popular prayer life". Instead, He says that only those who obey Him are worthy of Him and only those who do as He commands, will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven at the end of the day, making it clear that all your prayer amounts to nothing in the end if you do not do as He cpmmands. So, is the man who prays better than the man who acts?

The rights given you as a follower of Jesus Christ are expressed and seen through your actions which ought to be in obedience to the commandments of God. If you claim to have rights but refuse to feed the hungry, take care of the sick, give drink to those who are thirsty, clothe those who are naked, home those who are homeless, your rights amount to nothing where the Kingdom of Heaven is concerned.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=101834509] 1. There is no such thing as obedience without prayer... that idea only seems to make sense to those or you enamored by your devotion to just a handful of the laws and not the others.

Prayer,as i have said several times now is a part of the laws given by God with the overarching message being obedience of all and not just some.

Even when it comes to prayer, many who cling fast to prayer as if an idol of sorts tend to ignore just about 5 of the 8 commandments that have to do with prayer - this out of the about 56 total commandments contained in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Some of the popularly ignored prayer-centric commandments are

* Must pray in secret and in silence so you are not heard or seen by anyone else

* Must seek forgiveness from those who have an issue against you before you pray

* Must pray FOR and not AGAINST those who you see as your enemies

* Must avoid vain repetition when praying

* Must pray according to the Lord's prayer when you prayer


You speak of obedience as if it is meant to be an after thought not realizing that obedience is key if your prayers are not to be rendered more meaningless worship where God is concerned.

2. Jesus Christ prayed while He was here on earth but the same Jesus Christ also obeyed all the other commandments in that same time He was on earth. To reduce His mission to a one dominated by time off to the side to pray is ludicrous.

There are about 56 commandments in total defined in the Word of God which is power. If you choose to focus even on following, in your way,3 prayer-focused commands, ignoring over 53 other commandments, are you living in obedience of God? No!

Obedience mandates that you submit to all 56 commandments, the Truth of God so to speak, refusing to give more time and attention to some, ignoring the others. Every commandment matters where the power of God is concerned that is why there is no one commandments with a promise of power attached to it, not even prayer.
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We don't need to engage in prolong controversy,
Do what work for u, as for me the way l am serving my God is working for me.
Continue to look for people that pray so that u can criticize them,

PeaceJoyLove:
Kobojunkie,

You end is near. Believe me. With the no.nsense you post everywhere in this NL confusing people. You are the same person turning the bible upside down that Jesus is Lucifer, same you said many lies about the Spirit of God, and now saying prayer is not power.

God is not man, and certainly not me. And this I learn daily cos if God was man, I am sure you wouldn't see tomorrow. I keep wondering where and how you get all these ideas if you arent dining with the devil himself. Why? Everything you teach, you strategically remove power from people.

1. You strategically deceived them that spirit is the Spirit of God in the Bible. When there are many spirits. So they can receive any evil spirit thinking all spirits are same. Whereas the Bible specifically mentioned the spirit of God.

2. You want to strategically confuse people, and present Lucifer to them so they can receive that evil in place of Jesus. Later, they realise Lucifer is the devil.

3. Now, you strategically want them to be prayerless. You are something else. You are.

I rebuke you in the name of my Lord Jesus. Kobojunkie, I am warning you.

Please, ignore this de.mon. He twists the Bible everytime. If you do not pray, you become powerless. It's simple as ABC. Prayer is the only way you communicate with God. Its is your connection to Him. When you are disconnected, you are powerless.

There is another special prayer called Praying in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit helps you to pray. The Holy Spirit is your source of power, and since he helps you to pray also, He makes you prayer efficient and effective.

A prayerless christian is a powerless christian.

Thank u for revealing the evil in the man.
As l told him earlier, it is only Satan and his agents that fear prayer

TOPMAN4LIFE:

We don't need to engage in prolong controversy,
Do what work for u, as for me the way l am serving my God is working for me.
Continue to look for people that pray so that u can criticize them,

God is working for you AGAINST His own decree? Really?

I don't look for people that pray to criticize them. In fact this whole exercise is to speak the Truth of God over the lies perpetrated by many of you who don't seem to know what the one you claim to worship even says about that which you continue to pretend you do in His Name.

