author=truthman2012 post=34137795]

[s]From the link, Muhammad was quoted as saying that before islam.[/s]

What of the hadiths he made in the OP as islam prophet, are they any better?

Empiree:
As usual, arrant nonsense

And what's the point of posting tafsir if you are not ready to concede like you just did above?. Waste of my glorious time.

truthman2012:


Huummm!

Everyone of you is dodging, complaining of time just because there is no defence available.

When you defend your religion, are you doing it to convince me or the readers?

If you are in a debate, will you try to convince your co-debators or the judges?

Empiree:
No. Just show one concession you ever made against our counterclaims?

Empir.ee:
^Just show one concession you ever made against our counterclaims?

truthman2012:
Allah also inspired Muhammad to stone a she-monkey that committed adultery. Does a monkey have permanent wife?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated ‘Amru
bin Maimun:
"During the pre-
lslamic period
of ignorance I
saw a she-monkey
surrounded by a
number of
monkeys. They
were all stoning
it, because it
had committed
illegal sexual
intercourse. I
too, stoned it
along with
them."

Are monkeys subject to human laws?

What about the he-monkey that committed the adultery?

Didn't Muhammad see he-goats and she-goats, he-dogs and she-dogs committing frequent adultery around him?

What about fouls?

I tell you the truth, Muhammad and muslims are not normal.

tartar9:
lmao,let me just assume this is as a result of your old age.you didn't see what you posted.

truthman2012:


Trash!

tartar9:
"And say
not, Trinity. Desist, it is better for you. Allah is
only one God. Far be it from His glory to have a
son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens
and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is
Allah as having charge of affairs"(4:171)

tartar9:
and you need to have a mouth in order to produce sound ,something ordinary humans have done your god can't do.

malvisguy212:
what are you saying here? The talking donkey did not just start talk on his own. But muhammed say tree, hell talk to him and the tree even cry. Today is a christian say a tree talk to him and cry to him you will insult the christian and called many kind of name.I don't even know what to talk about the hell part, do you seriously believe hell could talk to muhammed? Were was him when hell talk to him? Certainly not in this life, he was in hell in the afterlife when hell speak to him.

malvisguy212:
rubbish, all you have to do is so simple, explained the plurality(WE,US,OUR) in the quran, that all.

I take my time and read the verse you quote from the quran, did Allah just mention trinity in the quran? This is strange, the bible did not made mention of trinity, then how could muhammed have known this? It is clear, muhammed learn all this from the christians during his time and it is also clear the bible that was used during muhammed time was the same with nowadays bible.my question was that , when was the bible corrupted?

tartar9:
just trying to save ya *ss don't spoil it.re-read what you just posted,with your glasses louvers.

yazach:
@op! I have a question for you
Is it possible for a tree to speak?

tartar9:
what are you trying to say that it has never been explained or that it hads been explained numerous times before but your feeble minds where too clouded by bigotry to entertain the thought of accepting defeat so it simply chose not to understand.

truthman2012:


Why your question?

I should ask you same question because it is your hadiths that say trees speak in islam.

tartar9:
so if its yours,its a miracle,if its ours you call it hallucination.if yours saw Hell,its a vision but ours,thats when you start having problems with it smh.I don't even expect you to believe them,but trying to say they are impossible,is where the problem lies.

tartar9:
so if its yours,its a miracle,if its ours you call it hallucination.if yours saw Hell,its a vision but ours,thats when you start having problems with it smh.I don't even expect you to believe them,but trying to say they are impossible,is where the problem lies.

yazach:


Some Muslims like empiree, tartar, rilwain and other muslims claimed that you have little knowledge about your religion and the bible, please don't tell me what you stated above is a clear cut testimony to their claim

malvisguy212:
my friend,tree speak and cry is not a miracle but magic.tree speak to muhammed, did he command it to happened in God name?
the issue here was that hell speak to muhammed,if it vision, the hadith would have say so right? It not a vision, then what is it?

yazach:


