1 John 2:19 "They WENT OUT FROM US, but they WERE NOT OF US, for if they had been for us they would have CONTINUED WITH US; BUT THEY WENT OUT THAT IT MIGHT BE PLAIN THAT THEY ALL ARE NOT OF US"

Hebrew 6:4-6 " For it is IMPOSSIBLE to RESTORE AGAIN to repentance those who have ONCE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, who have tasted the heavenly gift and have become partakers of the Holy spirit and have tasted THE GOODNESS OF THE WORD OF GOD and the power of the age to come, IF THEY THEN COMMIT 'APOSTASY' since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt" -RSV

What is God's decision concerning Apostasy both in the time of the Law commandment and during the Early christian Era.

RikoduoSennin:
1 John 2:19 "They WENT OUT FROM US, but they WERE NOT OF US, for if they had been for us they would have CONTINUED WITH US; BUT THEY WENT OUT THAT IT MIGHT BE PLAIN THAT THEY ALL ARE NOT OF US"

Hebrew 6:4-6 " For it is IMPOSSIBLE to RESTORE AGAIN to repentance those who have ONCE BEEN ENLIGHTENED, who have tasted the heavenly gift and have become partakers of the Holy spirit and have tasted THE GOODNESS OF THE WORD OF GOD and the power of the age to come, IF THEY THEN COMMIT 'APOSTASY' since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt" -RSV

What is God's decision concerning Apostasy both in the time of the Law commandment and during the Early christian Era.

Disfellowshipping/Expulsion IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES. In order to maintain God's favor and to be used by Him and to represent Him, the congregation must remain clean. Otherwise, God would expel or cut off the entire congregation. (Re 2:5; 1Co 5:5, 6.)

Examples and precedents have been set by the apostle Paul when he ordered the expulsion of an incestuous fornicator who had taken his father's wife. (1 Cor. 5:5, 11, 13) He also exercised disfellowshipping authority against Hymenaeus and Alexander. (1 Tim. 1:19, 20)

The Christian congregation is ADMONISHED BY SCRIPTURE to stop socializing with those who are disorderly and not walking correctly but who are not deemed deserving of complete expulsion. Paul wrote: "Stop associating with him, that he may be ashamed. And yet do not be considering him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother." (2 Thess. 3:6, 11, 13-15).

The Bible mentions some of the offenses that could merit disfellowshipping from the Christian congregation: fornication, adultery, homosexuality, greed, extortion, thievery, lying, drunkenness, reviling, spiritism, murder, idiolatry, apostasy, and the causing of divisions in the congregation. (1Cor. 5:9-13; 6:9,10; Tit. 3:10,11; Rev. 21: As a protection to the congregation, preventing it from becoming harsh and unforgiving, the principle enunciated in the law applies that that two or three witnesses must establish evidence against the accused one; and also for those who have been expelled, they may be received back into the congregation if they demonstrate sincere repentance. (2 Co 2:5-8; (1 Tim. 5:19)

MizMyColi:
I may not have biblical proof portending my stance that it is humanly wrong to dismiss anyone from "God's" presence, but I have a spirit in me, a spirit that gives me understanding.
For that I unequivocally declare it is wrong.

The reason most people go to church isn't really to find God, but to fellowship (be with other fellows in a ship) based on the knowledge that you share similar values.

I remember a place in the scriptures where Jesus said No one who comes to me will I in ANYWISE cast out.
I grew up with lotsa guilt preachings. I was taught that I needed to do this and that to win God's Favour.
Well, to a large extent, that God doesn't exist in my life anymore. I wish I could address my knowledge of God now in totally different terms from what we have these days in Christian circles.


I don't go to church. I don't read the bible.
I can imagine the number of folks who on reading this must have condemned me to the hottest part of hell.

