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Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by asha80(m): 4:52am On Feb 27, 2009 |
FG Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol http://www.independentngonline.com/news/tfpg/article03 By Chesa Chesa Snr State House Correspondent, Abuja
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Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by bawomolo(m): 5:01am On Feb 27, 2009 |
wow how many years has this deregulation thing taken them. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Jaylon(m): 5:06am On Feb 27, 2009 |
If this is true, then the Nig Labor congress (NLC) are going to be having their nationwide strike soon Oshiomhole don join politics, so he no fit lead them as usual |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 7:35am On Mar 01, 2009 |
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/editorial_opinion/article02//indexn3_html?pdate=010309&ptitle=Soon,%20We%20Shall%20All%20Be%20Trekking&cpdate=010309 Soon, We Shall All Be Trekking we are not ready for this - definetely not right now. this is nigeria - prices NEVER come down. businesses do not compete for customers, they SHARE them. so after like a month of N65 fuel, enter the N100 and above fuel we are in BIG trouble. no light in my house for two straight weeks. i buy at least 75 litres of petrol a week. . maybe its time to build that filling station. . . |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by StFunmi(f): 7:46am On Mar 01, 2009 |
we are not ready for this - definetely not right now. this is nigeria - prices NEVER come down. businesses do not compete for customers, they SHARE them. so after like a month of N65 fuel, enter the N100 and above fuel Sad My friend quit whining. You want govt to subsidize everything for you?. Why not also ask them to subsidize beer and ashewo for you?. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by otokx(m): 8:07am On Mar 01, 2009 |
St. Fummi you are not being fair; normally this should be good news but everything is upside down in Nigeria. With this deregulation, except for NNPC that is govt owned and has no more than 20 stations nationwide, all the others will just bunch together and jack the prices up and there is nothing the common man can do. This is another way of stealing our national resources through the backdoor. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by blacksta(m): 8:17am On Mar 01, 2009 |
Please refer to my signature |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by StFunmi(f): 8:20am On Mar 01, 2009 |
St. Fummi you are not being fair; normally this should be good news but everything is upside down in Nigeria. With this deregulation, except for NNPC that is govt owned and has no more than 20 stations nationwide, all the others will just bunch together and jack the prices up and there is nothing the common man can do. This is another way of stealing our national resources through the backdoor. If the prices are too high, goods and services will not be rendered and their sales will drop. Nigeria operates on a free market system, so allow the market forces to drag the price down. Again, petrol is about $18 per liter in Sierra Leone but it's less than $1 per liter in Nigeria. Have they all died in Sierra Leone? |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 8:38am On Mar 01, 2009 |
without a doubt, osunashawo belongs in the federal government. her soundbites are straight out of those retards' mouths - pure water costs more than petrol litre for litre because they cut down the price of gasoline in yankee, you are able to pay your ISP and come to nairaland to make noise St.Funmi: olodo making mouth. your 'free market' is what has led the entire world to this sorry pass. maybe if you took the time to read reuben's article instead of blathering about sierra leone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing check out th eprices in other african countries and stop using an anomalous situation in a nation still recovering from civil war as a basis for your stupid argument |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by StFunmi(f): 8:54am On Mar 01, 2009 |
Pay for your gas my friend and stop whining like a eunuch. Stop relying on tax payers money to run your generator especially the likes of you that evade taxes yearly. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by MaiSuya(m): 10:34am On Mar 01, 2009 |
What a sad, sad day for Nigeria. With present global economic meltdown taking its toll on civilizations worldwide, sensible, caring governments are seeking ways of cushioning its effects; but that of Nigeria, not unpredictably, has chosen to be an exception. Apparently, the poverty and suffering of Nigerians is yet to attain its desired level, and so it must be increased through any means possible. Dr. Abati sums up it beautifully in his piece:
Deregulation my a**. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by MT: 12:45pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
@St Funmi, I wonder what manner of "economist" are you. sorry no insult meant. Everything in Nigeria is simply not working. It is a story of lacking in the midst of abundance. Every Nigerian has lost the pride in getting identified with the green-white-green emblem. It is so sad!. Nigerians are tolerant in nature, they can adapt to any situation no matter how harsh. There has been public outrage in the western world, which despite the economic recession, they still have substantial comfort - Their Govts introduce measures that will mitigate the effect of the recession, they collect money every week, have access to free & qualitative medicare etc , even when they do not work or do not wish to work . I am beginning to think if it is a curse being a Nigerian. @St Funmi is talking about taxes. Let me tell you , the word "budget" and "taxes" have no meaning to ordinary Nigerians again. Why will it ?!. The budget have no positive impact on the lifes of the common people on the street , and the taxes are being embezzled by the politicians at the corridors of power. So, please, stop insulting Nigerians and even salute their courage for holding up despite the biting economic recession staring them in the face. In some part of the world, blood would certainly have been freely-flowing as a result of these govt let-downs |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by StFunmi(f): 5:25pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Jeez, why are Nigerians scared of paying the full price for services rendered?. They ask for constant power but will never pay their PHCN/NEPA bill; they ask for constant water but will want a govt subsidized one; same for school, hospice etc. Meanwhile, 90% of them do not pay their taxes, yet they want govt to perform miracle. I am for deregulation, let the govt deregulate everything even our hospitals and you'll watch them perform better. All we should strive for is for an equal opportunity for every Nigerian citizen so that the hardworking ones will always get their efforts crowned with glory irrespective of your tribe,origin or religious affiliation. Nigeria is not a socialist state. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by drossy(m): 7:01pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
