TATIME:
Are you still chatting with him?

TATIME:
I'm done with him, i can sense that he feels naked and want some brotherhood covering but he is rejecting the clothes the brothers are using as covering! He wants to be regarded as a fellow believer but rules guiding the believers he detests.
I have rounded up with him, if he is not ready to abide by the rules guiding the whole association of my JW family globally, he is of course my neighbour NOT my brother in faith!

TATIME:
Can't you see him quoting John 10:16?

TATIME:
Yet i'm sure he will never agree with the meaning of that text! Jesus told his first followers that another set is coming up but not of the [same fold], will he agree that it's only 144,000 born again Christians that will go and rule with Jesus in heaven while the remaining Christians (other sheep) live on earth under that rulership? I doubt if he can ever BELIEVE that, yet he wants me to accept him as my FELLOW BELIEVER!

TATIME:


Are you still chatting with him?
I'm done with him, i can sense that he feels naked and want some brotherhood covering but he is rejecting the clothes the brothers are using as covering! He wants to be regarded as a fellow believer but rules guiding the believers he detests.
I have rounded up with him, if he is not ready to abide by the rules guiding the whole association of my JW family globally, he is of course my neighbour NOT my brother in faith!

Can't you see him quoting John 10:16?

Yet i'm sure he will never agree with the meaning of that text! Jesus told his first followers that another set is coming up but not of the [same fold], will he agree that it's only 144,000 born again Christians that will go and rule with Jesus in heaven while the remaining Christians (other sheep) live on earth under that rulership? I doubt if he can ever BELIEVE that, yet he wants me to accept him as my FELLOW BELIEVER!

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm,

Well i've known him for some time now on Nairaland, and i can see that he truly feels like belonging to the Christian family, but his problem is not "ready to set matters straight" with the use of the scriptures! 2Timothy 3:16

He once made a comment as if he knew what he's saying, then i asked him if all believers should subscribe to that conclusion but instantly he shy away. That's when i realized that he just like to make comments, he doesn't know what being a Christian means!

Please bro, i remember the organization taught us that the other sheep in Jesus comments @ John 10:16 are supposed to be made up of obedient humans from Israel and gentile nations to live forever on planet earth.
And according to Revelations 7/14 they will feel the earth. Where misinformed churchgoers are getting it all wrong is that the whole 144,000 supposed to be only Israelites, but since Israelites are not willing to accept the invitation God decided to complete the number with gentiles who later became Born again Christians to join the corulers of Christ in heaven!

TATIME:
Excellent my brother.
Your Bible study conductor actually did a very good job there!
For further clarification and better understanding on that, read the illustration of the marriage feast @ Matthew 22:1-14

MuttleyLaff:
After all the free and generous educational sessions you've had from yours truly, the answer to this lame as fart question you're asking, should be obvious to you nah

Empiree:
Lol, I am sure 100% you don't know the answer. You have no idea who you talking to. Your religion is about Mr. Paul under the guise of Jesus. It is obvious from several Bible quotes of yours.

MuttleyLaff:
The joke is on you but yeah, Apostle Paul, you are right was sent off to the Gentiles by our Lord and Saviour of the world Yahsua Hamashiach, that for you my dear Muslim brother friend, means Jesus Christ.

Empiree:
can you provide evidence that Paul was sent to the gentiles and by who?

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁷Later, when I had returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance,
¹⁸and saw the Lord saying to me, ‘Hurry! Leave Jerusalem quickly, because the people here will not accept your testimony about Me.’
¹⁹‘Lord,’ I answered, ‘they know very well that in one synagogue after another I imprisoned and beat those who believed in You.
²⁰And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and watching over the garments of those who killed him.’
²¹Then He said to me, ‘Go! I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’” "
- Acts 22:17-21

You this my beloved Muslim brother friend, what am I to do with this your admirable quest for knowledge erhn, lol? I thank God I have the love, grace, temperance and power to put up with you and your soaking up information, as if iike a sponge soaking up water, lol.

nlPoster:
[s]You people and muttleylaff in particular should stop bumping the thread please.
There are over 20 topics asking this same question, quit re-asking it[/s].