I desire fellowship too, people who share my ideals on unhinged freedom, who do not concern themselves so much as to how I live my life. A place where we come as we are. Where acceptance, living, life and love reigns supreme. I desire a place where there are no structures, where one doesn't feel like he deserves to be worshipped because he's seemingly better than me. I don't wanna feel like I'm under the control of or answerable to someone whom I share no blood or marital ties with.

I just wanna be free to be me.
To live, to learn, to succeed, gaffe and just know that it's okay because I'm eternally accepted.
I want a place that's devoid of judgement, where I'm not constantly under the tortorous teachings of hell and how God will punish the lot who dissent.
Away from dogmas and doctrines of every kind.
I admit that we, virtually all of us, have a screwed view of God. What irks me is how we are willing to go to war for the version/brand of God we think of as correct, most times losing our humanity in the process.


If you know of any fellowship with these specifications in Nigeria, please let me know.

For now, fellowshipping with a plethora of humans like I do on NL and other social media and more importantly, my family and a few close friends is enough.
The God dimension within me is enough.

I'm sorry if this comes off as derailing.
The thread got me attracted cos I saw the OP showing some humanity/deepness. I thought of it as a platform to bare my thoughts too.


Thanks for having me.

My darling, you represent the humanity I seek in this world. Being brief, I'd say I've observed how religious passions result in followers missing the point entirely. They end up devoid of humanity because they passionately follow what another man said and labelled as God. Such chaos. There are good people to be found behind many faces, but if one cannot believe in humanity (a word representing the essential qualities of being a good human) then what hope is there for God. Any human who condemns you is playing God, they should worry for themselves.

There is peace with you sister. Sorry for the very late reply, life

Flytefalls:


You know what, I'm going to request the pdfs from you guys please . I'll follow both of you now!

Hi there.

I forgot my earlier promise.

Here is a link to Captives of Conscience by Don Cameron. Hope you enjoy it.

http://www.solidfiles.com/d/10603ab96e/

Flytefalls:

She prays (She calls him God, not Jehovah anymore), she reads her bible, she doesn't attend a church, she tries to live in peace. She has absolutely no inclination of ever returning.

Her disfellowship meant she became the black sheep. She was never bad. Growing up with a disfellowshipped mother meant I never knew a lot of my maternal family until mid teens.

Are you a JW?

Oh, she now calls Him God, not Jehovah. Chai, when will people grow up? Ur mum never made the truth her own. So sad! This thing that the witnesses keep singing like a music. As such, I don't consider such people as true witnesses. Sorry to say that, she was not.

Even now, I don't weigh people just cos dey come into the kingdom hall,but I weigh u if u are convinced that what u have is the truth, not just because it is taught by the witnesses. That has been the slogan of the Gov Body for a long time now.

Now that ur mom started calling him God, not Jehovah. Tell me, scripturally,why God is the name of God? U can't stop believing something because u ve found another belief. There should be a scriptural reason, if not, it is unreasonable.

Oya, tell me madam. Convince me with the bible. If u are witness u don't just believe, u are given good biblical reasons to do so. If we are to vote ur mom correct, use ur bible and tell us.

No witness, who is a true well-groomed witness, will enter churches of xtendom. He may form a church of his own or stay without a church. Unless if that person just want to deceive himself.

Even if, I who left the church were to leave JWs, I can't go to any church available today, unless the church will appear in the future(and I doubt). Why? Cos if the witnesses are scoring 80% in terms of the bible, churches are still scoring 20%. And there 20% will forever stay stagnant or in estreme cases crawl, because there doctrines hardly change. They will keep choping falsehood without changing intil they die with it. From the research i ve done on this issue, that is very dangerous position.

However, the witnesses will keep improving there score as they humbly make changes. That is an invaluable asset.

