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Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 5:58pm On May 02, 2015 |
truthman2012: Lmao! I'm not going to answer any question of yours until you answer mine. Did I quote Muhammad here? Did Muhammad write the bible? What's your obsession with Muhammad? This is about the facts at hand, which is two verses from the bible are giving different accounts of the same event, that's a head on head collision. Why? |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by MrPresident1: 6:04pm On May 02, 2015 |
OP, the Bible is written in such a way that only the living will understand it. The dead will never understand it. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 6:09pm On May 02, 2015 |
MrPresident1: Lol! That's not an explanation, the same event given two different narrations. And both narrations make it into the bible, who is lying? Don't give me that living or dead rubbish that's BS. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by MrPresident1: 6:10pm On May 02, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: The 'dead', being unwise, cannot understand the Bible. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 6:12pm On May 02, 2015 |
MrPresident1: Lol! You just keep telling yourself that mate. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 6:29pm On May 02, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:God is eternally, essentially Good. The second reference in its context referred to a nation that had ,"forsaken the Lord ... saying to a stock, thou art my father; and to a stone,thou hast brought me forth" a nation that were "wise to do evil" and every one neighed after his neighbor's wife". A nation that was told by God to," ask for the... good paths ...but they said we will not walk therein".(culled from Jeremiah). Now Judgment was pronounced with the expectation that that will make them repent but they refused! God's goodness is not the same as indulgence while we spurn all warnings in impenitence else the devil should be given an unreserved apology. Nineveh was just as bad, but when they repented, they were spared. Indeed God is good. The Lord fights to deliver His people from their enemies and gives peace to His people. No contradiction there! The Lord delivers His people from guilt and restores peace in their hearts. Perfect redemption that! Joseph was the son of Jacob and son-in-law to Heli. It was genealogical practice to include son-in-law in wife's family tree. Israel was an inheritance-conscious nation. see Numbers 36:8 Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:The omission of a name does not necessarily mean contradiction. The real contradiction will be if it had said they had to enlist the services of the Roman soldiers to roll away the stone in one book, and said an angel did so in another. Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?Philippians 2:6,7,"Who being in the Form of God...made Himself of no reputation and took upon Him the form of a Servant..." This explains the reason for John 14:28. Jesus is the Son of God and Son of Man. The beasts were created before the man see Genesis 1:26," Let Us make man in our Image, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle..." The animals were in existence b4 Adam. Gen 2:19 only summarised what was in Chapter 1 Genesis 7:9 explains the two being referred to viz: There went in two and two..., the male and the female..." while vs 2 referred to 7 pairs of clean, 2 pairs of unclean. I am trying to study this but my perception is that the one used the actual no of horses while the other counted in groups. Eg Mr A says I saw 5 bouquets of flowers each containing 4 while B may say I saw 20 bouquets of flowers. The latter statement is trying to say he saw 20 flowers and uses the word bouquet used to refer to a collection of flowers while the former statement clarifies it. Note that the first quote says stall of horses while the other counts stalls for horses A check on the contexts will reveal that the last two verses refer to the knowledge and understanding and wisdom obtained from secular/academic learning, while the first reference refers to the wisdom mentioned in Job 28:28," ...behold the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom" and also to the Wisdom of God as revealed in the the Redemption provided through Christ. Yes but if the son continues in the sin of his father, he will be judged and that is what Babylon, for whom the first reference was written for, was guilty of. Isa 14:4,6,22,"thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon...how has the oppressor ceased! he who ...ruled the nations in anger... for I will rise up against them, and cut off from Babylon" Now Nebuchadnezzar was once the king of Babylon (and Israel his captives) but he repented after a remedial judgement came but his grandson Belshazzar (Daniel 5:1,2,18,21,22) who took over from him went a step further and did what even his granddad never dared and judgement came in proximate fulfilment of Isaiah 14. Genesis 2:19 summarises the events of chapter 1. By the way, is it not possible that some were from water while others were from the earth? After all, Gen 1:20 talks of fowls that will fly in the firmament alone but we all know that not all fowls fly! First quote has been verified by those who visited outer space. The second quote refers to the surface of the earth i.e. terra firma, on where we are. The imagery used by Job is that of building. Where is the contradictory verse here? Yes a person is meek when what is at stake is his right,privilege etc as shown in Moses attitude to his sister's accusation: no self defense or assertion of superiority. But this meekness becomes man-pleasing weakness when a commandment given by God is disobeyed and he , being the leader, turns a blind eye. How do you define meekness? Perishes used in the second quote simply refers to death. Luke 6:18,19 shows what happened after they came to the plain. Verse 20 is another paragraph which reports another occurrence. Jesus' last wordsYes , He said all those on the Cross. That is why we have four Gospels. They