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How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 10:56pm On May 10, 2015
1. Remove the limit put on states on the amount of megawatts of power they can generate.

2. Scrap the useless National Grid Idea for all new power projects in the states. So henceforth all states will generate and distribute dia own power, not generate and send some to nonsense national grid.

3. Give each state a target of 1,000MW minimum power generation each.

4. Encourage the use of local source of materials for constructing the power plants so as to create employment and help our economy.

So if each state generates 1,000MW by 2019, we will have 36,000MW of power in Nigeria. An average power plant can be built in 3yrs so dis is fvcking achievable.

I think I red sth like dis in dia manifesto. Day ought to follow dis tru so we can finally have light.

Smart guys in d house, u can add ur ideas to dis.

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by jamex93(m): 10:57pm On May 10, 2015
fire all corrupt NEPA staff
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by ab1x: 11:04pm On May 10, 2015
We should stop the importation of generator sets

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by tit(f): 11:11pm On May 10, 2015
rudebouy:
1. Remove the limit put on states on the amount of megawatts of power they can generate.

2. Scrap the useless National Grid Idea for all new power projects in the states. So henceforth all states will generate and distribute dia own power, not generate and send some to nonsense national grid.

3. Give each state a target of 1,000MW minimum power generation each.

4. Encourage the use of local source of materials for constructing the power plants so as to create employment and help our economy.

So if each state generates 1,000MW by 2019, we will have 36,000MW of power in Nigeria. An average power plant can be built in 3yrs so dis is fvcking achievable.

I think I red sth like dis in dia manifesto. Day ought to follow dis tru so we can finally have light.

Smart guys in d house, u can add ur ideas to dis.

every family should generate 500MW!

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by hadura29(m): 11:23pm On May 10, 2015
Repairing n maintaining all old transformers, protection of gas pipelines. Lastly, transparency in the administrative departmentment.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by satelliteDISH(m): 11:32pm On May 10, 2015
ab1x:
We should stop the importation of generator sets
O boy, let their b light first b4 u say bye bye to generators.

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by ab1x: 11:44pm On May 10, 2015
satelliteDISH:

O boy, let their b light first b4 u say bye bye to generators.



I feel if we can stop the importation of generator sets, then we can all come to the drawing board to find a lasting solution to the epileptic power supply.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nzeobi(m): 11:50pm On May 10, 2015
Op nigeria needs people like you am impressed

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 11:53pm On May 10, 2015
1. Remove the limit put on states on the amount of megawatts of power they can generate.

I agree. It doesn't make sense to limit generation


2. Scrap the useless National Grid Idea for all new power projects in the states. So henceforth all states will generate and distribute dia own power, not generate and send some to nonsense national grid.

I disagree. Power generated in states cannot be distributed without the existing network. Also, a grid system can ride through electrical faults/transients easily.


3. Give each state a target of 1,000MW minimum power generation each.

I disagree. The easiest way to generate power is by using CCGT. The G there is the problem. Not all the states have gas gathering/storage facility, so this wont work.


4. Encourage the use of local source of materials for constructing the power plants so as to create employment and help our economy.
I tend to agree but the feasibility/practicality is debatable. Also, this wont fix our immediate power shortage due to time required for new designs to mature.

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by netotse(m): 12:57am On May 11, 2015
rudebouy:
1. Remove the limit put on states on the amount of megawatts of power they can generate.

2. Scrap the useless National Grid Idea for all new power projects in the states. So henceforth all states will generate and distribute dia own power, not generate and send some to nonsense national grid.

3. Give each state a target of 1,000MW minimum power generation each.

4. Encourage the use of local source of materials for constructing the power plants so as to create employment and help our economy.

So if each state generates 1,000MW by 2019, we will have 36,000MW of power in Nigeria. An average power plant can be built in 3yrs so dis is fvcking achievable.

I think I red sth like dis in dia manifesto. Day ought to follow dis tru so we can finally have light.

