Confirmer:

May God forgive you for insinuating that Sarah, and by extension Prophet Abraham, lost patience. Why would they lose patience if they were sure of God's promise since God never fails? It was simply because they have not received the revelation from God about the birth of Isaac. It was after the test that they were promised Isaac.

dboss444:
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I am a christian but the a student of history.

dboss444:
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I am a christian but the a student of history.

klbakare:


actually the quran is a conjured, revised and edited version of the bible by mohammed. sadly mohammed did not cover his trail intelligently. you muslims are a confused bunch. your quran mixes people in the old testament with people in the new testament...go study about the family of jesus from your quran and compare it with what is in the bible. you guys are observers of time and bunch of enchanters. you can only pray to your true God from a particular direction, your fast is only during the day and not at night, you observe the shadows, the moon and the sun to determine your prayer hours, your allah only understands Arabic, how sad and pathetic! your religion seeks to dominate all others, no tolerance and no freewill even as God as given it to us from the beginning of time. actually i did not want to comment on this thread but this statement of yours made me.
come to ilorin or ogbomoso, your alfas and jobless enchantment priest cannot do a single sermon without provoking Christians. from holding crusades to speak blasphemy against Christianity, reading the bible scornfully and treating Christians with contempt. sometimes i ask myself if you guys got something else to preach apart from Jesus and Christianity but it dawned on me that the bible has said that every one must hear about Jesus, every one must hear about the gospel so that on the day of judgement, there will be no excuse. God has certainly being making use of your alfas, ustah and fanatics who will not tolerate others to spread his word. then i said to myself let God be praised! therefore these guys here on social media have not done 0.1% of what your leaders do in reality. don't complain,the social network here is the only means they got to say all these things concerning islam(you guys also say worse about Christianity in real life) without being beating to death or lynched by your wicked,inhumane and heartless brothers

mohammed is a confused,violent,possessed paedophile! DEAL WITH IT!

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

malvisguy212:
No muslim is able to defend the quran?

plainbibletruth:


They need to 'consult' with one another and their higher authorities before they can put on any defence.

malvisguy212:
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.


The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.

OJODEL10:
Waiting for islamic defence.

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

malvisguy212:
good, if you have nothing to say, just stay mute.we prefer you like that.

malvisguy212:
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.


The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.

adewalker:
. I just can't seem to understand ur obsession about islam,I seem to be seeing u in a lot of threads about islam,bt as soon as the muslims start engaging u,u flee,its easy to be a coward on the internet,so get a hall in anywhere in nigeria,call all ur christian brothers and sisters,then invite us muslims to a debate between u and us in an open place for all to see,stop being a coward,surely if u are so sure about ur religion,this must be easy for u...quran 17vs81"and say'truth has come and falsehood has vanished,verily falsehood is ever bound to perish"....we will be waiting positively for ur reply

malvisguy212:
trash. If you cannot defend the quranic contradiction here, were will you want to defend it ? In public so that you will have the opportunity to strike off my head as the quran encourage you to do?

malvisguy212:
trash. If you cannot defend the quranic contradiction here, were will you want to defend it ? In public so that you will have the opportunity to strike off my head as the quran encourage you to do?

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

Humblebloke:



Why are you always attacking the mohammedians.........


You want them to dump their delusions for yours


Don't you have muslim relations and friends...... Do they go about slaugthering people in the name of their god


You make it look like all muslims are evil people......

If you believe in what you believe in....... Why must they share your delusions....... Since they are at peace with theirs

malvisguy212:
trash. This thread is not for atheists.

Humblebloke:



Okay.... Just tell me you don't have answers


Hypocrite


I didn't know faithless people were not allowed to comment on your threads


No matter how had you try to demean the muslim faith..... It won't change the fact that your books are similar.....

Its all about angels, prophets, heaven,hell and afterlife.......


I really don't why you criticize your fellow believers......

malvisguy212:
alright, we have heard you. Stay mute.

malvisguy212:
alright, we have heard you. Stay mute.

Humblebloke:


Lemme decide if I want take your advice......


I tought you could help.... With all the spiritual knowledge you have got.....


Turns out you could not even provide answers to a straightforward question.....


Adois amigos....... Re+ard!!!