are complementary. One reports what might have been left out by the other. the first quote shows God's displeasure against Israel due to sin and God allowed the adversary to do certain things as the second quote shows. The hedge was broken and a serpent struck.Ecclesiastes 10:8b This is a repetition.It has been answered on another thread and in a previous question above. As far back as Numbers 11:8," With him will I speak mouth to mouth...and the Similitude of the Lord shall he behold..." Besides,your last quote already clarifies John 1:18 CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:This is a repetition. it has been answered in one of the preceding questions. Tempts?Hebrews 11:17, clarifies what the context of the first quote reveals to any unbiased mind,"By faith, Abraham, when he was TRIED..." The last verse describes what must have happened when he was to be buried. Judas , no doubt would have remained on that tree for quite a time. The sabbath was near and the passover was just rounding up and at such time no jew will touch a dead body. Kindly check the religious section for this topic: Confusion: was Jesus the First Person to Enter Heaven after His Resurrection? What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?The first reference clarifies everything, the cock was to crow once in the meanwhile Peter would deny Christ. Who killed SaulSaul killed himself but the 'him' in the last quote referred to an Amalekite who claimed to have killed Saul perhaps to gain favour see 2 Samuel 4:10 ," when one told me saying, Behold, Saul is dead thinking to have brought good tidings...thought that i would have given him a reward for his tidings. 1 Like |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 6:55pm On May 02, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Scholar8200, you are the first christian to produce an understandable explanation for some of these contradictions, I agree there might be MIS interpretations on my part, but in most cases, what you've done is pick one verse without any giving any reason why you're rejecting the other. Typical selective morality, you pick out the one that suits you and fits into your theory but reject others. But I must say you've cleared doubts about one or two of these contradictions, while others you just danced around or washed. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 7:01pm On May 02, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:Do point out the culprits; I will be glad to make myself clear. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 7:29pm On May 02, 2015 |
Scholar8200: your claims about who was created first, beast or man.You just quoted other verses that said beast was created before man, what about the verses that say man was created before beast as in Gen 2:19? Your explanation on that was not an explanation at all. You still haven't explained why I'm verse verse jesus says God is greater than him and in another claims They are one. Your explanation about how many pairs of animals went into the ark is well...bs! One talks about clean beasts in sevens, then the other says both clean and unclean were in twos?? The part about the sins of the father, well you were just babbling there. And the part about Jesus' last words, how many last words can a person have? One persons says this is his last words and another says it's another? Who is lying there? The part about David's anger well you are twisting that. One Verse clearly states God moved him against the Israelites and the other states the Israelites were the ones who incited his anger? I would also like to know about the genealogy of Jesus which you claim to have been refuted.The part about whether man can see God or not, come'on mate, that's just gibberish, I don't think anything can save you from that. Some parts you claim to have been refuted somewhere else. This were the ones I had time to dig out. Goodluck |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by sonmvayina(m): 7:37pm On May 02, 2015 |
it is so pathetic when i see people trying to make sense out of non sense..... |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by khaylee(m): 9:18pm On May 02, 2015 |
@EzioAuditore, Do you know why more Muslims are being Converted every day? It's becos a Christians approaches a non-christian with the Good News of Christ and what he/she tends to benefit from being saved through that Good News. On the other hand, a Muslim will try to convince a non Muslim either by force or by trying to list out so called contradictions in d Bible rather than state what is to be gained by following Allah. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Scholar8200(m): 10:21pm On May 02, 2015 |
EzioAuditore:The reference I made to God's declaration that the man to be created will have dominion over the fish of the sea, fowl of the air etc Shows that those animals were already created b4 the making of man. Like I said Genesis 2:19 is a summary of chapter 1. You still haven't explained why I'm verse verse jesus says God is greater than him and in another claims They are one.The verse I quoted showed clearly that though He was One with the Father, yet He made Himself in the likeness of man and became a Servant meaning the reference that the Father was greater than Himself was said after the same pattern of humbling Himself and becoming obedient unto death. Another example is John 1:1,3 shows that all things were made by Him but 5:19 shows that He came to earth stripped of the glory of Deity Your explanation about how many pairs of animals went into the ark is well...bs! One talks about clean beasts in sevens, then the other says both clean and unclean were in twos??Genesis 7:9 clearly shows that the twos being referred to in verse 9 is that of the animals being male and female. I believe reading the text should clear all doubts. The part about the sins of the father, well you were just babbling there.Fine. The facts are verifiable though. Further clarifications can be gleaned from Ezekiel 18 And the part about Jesus' last words, how many last words can a person have? One persons says this is his last words and another says