Smart guys in d house, u can add ur ideas to dis.
Oga, you don't seem to know what the problem of power sector is sef, I don't even know where to start from. The problems we have are a mixture of engineering, economics, finance and law.

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 8:33am On May 11, 2015
netotse:

Oga, you don't seem to know what the problem of power sector is sef, I don't even know where to start from. The problems we have are a mixture of engineering, economics, finance and law.

Bros, abeg tell me wot the problems of the power sector are mbok? I want to learn from the master.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 8:45am On May 11, 2015
nuesaweso:


I disagree. Power generated in states cannot be distributed without the existing network. Also, a grid system can ride through electrical faults/transients easily.


Does america, russia and brazil use a national grid system? Why do we enjoy making simple tins difficult in naija sef?

I disagree. The easiest way to generate power is by using CCGT. The G there is the problem. Not all the states have gas gathering/storage facility, so this wont work.


Baba, Brazil has oil but abt 70% of dia power is from renewable energy - water. Abi is water and sun hard to find again in naija. Solar power can power d north becos d north has hot sun. Hydro power can power d south-west, south-east and south-south.

To me, its dat simple.

I tend to agree but the feasibility/practicality is debatable. Also, this wont fix our immediate power shortage due to time required for new designs to mature.

Nothing can be achieved in dis country if we all hav such a mindset.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 12:36pm On May 11, 2015
The business of privatisation of power generation and distribution is complex because it's multi-disciplinary. As someone rightly pointed out, a typical functional commercial power system will normally balance on the technical, commercial & legal tripod.
Technical - Covers choice of technology for generation, transmission, distribution, engineering related issues etc
Commercial - Finance (equity or debt), Capex, Opex, Metering, life extension etc
Legal - Conflicts management, liquidated damages, service credits etc.
Lastly, you would require some form of Regulatory body usually a Govt body (OfGem in the UK) which oversees the activities of private companies.

I won't expand on each of the emboldened above here as I'm sure there are many literatures out there covering that; but you can begin to have a feel of how many interfaces required to have a functional privatised energy sector. The mistake we all make is we focus only on the technical side.

Does america, russia and brazil use a national grid system? Why do we enjoy making simple tins difficult in naija sef?

All these countries do have some form of grid system. America has regional grid system and you would appreciate that due to the geographical size of the country, it's difficult (not impossible) to have a national grid system. Russia has a national grid system which is interconnected with Norway. They also have a sub-grid system that connects remote areas. These countries have nuclear power plant, and there is no way you can operate a nuclear power plant without a grid system.

A grid system offers your electrical network reliability and resilience. Imagine if the only generator connected to a city suffers an electrical fault or out for planned maintenance, how would you reconnect the city with some form of grid system? What I would expect is for us to move towards a smart grid system, which allows distributed generation to be connected at different voltage levels. We can deal with other technical problems like harmonics, Rocof etc later

Baba, Brazil has oil but abt 70% of dia power is from renewable energy - water. Abi is water and sun hard to find again in naija. Solar power can power d north becos d north has hot sun. Hydro power can power d south-west, south-east and south-south.

To me, its dat simple.


Baba, Nigeria could boast of almost proportional hydroelectric power - sure you've heard of Mambilla. Same problem, never works! For other forms of renewable power, our grid is just not robust enough and we would suffer more if we connect these volatile and intermittent renewable sources (wind, solar) to the grid. However, I accept that this could form part of the long term solution.

The reason I mentioned CCGT is because we all know we have readily available gas that can be monetised locally. You can get a new CCGT 1GW ready in about 24 months, and this can literally be "copied" & "pasted" around the country with the right infrastructure and site-specific modifications. For me, this is our short term fix. Also, CCGTs can be used for both base load & peak load unlike hydroelectric.

