malvisguy212:
read the book of Hebrew, they were saved by FAITH.

malvisguy212:
Allahu akbar, Allah is great among the 360 pagan gods in the kabba.

urheme:


What faith does abraham have

One who pregnated his maid and could not take responsibility for it.

And solomon found faith in wemen,s lap ashawo kobo kobo. The only wisdon he has was to write his folishness down to teach us a lesson, so, i give him that.

Faith is evidence of things not seen but hoped for.

In those days they saw physical evidence of God as they claimed, so what faith are you refering

Demmzy15:

What's surprising is that Arab Christians call 'God' Allah, the Arabic Bible calls 'God' Allah! Ignorance is a disease!

malvisguy212:
thank God you say the ARAB christians, that was there language , or do you want them to called God YEWEH? Hausa christians called God ubangiji. And hausa muslims called God ubangiji.

tpiadotcom:
No other way except through Christ Jesus.

Demmzy15:
Allahu AKBAR, this is truth. I pray others heart could be softened like that of 'frosbel'. I've never encountered frosbel, but from what I'm seeing here, he's actually a cool guy!

Yadoctora:


He probably found the truth about Christianity as he got too deep being a Christian. Hopefully, davidylan will follow suit. Maybe they'll find the answers in Islam.

frosbel:
I believe that all God fearing and honourable people irrespective of religious orientation will be saved into the new kingdom.

The idiocy that only a select group of people are dear to God is akin to supremacist ideology and is counter-productive to the peaceful and loving coexistence between all men.

Christians have totally missed the point and keep condemning and judging other men to a so called hell when the truth is that God is not a Christian and knows of no such religion. God only knows and honours those who practice goodness , equity , fairness and love.

Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

urheme:


What faith does abraham have

One who pregnated his maid and could not take responsibility for it.

And solomon found faith in wemen,s lap ashawo kobo kobo. The only wisdon he has was to write his folishness down to teach us a lesson, so, i give him that.

Faith is evidence of things not seen but hoped for.

In those days they saw physical evidence of God as they claimed, so what faith are you refering

frosbel:
I believe that all God fearing and honourable people irrespective of religious orientation will be saved into the new kingdom.

The idiocy that only a select group of people are dear to God is akin to supremacist ideology and is counter-productive to the peaceful and loving coexistence between all men.

Christians have totally missed the point and keep condemning and judging other men to a so called hell when the truth is that God is not a Christian and knows of no such religion. God only knows and honours those who practice goodness , equity , fairness and love.

Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

plaetton:


Ehhm, correction sir. Solomon didn't author anything.
The entire book of proverbs was plagerized, no, stolen from an ancient Egyptian book called The Precepts Of Ptah-Hotep, the high priest of Ptah, that predates King Solomon by thousands of years.

Ptah was the father of Egyptian gods, The Heavenly father, Their supreme god.






Quite insightful sir,

You are a good reader, some cultures are worse than religion, if anything does not support equity justice and good conscience, i don't support it.

Whether a religion is stolen or not, its practices must be fair for all, but it seems religion has failed us from all ramification








Ptah is likely the root word for Ju-piter, the formost of the heavens, and also from whence we get the name Peter, a name of a disciple who is believed to have founded the church of the Roman fathers, priests of the heavenly father, whose headquarters was built, and today still standing atop the ancient temple of Ju-Piter.
All roads lead back to Egypt.

The ancient hebrew scribes were master plagerists who copied and plagerized every ancient scriptures from every culture they came into contact with.
They just simply substituted their tribal deity, Yahweh, in place of the deities of their cultural and religious benefactors.

malvisguy212:
first, it was Sarah that encourage Abraham to commit the acts, secondly solomon was obedient to God until pride and riches make him to sin, the time solomon was having affairs with women, by then he was worshipping other gods.

Roman 10:13-21
13
for, “EVERYONE who calls on the name of
the LORD WILL BE SAVED .”[ f]
14 How, then, can they call on the one
they have not believed in? And how can
they believe in the one of whom they
have not heard? And how can they hear
without someone preaching to them? 15
And how can anyone preach unless they
are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful
are the feet of those who bring good
news!”[ g]
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the
good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who
has believed our message?”[ h] 17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing
the message, and the message is heard
through the word about Christ. 18 But I
ask: Did they not hear? Of course they
did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the
earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”[i]
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not
understand? First, Moses says,
“I will make you envious by those who
are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that
has no understanding.”[ j]
20 And Isaiah boldly says,
“I was found by those who did not seek
me;
I revealed myself to those who did not
ask for me.”[ k]
21 But concerning Israel he says,
“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”[l]

I believe this book of roman answer your question, verse 13 say everyone who called on the LORD will be saved.

plaetton:



If you read the precepts of Ptah-hotep, you would be marveled at the very deep levels of commitment to moral and ethical justice enshrined in Egyptian religious philosophy thousands of years before moses's 10 commandments, and Jesus's injunction to love thy neighbor as thyself.

In fact, the 10 commandments itself is copied and plagerized verbatim from the laws of Maat, the Egyptian God of truth and equity.

The religions of today cannot uphold any genuinely high moral and ethical standards, because they are fake, and contrived on selfish ambitions.

frosbel:
I believe that all God fearing and honourable people irrespective of religious orientation will be saved into the new kingdom.