it's another? Who is lying there?No one is lying. Like I said that is why we have four gospels. Each was written to a different audience and they complement each other. Now John wrote that Jesus while on the cross committed the care of His mother to a disciple. That no other gospel says this does not mean it did not happen. That John's gospel was silent about the transfiguration does not mean it never took place! And the omission of the sermon on the mount by John and Mark does not mean others were lying! The part about David's anger well you are twisting that. One Verse clearly states God moved him against the Israelites and the other states the Israelites were the ones who incited his anger?The other did not state that the Israelites incited David but satan did hence my quote on breaking a hedge. I would also like to know about the genealogy of Jesus which you claim to have been refuted.I gave a reply to a similar question you posted. You repeated that. The part about whether man can see God or not, come'on mate, that's just gibberish, I don't think anything can save you from that.No problem but realise that the place I quoted which explains your question was spoken by God Himself Some parts you claim to have been refuted somewhere else.Yes like the issue of going to Heaven. All those whose life pleased God from Adam up till the thief on the cross, went to Paradise, also called the Third Heaven in 2 Corinth 12:2,4. Between paradise and hell is a great gulf Luke 16:22,23,26 The Heaven Jesus referred to is the one in Matthew 5:34 where God's Throne and the River of Life is John 1:18. This were the ones I had time to dig out. GoodluckAlright. 1 Like |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by mustymatic(m): 10:27pm On May 02, 2015 |
truthman2012:Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 69:ŮŽ A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by Nobody: 10:37pm On May 02, 2015 |
khaylee: And even more christians are converting everyday. Other christians are becoming atheists so do you want to crunch the maths? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Choke on that. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by sonmvayina(m): 12:21pm On May 03, 2015 |
i want to attempt an explanantion from the little i know...the bible has been called a library, and rightly so, it is..it is a collection of books on diferent topics..theology, peotry, prose,legends, myths....fictions, non fictions..etc... these things where written and where inspired by different things or God, i sinceely doubt that the god who inspired the genesis account is the same one that inspired the books of jeremaih. they where written for different audiences and different times in history. the original language they where written was not english, and i bet you the original will have the proper names of these gods..it was the romans and greeks who came accross it first and saw the need to publish it, and when the church started growing and was now the dominant religion decided to choose the ones that will be used by them. after a series of ''all in favour say yeh'' they put together a canon, and before they could be publish decided to harmonise it, all the names representing a deity was called ''GOD''..and to differenciate it from another one, they used words such as ''most high. lord god, the lord..these are all clearly different dieties... so the contracdiction is as a result of several factors as stated above.. it is of no use trying to reconcile them..as they where written from different perspective, and different times, and sometimes the stories might have change as they pass it on by oral tradition. and sometimes in other to fill in the gap they invent stories.. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by sonmvayina(m): 12:31pm On May 03, 2015 |
again too, there was no printing press in those days...so if u wanted a copy of any book, you have to copy it by hand one letter, one word, one sentence at a time, or pay somebody to copy for you. and if you come accross a word you do not know some times they fill it with their own word, e ,g the missleading text in the book of issiah, about a virgin being with child...and people centuries later says it refers to mary.. so a lot of mistakes where made while copying, and if somebody was also trying to copy fom a copy with mistake will also make his own mistake...so you see, how contracditios can arise.. to solve the matter, the vatican should bring the original copies...for scolars to verify..that will mean opening their secret achieves, i dont think that is every going to happen. |
Re: Blatant Contradictions In The Bible by johnw74: 2:09am On May 11, 2015 |
EzioAuditore: I am sure that none of the Bible writers are lying, perhaps possibly mistaken at times? I don't know about that, maybe what looks like contradictions can be explained, even I can explain some. God is perfect, but man isn't. Some say that God creating light in Gen 1:3 and God creating lights in verse 14 is a contradiction. But it isn't. God bought about light itself in verse 3, whereas in verse 14 God created lights, being the Sun and other lumanaries (planets that reflect the Sun's light). God caused there to be light in verse 3, and in verse 14 God created the sun etc. The light of verse 3 is perhaps the light of God's own Glory (let there be light). Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light. Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to divide between the day and the night. And let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth. And it was so. Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the smaller light to rule the night, and the stars also. Gen 1:17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night; and to divide between the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good. In the end, it will be in the reverse order, the Sun and moon and stars will be taken away, Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And again the light will be from the Glory of God. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. |
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