Nothing can be achieved in dis country if we all hav such a mindset.
My point is we don't need to reinvent the wheel or try to be too clever when there are cheap, proven and available solutions to our problem.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 11:14pm On May 11, 2015
rudebouy:

Bros, abeg tell me wot the problems of the power sector are mbok? I want to learn from the master.

Hope the above helps.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 11:26pm On May 11, 2015
nuesaweso:


The reason I mentioned CCGT is because we all know we have readily available gas that can be monetised locally. You can get a new CCGT 1GW ready in about 24 months.


Madam, u sound like an engineer tru tru ohcheesy. Mbok can u tell me wia and when 1 Gigawatts of electricity was generated within 24 months? Am super-curious! shocked
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rocgirl: 11:55pm On May 11, 2015
Suprisingly, the secret to permanently solving Nigeria's lingering power issues is to generate above the nation's required power capacity .
Just that, and everything else falls into place!

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 12:06am On May 12, 2015
rudebouy:

Madam, u sound like an engineer tru tru ohcheesy. Mbok can u tell me wia and when 1 Gigawatts of electricity was generated within 24 months? Am super-curious! shocked

Modern CCGTs are now modular packaged. I know siemens have been successful with pushing their designs & I can bet Alstom and GE can compete with them too.

For example is below, copied and pasted from internet

"Irsching 5 was commissioned in May 2010 after two years of construction. It is an 847MW CCGT with efficiency above 60%. The new SGT5-8000H is the world's largest and most powerful turbine. The order was approximately worth ?450m. The natural gas plant will supply power to a population equal to the size of Hamburg."

http://www.power-technology.com/projects/irsching/
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 12:09am On May 12, 2015
nuesaweso:


Modern CCGTs are now modular packaged. I know siemens have been successful with pushing their designs & I can bet Alstom and GE can compete with them too.

For example is below, copied and pasted from internet

"Irsching 5 was commissioned in May 2010 after two years of construction. It is an 847MW CCGT with efficiency above 60%. The new SGT5-8000H is the world's largest and most powerful turbine. The order was approximately worth ?450m. The natural gas plant will supply power to a population equal to the size of Hamburg."

http://www.power-technology.com/projects/irsching/

Tanx. But dis is 8000MW na. Am talking abt 1GW madam, u sed it urself oh! Mbok show working na?
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 12:13am On May 12, 2015
rocgirl:
Suprisingly, the secret to permanently solving Nigeria's lingering power issues is to generate above the nation's required power capacity .
Just that, and everything else falls into place!

Hehe...what capacity are talking about? Transmission capacity or demand "capacity"?

Who would pay for the excess? Remember power generated cannot be stored, hence why constant balancing mechanism is required i.e. active- reactive power variation for peak load and base load etc. So if you think commercially, why would i invest in an equipment which cant generate power to make money because its excess to requirement?

I think we need to organise some free evening lectures so people can gain awareness of the power sector.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by nuesaweso(f): 12:17am On May 12, 2015
rudebouy:

Tanx. But dis is 8000MW na. Am talking abt 1GW madam, u sed it urself oh! Mbok show working na?

Oga, are you having a laugh? 1GW is 1000MW. I've shown you random example of 847MW. You still want the evidence for difference of 153MW, really?

Forgive me but I doubt if you're an Engr.

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Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by EMANY01(m): 12:34am On May 12, 2015
rudebouy:
1. Remove the limit put on states on the amount of megawatts of power they can generate.

2. Scrap the useless National Grid Idea for all new power projects in the states. So henceforth all states will generate and distribute dia own power, not generate and send some to nonsense national grid.

3. Give each state a target of 1,000MW minimum power generation each.

4. Encourage the use of local source of materials for constructing the power plants so as to create employment and help our economy.

. [size=18pt]An So if each state generates 1,000MW by 2019, we will have 36,000MW of power in Nigeriaaverage power plant can be built in 3yrs so dis is fvcking achievable.[/size]

I think I red sth like dis in dia manifesto. Day ought to follow dis tru so we can finally have light.