So how can a right thinking person enter another church when he has been groomed to accept when there is a proof from the scriptures that a teaching is true? Which pastor will have time to prove a doctrine to u? I mean, if I am to enter another church, they will start by proving to me that whatever they teach there is true. And having got a reason for my belief as a witness u must be capable to disprove those my points. Who is ready to do that? Because I won't just say that what JWs teach is wrong just becos I left the religion. I didn't do so when i left the church. Though the truth is, in the church we largely swallow whatever u are taught than having a good biblical reason for it. I still observe that today, see a churchgoer now, and ask him for proof of what he believes, he will be there stammering. Smh.

Because witnesses have sound biblical reason for there faith, and they ever make research and discover more reasons for there belief. And they encourage there members to diligently study and convince themselves of a teaching, u can hardly expect them to swallow whatever u tell them. U must be ready to give reason for ur point.

Why the witnesses are hard to be 'won' in a discussion, is because they sincerely and thoroughly search for the truth. And each of there members are encouraged not to be gullible, but to make that truth there OWN.

Some say day, and I once said so too, that witnesses are taught to be argumentators/debators. No, the secret is that, each and everyone of them are taught to be convince of a position. Of course when u are convinced, u won't immediately accept what others say unless they bring up nice points contradicting yours. But if what u believe is the truth based on a thorough study, the other person will always get a better answer to all his query, and be moved to agree if he is sincere.

If u people in the church keep looking for a way to twist the bible, and get victory, u won't succeed. Some also get it wrong because they form there interpretation mostly on translationbof the bible. They don't have other background info.

Just like someone above talking about Jesus being worshipped. By the time a witness diacuss that with u, u 'll see why ur position is shortsighted.

milkymesh:
This thread got me digging the various material recommended here. I,ve almost read thru d crises of conscience, i,ve visited jwfact.com and many other materials and site. Believe me, all i saw is some disgruntled individual who felt short changed(i used this for lack of handy adj to qualify it) by the sanction they got after devoting most of their life to jw activities. Most if not all thesr guys supported or condoned without xomplaining when these sanctions were applied to others. Can franz, paul of jwfact.com deny that he never ostracize any individual to was excomm when he was a fire brand member.
Why is it that most devoted members who left find it diff to join other churches?

Please i want you to send me the book "crisis of conscience".my email is nlewedimorji@gmail.com.thanks a lot.

JuanDeDios:

Even Crisis of Conscience is available online, I think. I have a digital copy - can't recall how I got it, though. I can email it to Flytefalls if she wants.

Please do send me the book"captive of a concept".here is email nlewedimorji@gmail.com

jayriginal:


Permit me to wish you luck once again.

Meanwhile I would avoid trying to confront them. Don't go trying to prove they are in a cult or they are wrong.

Get your hands on those two books. I can send you the PDFs if you like. Someone else has also offered.

People go on the defensive when you confront them and in this case, they are trained to view confrontation as proof that they are on the right path. The best you can do is update yourself and wait for the opportune time which will come in form of a discussion.

You'll enjoy reading Captives of a Concept.

lastmessenger:
Please do send me the book"captive of a concept".here is email nlewedimorji@gmail.com

I've posted a link for download just a few posts up.

I feel blessed reading this.

Anas09:
As I read this OP, I feel pressed down in my spirit because I sensed that's how u feel and your mother after somany yrs is still seriously affected by what these people are doing to her. Pls let me ask you. As you well know, its all about Christ. Have u seriously sort out time to ask Jesus for urself about this whole issue? I feel if u have, really have a good talk, I mean a good talk with Christ, this issue will sort itself out. If you find christ, you'll help lift ur mother up from the state she is right now. She has allowed men to use the same Jesus who died for us individually to torment her and make her life mesirable. See my dear sister, Ask God questions, I mean sincere heartfelt questions. He answers. God speaks. When u encounter him for urself, you'll see, if they put the whole of the world's jws or any organization for that matter together against you. You won't see them. You are still burdened by religion. Pls in ur closed fine christ. He is as real as the next person. Am telling you this because I know. Life takes us through stages. I was naturally a seeker on a quest. I almost became a jw, I had those pple studying with me for a long while until they brought one watch tower one sunday with some question that got me really thinking and I went into the bible for myself and saw the twist. I left them, and almost got initiated into one tibetan easten religion. It got to point I decided to ask jesus some questions, he answered, but it took a sincere longing and thirsty heart. Today, I stand on a solid ground, I know who christ is, its not a religion, is not a denomination. Its christ. So you know. For a period of ten yrs, I was not able to walk so I had no choice but to read and be alone a lot with my thoughts. I cried out he heard me, he answered by himself. He answers. Keep religion aside. Open up to him. Forget everyone, its just you and him. He can't talk to u outside of the bible. Don't go to him with a precieved notion of what u think. Cry out to him. He answers. He answered me. Now nothing in this world matters to me. I know who I am now. It has nothing to do with where I worship.