st funmi, u obviously know nothing about nigeria,its economy/politics, sadly, u make it SO OBVIOUS!!! |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by StFunmi(f): 7:07pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Pay for your services abeg. No subsidy on gas any more. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by itua10(m): 7:21pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Lets thank God for his blessings by keeping us away from national war & anarchy like other countries & pray for HIM to intervene in these challenging times. People dey suffer for this country -poor infrastructure,no light,no good roads,low level of education,molestation from area boys,etc. We need to start getting things right b4 crime(due to joblessness) takes its toll on all of us. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by kaypinchi(m): 7:39pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Let's pray that the country can move forward now. The statistics provided for, on funds spent on subsidy is frightening. At least, some/part or the whole of the funds can go into infrastructure development as promised. We can then start dreaming of the promised land. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by drossy(m): 7:53pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
the point is this, d govt will always release statistics when it favours dem! all govts of the world will always cushion its citizens in one way or the order! when fares were hiked previously, we were told its because of the black markerters and lots of pther crap, now we are being told that a cabal enjoys subsidy benefits and they must break it. what happened to the good old art of investigating, garthering info and charging to court, if indeed the cabal isnt just you! this is just EVIL!!!! |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by blackweaver(m): 8:26pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
the government has got it all wrong; before they deregulate fuel the first r\thing they should deregulate is the government, remove all those 419 people who are chopping our money instead of giving them subsidy (or immunity) maybe it's time for us to look to other sources of fuel like ethanol so that we can obtain our fuel from agriculture and put those kidnapping terrorists in the south out f business |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by blacksta(m): 8:45pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Nigeria are the greatest masters of adaptation. like fela talk am suffering and smiling. We need a revolution. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Christino(m): 9:02pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Okay, let's now allow market forces to drive prices down like someone said. Since the day I was born, only in Nigeria do prices of things ever increase and never go down except for mobile phones and tokunbo cars! Rice, imported drinks, cocoa, just name it, even without subsidy and at the mercy of independent Marketers, you know every. I no fit shout. Let's hope they aren't feeling the credit crunch hard, I think they just want to fill their accounts just in case the recession refuses to improved. $0.02 pere! |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by TalkSmith: 9:14pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Nigeria, Where is the hope?! The answer my friend is blowing in the winds, the answer is blowing in the winds - Bob Dylan. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by debosky(m): 9:30pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
It's a good idea in theory - without deregulation, the marketers simply waited for the government to import and casually sat by and made profits. No one knows exactly how much government funding goes into the so called 'subsidy' so it's really hard to tell. I think we should remove the subsidy - that is the only way we will ever have refineries that will be attractive to external investors. Without that, they will continue to be run inefficiently, because the same government agencies responsible for managing them are run by guys who will make money by getting a petrol importing contract from the government. We need to plug all these avenues for corruption - since there is no more government subsidy, we can easily trace how much it costs to import the product to how much it costs at the pump - the companies like Oando, Total and others are public companies and we will be able to see clearly what they are making off petrol sales. The government fixed price has always influenced potential refiners - it's so much easier to let the government import and you simply distribute and make a tidy profit - now we will know just how much it should COST. I don't think the marketers will lump together and raise prices - it will not benefit them in the end. Right now government funds are being used to run private businesses - NNPC imports the overwhelming bulk of products, but the retailers sell the majority and make most of the profit. It is a good thing - the artificial low prices being enjoyed in the south west will disappear. They will begin to experience what goes in Eastern Nigeria as well. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by otokx(m): 9:32pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
they should get ready for the reaction of the suffering masses. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by debosky(m): 9:40pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Abati's criticisms are right, but not complete. The fact is this: the failure to go the whole hog in deregulation is the problem - we would increase prices and fix them again, thinking that increasing prices will solve the problem. The petroleum products supply system is highly flawed and imbalanced - people depend on government importation to sell in their stations, why? Let prices float FREELY and then we can arrive at a true price, not some price that gets agreed as a 'consensus' but doesn't hold ground a few weeks later because of market realities. The sooner we free this vital aspect of our national economy from government distortions, the better. Raising prices alone doesn't solve the problem - the major suppliers aren't really keen on importing, government keeps importing and thus stops them from optimising their supply of products - why bother when the govt does it for you? It may cause pain, but for goodness sake, if it is done, then prices will move freely up and down, instead of the dramatic hikes every couple of years. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 9:54pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