Smart guys in d house, u can add ur ideas to dis.

i don't even know where to begin with you fantasy list.
I will only take the item in bold :You want to build 36 1,000 MW power plants in four years or well lets say 28 given that about eight states have have mostly met or are well on their way to meet that requirement in Four years........
Setting aside the engineering challenges enormous as they are have you thought of the procurement and supply line challenges?
The apc crew will find out that propaganda has its limits REAL LIFE ENGINEERING AND SOCIAL/PROJECT AND FINANCING CHALLENGES, WILL NOT BEND TO PROPAGANDA..

rudebouy:

Madam, u sound like an engineer tru tru ohcheesy. Mbok can u tell me wia and when 1 Gigawatts of electricity was generated within 24 months? Am super-curious! shocked
After reading that post , i was beginning to wonder if i went to the wrong school for my engineering degree.

netotse:

Oga, you don't seem to know what the problem of power sector is sef, I don't even know where to start from. The problems we have are a mixture of engineering, economics, finance and law.

I have gotten tired of explaining reality to people, i just listen to their "EXPERT OPINIONS" manage not to cringe while they talk and smile afterwards trying to educate them will do you no good.If i have learnt anything from Nairaland/Nigerians,during these elections , it is that Nigerians will not be rational enough to listen to informed opinions.The politicians , they are worse; If you recall prior to the elections ,the present Vice-President Elect talked about solving the power challenge by creating distributed power hubs modeled on the current Lagos model of tiny power plants(i call them generators cos they are nothing more than that) and then trucking the gas(not even natural gas) for those generators all over the country I gave up that day.
I haven't seen you on Nairaland for a long while hope all goes well.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by faceURfront(m): 2:41am On May 12, 2015
nuesaweso:



How can u deploy a CCGT plant in the north economically?
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by Anyi3(m): 3:06am On May 12, 2015
nuesaweso:


Oga, are you having a laugh? 1GW is 1000MW. I've shown you random example of 847MW. You still want the evidence for difference of 153MW, really?

Forgive me but I doubt if you're an Engr.

Forgive me but from your comments on this thread, are you single and open? cheesy
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 7:26am On May 12, 2015
nuesaweso:


Oga, are you having a laugh? 1GW is 1000MW. I've shown you random example of 847MW. You still want the evidence for difference of 153MW, really?

Forgive me but I doubt if you're an Engr.

Madam, I am not an engineer oh, am a social scientistcheesy and I wd appreciate if u educate me in d megawatts and gigawatts terminologies.

Meanwhile, I think naija needs 36,000 MW of power. Can dat be achieved in 24 months as u've cited?

Am open to tutelage, mbok tisher can u tish me?
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by gists: 5:13am On May 13, 2015
nuesaweso:
The business of privatisation of power generation and distribution is complex because it's multi-disciplinary. As someone rightly pointed out, a typical functional commercial power system will normally balance on the technical, commercial & legal tripod.
Technical - Covers choice of technology for generation, transmission, distribution, engineering related issues etc
Commercial - Finance (equity or debt), Capex, Opex, Metering, life extension etc
Legal - Conflicts management, liquidated damages, service credits etc.
Lastly, you would require some form of Regulatory body usually a Govt body (OfGem in the UK) which oversees the activities of private companies.

I won't expand on each of the emboldened above here as I'm sure there are many literatures out there covering that; but you can begin to have a feel of how many interfaces required to have a functional privatised energy sector. The mistake we all make is we focus only on the technical side.

Does america, russia and brazil use a national grid system? Why do we enjoy making simple tins difficult in naija sef?

All these countries do have some form of grid system. America has regional grid system and you would appreciate that due to the geographical size of the country, it's difficult (not impossible) to have a national grid system. Russia has a national grid system which is interconnected with Norway. They also have a sub-grid system that connects remote areas. These countries have nuclear power plant, and there is no way you can operate a nuclear power plant without a grid system.