JMAN05

So continually changing your beliefs is a sign that you are doing the right thing?

To me it sounds like a sign of uncertainty about past, present and future beliefs.

How that passes as truth is beyond me. Truth doesn't change.

Hello Flytefalls

Did you see the link I posted to Captives of a Concept?

jayriginal:
JMAN05

So continually changing your beliefs is a sign that you are doing the right thing?

To me it sounds like a sign of uncertainty about past, present and future beliefs.

How that passes as truth is beyond me. Truth doesn't change.

If there is no good basis for those changes, then u have a reason to be uncertain. Those changes are not planned, it comes as a result of a thorough study of the scriptures. That a teaching is fallible does not mean that it is perforce wrong.

Truth does not change, but it comes progressively, and as we know the light gets brighter, we keep moving with an open mind, not close-minded, to wherever the spirit leads us. Prov 4;18

God's word indicates that the true knowledge will be abundant when people search for it. Dan 12:4. What if those who do the reading are close-minded? That is a big problem.

Now, that many choose not to change their church teaching does not mean those teachings are true. In fact, some among them will see that the doctrine is wrong, but they won't change cos they claim infallibility or that they fear loosing face. To change is not easy, it requires humility. Great one at that. There must be changes, and even Paul stated it, 1cor. 13:9-10. That some refuse to change heresies, which has long been proven wrong, is a dangerous sign.

Jehovah is interested in those who love truth, not a teaching, and who will be humble to change if they observe they are wrong. It is not whether u ve succeeded in knowing it all, but as u discover, do u make changes and live by what u discover? If u have that quality that shows just love the truth, u are really a teachable fellow. When God finally shows u the right understanding, u ve displayed beyond doubt that u are ready to accept. That's the beauty of it.

For example, after Moses gave the law to the Jews, they gradually began formulating a wrong interpretation from it, and in the future even produce the Talmud. The Jews even had sect among themselves. Jehovah was still managing the system. He even chose some who were in that religion. But what made those He chose different? They were humble to make changes, they love the truth not a teaching.

This was evident when Jesus came. He showed them how wrong they were. Notice that some of the bad doctrine has been there for long, but now God wanted to correct it thru His son. The question now is: will they be humble to change? Are u getting the point?

The religious system refuse to change cos there doctrine is like what we see today - an infallible tradition. It has no room for changes. Had it been that the system is humble change when there position is wrong, do u think they would have been rejected? I hope u are getting the point?

But the common people agreed to follow Jesus and respond to an increasing light that Jesus was abt to unfold.

My understanding is that Jehovah needs those who have love for the truth, who are open minded, not those who are not ready to accept they are wrong. Dan 12;4 and 1cor 13 already show that there will be changes.

Even Jesus explained some matters in different way as it was previously understood. And were david, moses and solomon to come out in the first cenrury AD, what they will observe as the way God was then worshiped would differ somewhat from what they previously knew. So there has always been changes. If David walked with God back then, it is wise to believe he would not be close minded were he to observe the new directions that came on board in the first century.