Empiree:
like I knew you would quote this evidence...chai.

Empiree:
Paul ripped you guys off. I am still coming to break down your so called "proofs" if time permits but allow me to drop this.

Act of Apostle 22:18 Paul claimed he saw the Lord but Acts 9:3-9 says he did not see anything the Lord

As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. Paul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Empiree:
I have more to reveal to you maybe your eyes will eventually open and realize you have been scammed by Mr. Paul. This topic was actually dealt with yesternight by Jamiu Adegunwa, how Paul deceived Christians.

Empiree:
How Paul started Christianity.

MuttleyLaff:
Religion that is true, pure and without any fault has to do with compassion. True, pure and one without any faults, has to do with having concern(s) for the sufferings or misfortunes of others and being sympathetic towards them

"Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome."
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: on 8:33am On May 30 2019

"... the catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.

The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.

Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)

Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council

So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.

By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.

In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.

Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we enjoy today"
- Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by MuttleyLaff: on 8:33am On May 30 2019

I agree with you that Christianity was spread through violence and intolerance once Constantine and his mother Helena decided to make it the official state religion. I've on varied occassions, typed about how the church was romanticised by Constantine and etcetera and also why I often type that, if only more christians read their bibles there'd be less christians

Empiree:
He could never have been religious authority or beloved by Jesus he didn't meet.

Empiree:
Read what Paul said about Jesus. Hebrew 6:1 is a clear message to Christians. It is clear that Paul, a self proclaimed "Apostle", was a fraudulent dude. There is absolutely no correlation btw Jesus and Paul.

"Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God."

Empiree:
So who gave Paul the authority to dismantled doctrines/teachings of Jesus?. This is a prove that christians are followers of Paul not Jesus. Jesus message was only to some Israelites.

Empiree:
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Mathew 15:24

MuttleyLaff:
"But the Lord said, “Go, for Saul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings, as well as to the people of Israel.
(i.e. The Lord told Ananias, "Go! I've chosen this man to bring my name to nations, to kings, and to the people of Israel.)"
- Acts 9:15

It's a lie, thats another of your typical and classic style Pinocchio lie, lol. You knew not what I would quote, talkless know its Acts 22:17-21, that I would quote. OK, did you also know about Acts 9:15 above too, erhn, hmm?

Look at this, of course old enough to be "agbalagba agbalagbi agbantara" my dear Muslim brother friend, showing himself up and publicly disgracing himself. Fyi, Act of Apostles 9:3-9 happened on Apostle Paul on his way to Damascus, while this Act of Apostles 22:18 happened when he was in Jerusalem. Please next time get the facts right and try not to again conflate issues, lol.

You think you're sleak, you arent sleak, I know your game, I've watched it unfold, lol, so continue to amuse and impress me with your horseplay antics, lol, but hey, have you heard the saying: "Sometimes, even the hunter, as in meaning, the predator, becomes the hunted, as in meaning, the prey", lol. "Las la, ti mo ba jẹẹ tan, ma fi egungun ẹ tahin ni" loosely translated means "After I am done educating you and ruthlessly dealing with you, I'll use your bones as toothpicks"

I am legitimately laughing out loud in Arabic at your lack of correct knowledge and information. Smh. My dear Muslim brother friend, if you were someone that is bible literate, you would have known that Paul never started anything called Christianity

After you have finished reading the above quote brought here from another thread, please go bring yourself up to speed because you are way wrong off the charts in saying and believing that Apostle Paul started Christianity. No way José, my dear Muslim brother friend Empir.ee, as you can see and have read from the above quote, did Apostle Paul start Christianity, lol. Smh.



"Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed.""
- John 20:29

I can see that you my beloved Muslim brother friend Em.piree, falls into the above 2 Peter 3:16 category of ignorant and unstable people who distort the Scriptures, to their own destruction. I vehemently pray you desist from your ignoble act(s) and repent to save your precious soul from damnable destruction

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is God's power for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, and also to the Greek."
- Romans 1:16

Apostle Paul has not and/or did not dismantle any doctrines/teachings of Jesus. How wrong you are to think or type this way and it of course, is simply because you don't properly know and dont correctly understand the Bible

"I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice.
Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."
- John 10:16

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."
- John 10:27

"I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me,"
- John 10:14

I am glad you brought up Mathew 15:24 because I just under 48hrs ago incidentally was sharing John 10:16 with TATIME and Maximus69 and even quoted this same Mathew 15:24 to hint them that there are other sheep, lol.