A grid system offers your electrical network reliability and resilience. Imagine if the only generator connected to a city suffers an electrical fault or out for planned maintenance, how would you reconnect the city with some form of grid system? What I would expect is for us to move towards a smart grid system, which allows distributed generation to be connected at different voltage levels. We can deal with other technical problems like harmonics, Rocof etc later

Baba, Brazil has oil but abt 70% of dia power is from renewable energy - water. Abi is water and sun hard to find again in naija. Solar power can power d north becos d north has hot sun. Hydro power can power d south-west, south-east and south-south.

To me, its dat simple.


Baba, Nigeria could boast of almost proportional hydroelectric power - sure you've heard of Mambilla. Same problem, never works! For other forms of renewable power, our grid is just not robust enough and we would suffer more if we connect these volatile and intermittent renewable sources (wind, solar) to the grid. However, I accept that this could form part of the long term solution.

The reason I mentioned CCGT is because we all know we have readily available gas that can be monetised locally. You can get a new CCGT 1GW ready in about 24 months, and this can literally be "copied" & "pasted" around the country with the right infrastructure and site-specific modifications. For me, this is our short term fix. Also, CCGTs can be used for both base load & peak load unlike hydroelectric.

Nothing can be achieved in dis country if we all hav such a mindset.
My point is we don't need to reinvent the wheel or try to be too clever when there are cheap, proven and available solutions to our problem.
God Bless you my sister. I couldn't have said it better.
We need more educated opinions like yours in this country.
You may want to also contribute to this thread http://www.nairaland.com/2308462/buhari-govt-eyeing-lagos-template/6#33671990
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by gmaribel(m): 5:30am On May 13, 2015
Many sceptics raise their heads whenever power is discussed that's why we are still in darkness today.

The national grid is why we don't have steady power today it makes no sense as it is.

It is easily prone to fail and because of its sheer size difficult to maintain or upgrade.

It should be modified to make it more efficient. OP you have my thumbs up.

Left to some people we will continue to do things as they were done since 1200 BC.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 7:19am On May 13, 2015
nuesaweso:


Oga, are you having a laugh? 1GW is 1000MW. I've shown you random example of 847MW. You still want the evidence for difference of 153MW, really?

Forgive me but I doubt if you're an Engr.

Engineer, I asked u a question and u havent showed up yet. Hope say u neva abandon me? I still want learn from you oh!
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 11:55pm On Jul 18, 2015
nuesaweso:


Hope the above helps.

Pls do you know the MW limit placed on states by the FG dat state can generate?
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by netotse(m): 7:01pm On Jul 19, 2015
rudebouy:


Pls do you know the MW limit placed on states by the FG dat state can generate?

there isn't any limit
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 8:37pm On Jul 19, 2015
netotse:


there isn't any limit

Ah! Ah! But when Fashola was building his 10/12 MW capacity power plants, he sed sth like " dis is wot we are allowed to do according to the law".

Wot does dat imply?
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by netotse(m): 8:58pm On Jul 19, 2015
rudebouy:


Ah! Ah! But when Fashola was building his 10/12 MW capacity power plants, he sed sth like " dis is wot we are allowed to do according to the law".

Wot does dat imply?

if you meet the requirements for a license you will be granted it doesn't matter whether you're a state or local govt, it's extremely likely they had other constraints (e.g. funding or fuel supply) that led to whatever restriction Fashola was referring to.
Re: How Buhari Can Solve Naija's Power Problem In 4 Years. by rudebouy: 9:08pm On Jul 19, 2015
netotse:


if you meet the requirements for a license you will be granted it doesn't matter whether you're a state or local govt, it's extremely likely they had other constraints (e.g. funding or fuel supply) that led to whatever restriction Fashola was referring to.

Are you for real, so you mean a state can decide to build a 3,000MW capacity plant on its own and FG will not interfer?

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