There are many examples to use as prove of these. The fact is that God can't use those who stick to those heresies that flood xtendom. And they 'll still swallow it even if they see evidence to change.

jayriginal:


Again, you've put things in proper perspective.

Christ (as recorded in the bible) preached love, not shunning. He was called a wine bibber and was accused of wining and dining with sinners. Does anyone know how devastating shunning is? Your family and friends obliged not to associate with you? And because of what exactly?

God himself inspired this words recorded at 1cor 5:11. Do u sir feel that this direction is wrong?

I hate it when people allow there emotions to becloud there judgment in scriptural matters. If u agree to Gods standard, u should be ready to stick to it even if it hits u bad. Can u scripturally prove that disfellowship is wrong?

Our personal feeling towards some issues is understandable. If am shunned by some who I love, I will feel bad, its natural. However, does it make is scripturally wrong? Nope! We must take out our view and heed prov 3:5-6. It is when u make input in light of the bible, that i consider it valid. Not picking what u accept in the bible and leaving d rest that does not agree with our mind. 1john 5:3

@Anas09

It is true that our personal rekationship with God is uppermost. But God operates thruan organise religious system, He does not deal with us independent of an organised religion.

We can't stay and say let's serve God on our own, forget eeligion or "church".

Jesus command at matt 28:19,20 is to make disciples of people who will eventually be independent of the religious system. In short that command will hold no water were we to be independent of a religion.

Though Judaism was corrupt, Jesus didn't stay in his house and conduct his own private worship, nor did he instruct his disciples to go and forget an organise system or that they should forget religion.

God works thru an organise religious body that worship together. Heb 10:24-25

Any spirit that inspires anything less should be shunned.

jayriginal:
Hello Flytefalls

Did you see the link I posted to Captives of a Concept?

Omg, i've been far far away from this site so sorry >.<

Got it! Thank you thank you thank you!!! I have finished the Crisis book. The criticisms were thorough and I believe he earnestly tried to make them fair. This past month has been a bit of a paradise nightmare as far as this JW family issue has been, you know when things left unsaid hog all the space in the room, that sort of thing. But at least we now occupy the same spaces. It's so sad religion has brought us here. Pathetic really.

JMAN05:


Oh, she now calls Him God, not Jehovah. Chai, when will people grow up? Ur mum never made the truth her own. So sad! This thing that the witnesses keep singing like a music. As such, I don't consider such people as true witnesses. Sorry to say that, she was not.

Even now, I don't weigh people just cos dey come into the kingdom hall,but I weigh u if u are convinced that what u have is the truth, not just because it is taught by the witnesses. That has been the slogan of the Gov Body for a long time now.

Now that ur mom started calling him God, not Jehovah. Tell me, scripturally,why God is the name of God? U can't stop believing something because u ve found another belief. There should be a scriptural reason, if not, it is unreasonable.

Oya, tell me madam. Convince me with the bible. If u are witness u don't just believe, u are given good biblical reasons to do so. If we are to vote ur mom correct, use ur bible and tell us.

I tire of people like you very easily. Tell me, by whose account are you fully grown? Your immature design for the unfortunate green box above forbids any formation of a sensible response from me to your offering. I'm sure you're grown enough to not engage with me any longer as you now understand that to be a waste of your time. Saiyonara

Flytefalls:

I tire of people like you very easily. Tell me, by whose account are you fully grown? Your immature design for the unfortunate green box above forbids any formation of a sensible response from me to your offering. I'm sure you're grown enough to not engage with me any longer as you now understand that to be a waste of your time. Saiyonara

Just lol. Thought u were sure.

jayriginal:


Truth doesn't change.

You're correct. Truth doesn't and cannot change cos it is firmly established. What really changes is our understanding of truth.

jayriginal:


To me it sounds like a sign of uncertainty about past, present and future beliefs.

Good thing you were modest enough to say its ur opinion. Some folks here pass their opinions as what must be.
However, in this issue personal opinions dnt count. The Bible's view is what matters. And the Bible says in this time (last days) peoples understanding of truth will increase - Dan 12:4. And quite naturally this means making adjustments.