Empiree:
[s]Who wrote Act of apostles? According to record search, it says "Evangelist Luke". The Acts of the Apostles. The Acts of the Apostles, abbreviation Acts, fifth book of the New Testament, a valuable history of the early Christian church. Acts was written in Greek, presumably by the Evangelist Luke, whose gospel concludes where Acts begins, namely, with Christ's Ascension into heaven.

So this further proves my point that christianity is not about Jesus. So Luke wrote something and formulated idea about Paul. Who was sent to Israelite, Jesus, Paul or Luke?. From this research Jesus is not mentioned which means you guys have nothing to do with Jesus. I will advise you to please watch this clip. Don't mind the english but the message

Paul saw and heard God's voice or not?. It is a very simply question. If he saw the Lord in Jerusalem or Damascus or vis-a-vis it is still against the basic principle which is, no one can hear God or see Him regardless of whether he was in Jerusalem or Damascus.

Diversion tactic

It is very simple. Just bring us a prove otherwise that show christianity was started by Jesus himself. Simple, isnt?. Please dont post "christlike" bcuz isnt gonna work.

How does this prove christianity?. Is this your evidence? smh

Em.piree, argue and wrestle with John 20:29 above.

"¹⁵Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
¹⁶ He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. "
- 2 Peter 3:15-16

You are very ignorant of christianity. You have no proof. My advice is to learn from Islam. Learn from muslims. From everything you posted you could not establish how Jesus created christianity. I feel sorry for you.

This is what Queen James Version Of The Bible said. Queen James Bible was produced in America to counter king James.

Every place where 'he' is used for Jesus they changed it to 'she'.

Still religion from God?. You guys are joke[/s]

MuttleyLaff:
The joke is on you but yeah, Apostle Paul, you are right was sent off to the Gentiles by our Lord and Saviour of the world Yahsua Hamashiach, that for you my dear Muslim brother friend, means Jesus Christ.

MuttleyLaff:

I am glad you brought up Mathew 15:24 because I just under 48hrs ago incidentally was sharing John 10:16 with TATIME and Maximus69 and even quoted this same Mathew 15:24 to hint them that there are other sheep, lol.

MuttleyLaff:


Why should I prove to you or show you that christianity was started by Jesus, hmm?. What makes you think I am interested in posting "christlike" when you already know it is not going to work erhn. I have already informed you that Christianity was established by the Roman Emperor, Constantine and not by Jesus nor Apostle Paul.

Empiree:
Case closed self defeat

It should clear to you by now that you are wasting your time in christianity that didn't come from One God. Please stop luring Jesus the son of Mary, the messanger of Allah into your religion. He has nothing to do with you

All other things you said are irrelevant. You have successfully established hujjah against yourself.

"He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He ordained for Nuh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Muhammad SAW), and that which We ordained for Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion). Intolerable for the Mushrikun, is that to which you (O Muhammad SAW) call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience." Q43:13

"Religion With God Is Islam" Q 3:19

"Whosever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted from him and in the Hereafter, he will be one of the losers" Q 3:85

Empiree:
who's your Lord and Savior, God, Jesus or Paul?

MuttleyLaff:
Check out James 1:27 to know what is religion that is pure, that is true and such that God finds no fault in my unfortunate dear indoctrinated by your sheik and self-styled Ustaz, blind leading the blind, Jamiu Adegunwa

Empiree:
I have told you that you are confused.

Empiree:
Renounce CHRISTIANITY, please. Your religion is islam. Which religion mentioned in James 1:27?. Did it mention CHRISTIANITY?. No.