Nowhere in scripture are you told that power comes by prayer... there are so many examples to show that it is not so in scripture. Yet may of you chose instead to listen to lies that purport power comes by way of prayer.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! You receive power of the Spirit of God when God Himself decides it so,not as a result of you praying for it.

On the day of pentecost, where you told that the disciples where praying for the Spirit of God to come down? There is no evidence of them doing any such.
Sure the effectual fervent prayer of the righteous avalileth much but no amount of prayer can make you righteous in the sight of God.

Congratulations man... You have succeeded in reviving a thread that has long gone into a six (6) years sleep or perhaps hiatus!


Believe it or not, there is no receiving without asking! The only thing that creates an equilibrium between these two acts is the will behind a request or let's put it in this way; the purpose for which a request is made. In some rare cases, some receive even before they ask.

Why is this?... This is because the purpose for which they need those blessings have long being fulfilled either directly or indirectly, before any request was (or is to be) ever made. Example: Bezaleel - Exodus 31:3-5... Noah - Genesis 6:1-8... The Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8:26-40

Now take a look at this; In that same Acts 8:9-25, we are made to understand that if the will or purpose behind a request does not create an alignment or an equilibrium between the simple acts of asking and receiving, such requests will go unattended to. Case in point is that of Simon the Sorcerer as seen in Acts 8:9-25... This point is further buttressed in James 4:3

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As regards your quote about the day of Pentecost, seriously I am not hear to argue with anybody... I would only implore you to take a delve with me into some passages of the Bible. The book of Acts for a proper start.

Acts 1:1-8 - Highlights the Instructions/Commands and Promise.

Acts 1:9-11 - Highlights a well needed jolt back to focus. The gaze of the disciples were still on Jesus Christ in the course of the Ascension, they had fears that needed to be allayed, they had doubts that needed to be erased because He was no longer with them. The jolt was to bring them back to awareness. To wait on the promise of God, to tap into the process of waiting on God in prayers. Isaiah 40:29-31.

Acts 1:12-26 - Highlights the process. Emphasis on 1:14(a) - The process is the content.

Acts 2:1- 4 - Highlights the result of that process. Emphasis on ch2:1(b)

In one accord... In agreement in prayer...

Remember this was lacking in the disciples as highlighted in Mark 9:17-29 and Matthew 17:14-21.

I would love to engage in this but I believe it best to stick to the topic here in order to establish a clear point which is that when it comes to power, neither God, nor Jesus Christ, promised it to only those who pray. In fact, in the New Covenant, none of the commandments concerning prayer comes with promise of power, for you see, the Power of God is in the Word and the Word meaning the very teachings of commandments of God.

And I had tried to explain to someone before, there are about 56 commandments of which only about 8 of them deal directly with prayer and of those only about 3 are popular among those who cling to the idea of prayer as a source of power.

According to scripture, God is honored, not by our prayers but instead by our submission and obedience of His comandments/rules- it is when we honor Him that His power is revealed to us. This is according to scripture.

motherlode:


Congratulations man... You have succeeded in reviving a thread that has long gone into a six (6) years sleep or perhaps hiatus!


Believe it or not, there is no receiving without asking! The only thing that creates an equilibrium between these two acts is the will behind a request or let's put it in this way; the purpose for which a request is made. In some rare cases, some receive even before they ask.

Why is this?... This is because the purpose for which they need those blessings have long being fulfilled either directly or indirectly, before any request was (or is to be) made. Example: Bezaleel - Exodus 31:3-5... Noah - Genesis 6:1-8... The Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8:26-40

Now take a look at this; In that same Acts 8:9-25, we are made to understand that if the will or purpose behind a request does not create an alignment or an equilibrium between the simple acts of asking and receiving, such requests will go unattended to. Case in point is that of Simon the Sorcerer as seen in Acts 8:9-25... This point is further buttressed in James 4:3

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As regards your quote about the day of Pentecost, seriously I am not hear to argue with anybody... I would only implore you to take a delve with me into some passages of the Bible. The book of Acts for a proper start.

Acts 1:1-8 - Highlights the Instructions/Commands and Promise.