Flytefalls:

Omg, i've been far far away from this site so sorry >.<

Got it! Thank you thank you thank you!!! I have finished the Crisis book. The criticisms were thorough and I believe he earnestly tried to make them fair. This past month has been a bit of a paradise nightmare as far as this JW family issue has been, you know when things left unsaid hog all the space in the room, that sort of thing. But at least we now occupy the same spaces. It's so sad religion has brought us here. Pathetic really.

You're welcome.

BIBLESPEAKS:


You're correct. Truth doesn't and cannot change cos it is firmly established.

is my eyes decieving me? This coming from BERNIMORE!! I'll go for thanksgiving. That means my hardwork has paid of. As a celebration of this breakthrough, I'll open 4 watchtower threads

What really changes is our understanding of truth.

Good am glad you now know that. But then anyone that has a changing understanding of the truth has no right to claim monopoly of the truth and demand unquestionable loyalty to doctrine.

Exactly my thought.how can you command absolute obedience for a said understanding from the bible when you are not sure the understanding is correct?how can a religion that claim to be the only true religion operate on uncertainty?jw people are just full of arguement and nothing more.

paulGrundy:


is my eyes decieving me? This coming from BERNIMORE!! I'll go for thanksgiving. That means my hardwork has paid of. As a celebration of this breakthrough, I'll open 4 watchtower threads



Good am glad you now know that. But then anyone that has a changing understanding of the truth has no right to claim monopoly of the truth and demand unquestionable loyalty to doctrine.

Well, this might be coming so late, but i trust that somehow, you will stil stumble upon this comment and your life will never be the same.

If you're a JW or struggling to grasp a what the bible really teaches regarding christianity and religion, i welcome you to read the most compeling work on the topic CARM.ORG

yes brethren its CARM.ORG that website changed my life. for so many years i questioned the deity of christ. as an orthodose christian, I just know jesus is the begotten son of God. but when I grew older, it was time to question what I believed. I prayed and dug deeper into it.

As God could want it, I stumbled upon CARM.ORG.
it has the answers to all your question. Be it jehovah witness, catholicism, Atheism, Universalism, etc. Just check it and be bless.

Have a look at this:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah, if the thing does not follow nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah has not spoken....

If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

Flytefalls:

I tire of people like you very easily. Tell me, by whose account are you fully grown? Your immature design for the unfortunate green box above forbids any formation of a sensible response from me to your offering. I'm sure you're grown enough to not engage with me any longer as you now understand that to be a waste of your time. Saiyonara

the effort you used in typing the above would have been enough to refute the guy's stand.

Is it right for her to stop calling God jehovah cos she got ex-communicated by the JW?

If your anwer is yes, then have put to thought the fact that she could be praying to sango, amdioha, isis, horus or even baphomet the devil himself, cos they also refer to themselves as gods? Saying Jehovah, which is God's name, shows which God you are refering to.

AnSwer the guy's questions.

Flytefalls:

The last meeting I went to, the one less than a year ago when my BS tolerance meter exploded, was when they had announced a new understanding where women now had to wear veils if sitting in a study with a male baptised publisher. I don't even know if that was the gist of it, I was shocked. You know when your brain processes information so thoroughly your entire body halts its processes to allow it to configure the information entering via your ears, well I was truly stunned. Yet, more astonishing were the fumbled attempts of the elder on the platform who tried hard to normalise this information to a crowd of frowning brothers and sisters. They all had to accept this new understanding without query but you could see it on their faces, the confusion, doubt, absurdity.

*rant over for now*

Really? Are you sure you understand the language the meeting was conducted in?

From your write up I know you speak and understand perfect English. So I am wondering if the meeting was conducted in a strange language.

honeychild:


Really? Are you sure you understand the language the meeting was conducted in?