The idiocy that only a select group of people are dear to God is akin to supremacist ideology and is counter-productive to the peaceful and loving coexistence between all men.

Christians have totally missed the point and keep condemning and judging other men to a so called hell when the truth is that God is not a Christian and knows of no such religion. God only knows and honours those who practice goodness , equity , fairness and love.

Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

Ubenedictus:


heheheheh,

frosbel, what a jorney you have made since I have discussed with you, from a fundamentalist protestant Christian to a simple protestant Christian then a pseudo messianic Jew after you rejected the complete authentiicity of the new tesatament and now you seem to be landing around the shores of humanism, secularism and modernism.

I wish you well on you jorney.

So you don't think disbelief is a sin?

Ifeann:



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Yeah this is a valid question and the God I worship, I believe is just enough, loving enough and omniscient enough to sort that out.
Please show me one bible passage that says that people who have NOT heard about the gospel will go to hell. There is none. However a certain Arabic/Islamic god won't even recognise u if u don't have an Arabic name.
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ifeann abeg show us where e dey oh!

Ifeann:

I am well Acquainted with Frosbel, He did a lot of nice work exposing Islam and mohammed.

That he has questions about his religion is normal. There is no rule not to ask questions in Christianity only Islam forbids asking questions.

Quran 5:101
" O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be shown to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing."

unphilaz:


summary of frosbel

frosbel,

fundamentalist protestant Christian
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a simple protestant Christian
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a pseudo messianic Jew after you rejected the complete authentiicity of the new tesatament and
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humanism, secularism and modernism.
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? ? ?

I wish you well on you jorney.

Can't believe this is Frosbel.

After all those years of insulting Islam and Muslims

Ubenedictus:


stop yabbing frosbel, I believe he'll get i right at last.

italo:


And condemning Catholics to hell.

Now the Catholic doctrine has remained the same, but Frosbel's doctrine has been flip-flopping and is gravitating back to Catholic doctrine.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 847:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.


Rom 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

I laugh in Latin.

italo:


And condemning Catholics to hell.

Now the Catholic doctrine has remained the same, but Frosbel's doctrine has been flip-flopping and is gravitating back to Catholic doctrine.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 847:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.


Rom 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

I laugh in Latin.

Ifeann:


Oh really,

How did mohammed die.

frosbel:
I believe that all God fearing and honourable people irrespective of religious orientation will be saved into the new kingdom.

The idiocy that only a select group of people are dear to God is akin to supremacist ideology and is counter-productive to the peaceful and loving coexistence between all men.

Christians have totally missed the point and keep condemning and judging other men to a so called hell when the truth is that God is not a Christian and knows of no such religion. God only knows and honours those who practice goodness , equity , fairness and love.

Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

Syncan:



Let's hope he doesn't renounce his position if he sees this.

frosbel:
I believe that all God fearing and honourable people irrespective of religious orientation will be saved into the new kingdom.

The idiocy that only a select group of people are dear to God is akin to supremacist ideology and is counter-productive to the peaceful and loving coexistence between all men.

Christians have totally missed the point and keep condemning and judging other men to a so called hell when the truth is that God is not a Christian and knows of no such religion. God only knows and honours those who practice goodness , equity , fairness and love.

Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

ihedinobi2:


Why did you share this, texanomaly?

frosbel:


Those deluded ones who keep living like the devil and claim the blood of Jesus as a legal loophole will be in for a shocker.

I will rather be friends with a Muslim who loves his fellow man than a Christian who slanders, insults and humiliates others

Remember ; God sees the heart and not the 'mouth' !

texanomaly:


Because I happen to agree with some of it. Especially this:




I believe the Bible is a good guide in some ways. I don't believe the books in the Bible have been translated correctly, or even if the men who chose the books were inspired to choose those particular books.


Too many men have done the picking and choosing. Too many men have chosen words to replace those words they were unsure of the translation of. Too many men have replaced words that there wasn't a word for in their language.


I have never believed in only Heaven or Hell. I believe the God of this Earth wants All to return to him, and has prepared "mansions" accordingly. I do believe there will be a judgement. He will judge. Thank God it's not my job, there or here, to judge others.

Even those who don't worship Christ will have a place in Gods kingdom. Where that will be I don't know. I don't believe it will be in eternal torment.

Before you start quoting Bible verses, don't bother. I'm well aware of its contents.

frosbel:


I have only 2 questions for you ;

1. Why is it that people who lived in the Igbo land before Christianity ( I can only speak for my tribe ) were more honourable , truthful , content and loving to their fellow brother ? These days , the more churches we have the more we lose trust, love and integrity. Something is wrong somewhere.

2. What will happen to all my ancestors who never heard about Jesus for thousands of years before the missionaries came and why did God wait for so long for the gospel to reach them. I think this is a valid question.

Read : Isaiah 66:2 and

Ifeann:



Neither is the decision up to you nor does what u think or believe matter.

I would imagine that Good people who never heard of Christ and left this world would Not be condemned to eternal damnation.

But if u hear of Christ, read his message and are exposed to his gospel then u put yourself in a tight spot when u reject him. Most especially Muslims that reject the gospel for mohammed's fallacies.

This is my opinion btw, and it doesn't matter on this subject.

Ultimately, Its the creators decision.