Some Muslims like empiree, tartar, rilwain and other muslims claimed that you have little knowledge about your religion and the bible, please don't tell me what you stated above is a clear cut testimony to their claim

malvisguy212:
my friend,tree speak and cry is not a miracle but magic.tree speak to muhammed, did he command it to happened in God name?
the issue here was that hell speak to muhammed,if it vision, the hadith would have say so right? It not a vision, then what is it?

yazach:

But since you agreed you don't know much about your own religion, why are you displaying the shame on the internet

here is a verse in the book you believe that says trees speaks but you are denying it here. i will try to analyze it in your way

the trees went forth to anoint a king over them,
Trees anoint = hallucination by malvis

and they said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us!’
tree speaks in the bible, a christian(malvis) said it is hallucination

9“But the olive tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my fatness with which God and men are honored and go to wave over the trees?’ ,
through fatness of a tree, God and Men are honored = blasphemy

10“Then the trees said to the fig tree, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 11“But the fig tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit, and go to wave over the trees?’

12“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 13“But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my new wine, which cheers God and men, and go to wave over the trees?’
when God is unhappy, he drinks wine of vine = blasphemy,stupidity, idiocy etc

14“Finally all the trees said to the bramble, ‘You come, reign over us!’
trees have kings = hallucination by malvis

@malvisguy212, hope you now know your problem
Let me help you: your problem is IGNORANCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

truthman2012:


These muslim guys don't know the difference between a miracle and magic.

Allah himself confirm Muhammad was not given the power for miracle, then where did he get the power for it?

Quran 13: 07
“And the Unbelievers say: "Why
is not a sign sent down to him
from his Lord?" But thou art
truly a warner, and to every
people a guide.”

Allah said he was only a warner and not a miracle worker. Does a warner kill for people not heeding his warning?

Quran 3: 138
They (also) said: "Allah took our
promise not to believe in an
messenger unless He showed us a
sacrifice consumed by Fire (From
heaven)." Say: "There came to
you messengers before me, with
clear Signs and even with what ye
ask for: why then did ye slay
them, if ye speak the truth?" if
you are truthful?

Hear what he said in the above verse because he couldn't perform miracles.

Therefore, what tartar9 said are miracles are not but mere hallucinations.

malvisguy212:
the hadith the op quote does not looks like muhammed was seeing vision or performing miracle, infacte the first hadith say he was under a tree on Friday when tree speak, I believe this is nothing but demon possessed man seeing things because any miracle don was for the manifestation of God glory, but the hadith did not imply anything like that.tree speak was a magic attributed to different source of power.

Any wonders don must be for the manifestation of God glory and through out the bible it was soo, there is NO place in the bible a man just stand and started seeing things, this is pure demonic.

malvisguy212:
the hadith the op quote does not looks like muhammed was seeing vision or performing miracle, infacte the first hadith say he was under a tree on Friday when tree speak, I believe this is nothing but demon possessed man seeing things because any miracle don was for the manifestation of God glory, but the hadith did not imply anything like that.tree speak was a magic attributed to different source of power.

Any wonders don must be for the manifestation of God glory and through out the bible it was soo, there is NO place in the bible a man just stand and started seeing things, this is pure demonic.

malvisguy212:
my friend,tree speak and cry is not a miracle but magic.tree speak to muhammed, did he command it to happened in God name?the issue here was that hell speak to muhammed,if it vision, the hadith would have say so right? It not a vision, then what is it?

tartar9:
and yet again,yours is the miracle ours is the magic,did Balaam also command the donkey to speak?do you even know what magic is?can you tell me what charms, spells, or rituals He(SAW) did for you to decide it was magic.
" And if they see a miracle they turn aside
and say: Transient magic.
They have denied
the truth and followed their whims and desires,
but everything has its time."(Qur'an, 54:2-3)

tartar9:
and yet again,yours is the miracle ours is the magic,did Balaam also command the donkey to speak?do you even know what magic is?can you tell me what charms, spells, or rituals He(SAW) did for you to decide it was magic.
" And if they see a miracle they turn aside
and say: Transient magic.
They have denied
the truth and followed their whims and desires,
but everything has its time."(Qur'an, 54:2-3)

truthman2012:


If they truly said so, they must have been hallucinating like their prophet, Muhammad.