From your write up I know you speak and understand perfect English. So I am wondering if the meeting was conducted in a strange language.

er, okay.

eighTHREAD:
the effort you used in typing the above would have been enough to refute the guy's stand.

Is it right for her to stop calling God jehovah cos she got ex-communicated by the JW?

If your anwer is yes, then have put to thought the fact that she could be praying to sango, amdioha, isis, horus or even baphomet the devil himself, cos they also refer to themselves as gods? Saying Jehovah, which is God's name, shows which God you are refering to.

AnSwer the guy's questions.

Thank you for coming to my thread and reaffirming the issue I have with religious pedants. Scroll through all my past posts on this thread and highlight to me where I said I, or my mother, said that calling Jehovah by His name was wrong, or even undesirable. When she reads her preferred version of the Bible, He is referred to as God, not Jehovah. He is even referred to as both in the NWT. She has not rejected anything. Understandably, calling Him by his first name is fundamental to the JW institution, so I expect you people to get more than a little cranky when others have a differing opinion on this.

However, I don't have to answer to anyone and am less likely to when told to.

johnw74:

Have a look at this:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah, if the thing does not follow nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah has not spoken....

If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

At least they certainly have in the past, so let them continue calling themselves the truth while the rest of the world shrugs and moves on.

Flytefalls:

Thank you for coming to my thread and reaffirming the issue I have with religious pedants. Scroll through all my past posts on this thread and highlight to me where I said I, or my mother, said that calling Jehovah by His name was wrong, or even undesirable.When she reads her preferred version of the Bible, He is referred to as God, not Jehovah. She has not rejected anything. Understandably, calling Him by his first name is fundamental to the JW institution, so I expect you people to get more than a little cranky when others have a differing opinion on this.

However, I don't have to answer to anyone and am less likely to when told to.

do you know the amount of gods we have around? Do you know that God is not a name but a title? That's why many false prophets go scot-free in scamming people using the title to mask their god baphomet/satan. Do you know that majority of the various bible versions where influenced by the catholic church who substituted his name Jehovah with a title God?

@bold

Those preferred versions of the bible are just versions as you called them and not the original septuagint. The original was written in hebrew and greek; the old testament in hebrew while the new testament in greek. In those books, Jehovah is mostly used in places where you find God in the versions of today. So, you see how wrong they are?

Using the name Jehovah doesn't make one a JW, it only clarify which God you are talking about. The versions of today prefer to use capital letter G in spelling God just to different Him from the other gods. Why not use His name Jehovah instead?

eighTHREAD:
do you know the amount of gods we have around? Do you know that God is not a name but a title? That's why many false prophets go scot-free in scamming people using the title to mask their god baphomet/satan. Do you know that majority of the various bible versions where influenced by the catholic church who substituted his name Jehovah with a title God?

@bold

Those preferred versions of the bible are just versions as you called them and not the original septuagint. The original was written in hebrew and greek; the old testament in hebrew while the new testament in greek. In those books, Jehovah is mostly used in places where you find God in the versions of today. So, you see how wrong they are?

Using the name Jehovah doesn't make one a JW, it only clarify which God you are talking about. The versions of today prefer to use capital letter G in spelling God just to different Him from the other gods. Why not use His name Jehovah instead?

Honestly, why can't you JW's go a day without bad mouthing other religions. It's one of the most unappealling things about the JW's, always sh:ttin on other religions to bolster their own argument. Like snakes, they only have bad words for external people that other churches would actually pray for.

No, I don't see how uniquely right the NWT is either. It's just another version.

JW's themselves still refer to Him as God, it's not frowned upon, especially in the ministry to gain common ground with people. I will ask them to clarify which God they meant next time. Even Catholics use Jehovahs name in prayer, so I will even ask them if they are JW's in disguise.

Excuse my sarcasm if you will, I'm extremely bored with unilateral thinkers. But I understand 'true' faith to be unshakable, so good for you.