Empiree:
Everything you do in churches go against Bible. So which religion James is talking about, sir?. E fi christianity si le. Ko si ona ola nibe ra ra. Ona Anu ni

MuttleyLaff:

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1/ Where in the Bible have you ever read that Jesus started Christianity, hmm?
2/ Where in the Bible have you read Apostle Paul or any of the other 12 appointed Apostles started Christianity?
3/ Where have you found any of the disciples and/or followers of our Lord and Saviour of the world Jesus Christ called themselves Christians or endearingly addressed each other as Christians?

Empiree:
Do you realize that you are officially making fool of yourself?.

Empiree:
These questions are for you not me.

Empiree:
You have asked me to prove these words from Qur'an and I did. They are:
Islam Quran Muhammad Muslim

Empiree:
I provided you with evidences. It is on you to prove these things you asked not me. You are the one that believe in them. O ya do the needful.

MuttleyLaff:


You're doing your typical and classic style Pinocchio lie again, erhn? Oya, reprint here, when and when I asked you "Islam Quran Muhammad Muslim" from the Quran. Are you sure you ever set your foot in four walls of a classroom, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:

Look at my dear Muslim brother friend Emp.iree, living in a glass house but throwing stone, lol. Why dont you tell, why saying Koran, Qur'an or Quran, Moslem or Muslim and Muhammad or Mohammed hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Empiree, for lying and plotting on me, you're a toerag and have no shame.

Does "Why dont you tell, why saying Koran, Qur'an or Quran, Moslem or Muslim and Muhammad or Mohammed hmm?" look the same and/or mean the same to your formulated "prove "Islam Quran Muhammad Muslim" from the Quran" hmm? Smh.

orisa37:
God produced other Humans than Adam & Eve. Male and Female, God made Nephilims and positioned THEM HIMSELF in the 7 zones of The World. ODUDUWA WAS ONE OF THEM.

Empiree:
Brother, many are reading everything we post. Those who understand, do. Those who don't, dont.

Empiree:
So far you have been unable to prove Christianity is religion from God

Empiree:
and you are unable to prove Jesus son of Mary, messanger of Allah brought christianity.

Empiree:
Therefore, I am using this moment to invite you to Islam

MuttleyLaff:
So far, I did the following:
1/ I did advance to you that your premise(s) that Jesus or any of the Apostles including Paul created Christianity is dumb, messed up and is an idea that really sucks
2/ I did advance to you, that since your faith, this is talking about Islam here, is in the Quran, as in meaning, the word Islam is explicitly seen in the Quran, then why dont you show where in the Bible is the word "Christianity" in it, but then you failed abysmally to do anything like that. Mtcheew.
3/ I did advance to you, to check out James 1:27, so in order to get a grip on what really is, true and pure religion, especially one that God finds no fault in, but you also failed abysmally to do anything about it
4/ I also did advance to you, that the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign after the Roman Emperor Constantine, set the ball rolling to institutionalize "Christianity or Constantine Christianity" as the state religion.
5/ I did advance to you that your sheik, the self-styled Ustaz, blind leading the blind, Jamiu Adegunwa is being dissed and bad-mouthed by sensible fellow sheiks and others in the Muslims community with heads screwed on properly, saying he is crazy and would be dsgraced etcetera, but you couldnt come out and say this is untrue, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
How can you live with yourself, your lies are just so transparent

Empiree:
This is my only area of concern. I don't worry about everything else you said. So leave Jamiu Adegunwa alone.

Empiree:
So let's leave the discussions for viewing audience to judge.

Empiree:
As far as I am concern, christianity has no link with Jesus whatsoever. It is Pauline religion from Rome. Not only that, Paul never met Jesus. Jesus never went to Rome. @bold is another indication that christianity has nothing to do with Jesus the son of Mary and messanger of Allah. If truly church and christianity have correlation with him(Jesus), you would have clearly indicated that. There is no evidence from Jesus that you should go to church on Sunday but in islam we have evidence to go to mosque on Friday and even ordinary days. Therefore, you are practising religion of Roman paganism.

Empiree:
Tomorrow is another lecture in Yoruba by Jamiu live 9PM nigeria time. Should you wish to watch him live in Shaki, check out his facebook.

Empiree:
Should you wish to make jest of yourself, talk to the guy guys below

orisa37:
It's you who don't know what I am talking about. I just pray to God to forgive you and give you Understanding.