Acts 1:9-11 - Highlights a well needed jolt back to focus. The gaze of the disciples were still on Jesus Christ in the course of the Ascension, they had fears that needed to be allayed, they had doubts that needed to be erased because He was no longer with them. The jolt was to bring them back to awareness. To wait on the promise of God, to tap into the process of waiting on God in prayers. Isaiah 40:29-31.

Acts 1:12-26 - Highlights the process. Emphasis on 1:14(a) - The process is the content.

Acts 2:1- 4 - Highlights the result of that process. Emphasis on ch2:1(b)

In one accord... In agreement in prayer...

Remember this was lacking in the disciples as highlighted in Mark 9:17-29 and Matthew 17:14-21.

Now,let's turn a bit to asking and receiving and the "equilibrium" which you claim exists between the two

A popular verse in the Bible from Psalm 37 has David declaring " delight thyself in the Lord and He will grant you the desires of your heart...". Those who know God will also tell you that it is also true that God knows the desires of your heart even before you ask it, as it is stated in scripture. Note that in both cases, there is no indication made that an ask has to be submitted in order to recieve that which God already knows we need or desire. So why reduce God's desire to provide to some ask-receive protocol?.

If , according to you, we have to first ask before we can recieve from God, then why are there numerous examples in scripture of God providing even before a formal request was made by those who received from Him?

As for the receiving of power, well, we have the very example of Jesus Christ recieving the Spirit of God just as He was being baptized. We also have examples of His apostles receiving the Spirit of God without necessarily praying for such to happen-according to the story, they were unprepared for what took place, implying they did not preknow what was to happen.

Kobojunkie:
God is working for you AGAINST His own decree? Really?

I don't look for people that pray to criticize them. In fact this whole exercise is to speak the Truth of God over the lies perpetrated by many of you who don't seem to know what the one you claim to worship even says about that which you continue to pretend you do in His Name.

Nowhere in scripture are you told that power comes by prayer... there are so many examples to show that it is not so in scripture. Yet may of you chose instead to listen to lies that purport power comes by way of prayer.

In Mathew 46:21 and Luke 22:46, when Jesus told His disciples to pray so as not to enter into temptation,
Jesus knew they were already obeying other commandments but lacking in the area of prayer, if not Jesus would have rather told them to forsake their sins and obeyed so that they won't fall into temptation.
This shows that people can obey other commandments and not praying enough,
That was why Jesus emphasized on prayer while admonishing His disciples,
Jesus didn't tell them about obedience because He knew they were already obeying other commandments except prayers, lf Jesus emphasized on prayer in that Bible verses l quoted above, who are u to say Christian should downgrade prayer.
What is the meaning of temptation Jesus said His disciples to pray against, temptation means every sort of challenges, problems that faces human being, it is only when you pray as a born again child of God that the power of God will work in u to avert or destroy problems, That's how prayer and power work.
It is only Satan and his agents that are not happy at people that pray.
That is why the devil is using people like u to downgrade the importance of prayer.
I know u are carrying out the task of the devil,
So that u can discourage people from praying without ceasing as instructed by Jesus.
God will expose people like u that appear like angel of light but are of the devil.
I am not surprised as u are quoting the Bible to mislead people,
Satan also quoted the scripture when he tempted Jesus after 40 days and nights fast.
If it's wrong for u to pray, leave us that prayer is working for alone.
I rebuke the devil in you in Jesus name

Kobojunkie:

If you truly read what I wrote up there earlier, you would realize that the same point you're trying to make has been explicitly represented. There are examples laid out there with bible verses. It would do you no harm to read them.

#Selah

motherlode:

If you truly read what I wrote up there earlier, you would realize that the same point you're trying to make has been explicitly represented. There are examples laid out there with bible verses. It would do you no harm to read them.

#Selah

We are not saying the same things. The examples you gave do not point to prayer being reason for the show or power, something that would clearly contradict God's own Laws where His people are concerned.

Kobojunkie:
We are not saying the same things. The examples you gave do not point to prayer being reason for the show or power, something that would clearly contradict God's own Laws where His people are concerned.

Okay... Bye