debosky: actually, it doesn't quite work like that - what happens most of the time is that the major marketers total, mobil, oando, texaco etal, import the product themselves at full cost, while the FG reimburses them on a later date. trust FG, reimbursement can be delayed for months on end - there was a period when the marketeres actually threatened to stop bringing in product, thats how bad it was. profits are constantly shrinking. thats why texaco pulled out last year. this is how it works. you buy the product overseas. you load it onto your ship.your ship has to wait in line at the jetty to discharge. everyday the ship is waiting attracts a charge(demurrage) and this is a bastard that eats deep into profits. from the ship to your depot. from the depot, product is loaded into tankers which distribute it to retail outlets. anyone in the downstream sector will tell you - tanker drivers are a nightmare. they ALWAYs steal/divert product from their tankers, and they go on strike for the flimsiest of reasons. during the subsidy, all these costs were borne by the marketers. now they will be transferred to us. some may use otedola to argue in favor of deregulation. last year he commisioned his 'diesel direct outlets' where diesel was selling at was it n60 per litre? i forget. but it was way below the prices of other marketers. how was he doing this? well apparently, he was in objs good books. this meant that whenver his vessel docked at the jetty, it would get top priority ie it would be discharged immediately -and fk all of you other losers who got there first. thus he had practically 0 demurrage costs, and could afford to sell diesel at artificially low prices. now that obj is out of the picture 'diesel direct' is dead in the water . we are in for it big time - costs are going to go way up. they are predicting n75 per litre. so my barber, the danfo drivers, okada riders, business centers will all raise their rates to stay even or just to get their pown piece of the action. can someone say stimulus |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by debosky(m): 10:08pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
I disagree oyb - what is the volume being imported by NNPC compared to the marketers? Granted the marketers get delayed reimbursement from the government, but that isn't for the TOTAL import cost, that is simply the SUBSIDY. oyb:This is very key to the problem - the government sets prices, don't factor in demurrage costs and so, regardless of how much it costs you, you must sell at the 'approved' price. Now the marketers didn't complain when they were making steady profit regardless of all these due to government subsidy, but when all these things begin to eat into profit margins, they'll go lobbying government for a price increase, instead of working together to improve import facilities at the port or lobbying for that to be improved. The system in inefficient - why should the government (i.e all of us) be subsidising rogue tanker drivers? Let the marketers deal with that problem. Let us know how much it is costing and let us pay the price. Regardless of the demmurage cost or what not, it is obviously still profitable, if not they would all have packed up. The key is to give them full price flexibility so they can appropriately plan and develop their infrastructure. No one will invest in a refinery in Nigeria because the government fixes prices of products - completely untenable. Government keeps using subsidies as the reason it can't do a lot of other things - let us remove that excuse and demand performance. I would rather have slightly more expensive petrol (we don't even know for a fact that it will be in the long run) than bad roads and all the other issues crying out for attention. during the subsidy, all these costs were borne by the marketers. now they will be transferred to us.Correction - the marketers paid for these upfront, and collected it from the government (US) - [b]we are already paying for it, but no one knows how much. [/b]We will soon see just how much we are paying. As you mentioned, the most effective operator will have the lowest costs and have more sales. it's time we actually knew the true state of things instead of stories. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 10:16pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
Okay, i am going to address this issue since a lot of people are not well informed. The marketers can not just jack up prices as they wish. That is why the PPPRA was established. The PPPRA determines the CEILING price every other month. Marketers then choose to sell at any price BELOW the ceiling price. To those of you crying. Deregulation already started since the price was dropped to 65 naira. At 65 naira, the govt didn't have to pay any subsidy. They are only making it official now. Petrol prices will only go up if CRUDE prices go up. If crude remains at $40 per barrel, petrol aint going up. With regards to Deregulation: Do you guys know that we have been wasting money subsidizing petrol. Does anyone here know about oil bunkering. People buy subsidized petrol from Nigeria and smuggle it to neighbouring Niger where they sell it for 100% more. It's like we are bearing the cost for people in Niger republic. Deregulation is good. The only problem is that the money saved from not subsidizing petrol may not be properly utilized. I think spending 700 billion naira on fuel subsidy is a mere waste of funds. That money could be used to fix Nepa and all the roads in naija. (of course they won't do that) |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Gayigaskia(m): 10:19pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
This is a great move by the government, all this time the Nigerian Government was injecting Billions in the petroleum industry for the Nigerian people. Sadly some Nigerians export these products back in the neighboring countries by fraud. Dr Abati was talking due to the global economic crisis most government have became friendlier with the people, but in he seems to forget that the Nigerian Government has been putting subsidy in the petroleum industry since oil was first discovered and it never worked. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Gayigaskia(m): 10:24pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
What a coincidence, But not only Niger republic ! People are benefiting from this all the way to Mali because it even more lucrative to take it there. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 10:34pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
debosky: no way to deal with em - they are the only available means of distributing product as our railways have gone to hell debosky: beans! well lets wait and see - though with all the reversals nigeria is famous for, i can't see any investor willing buying those refineries. |
Re: Fg Finally Removes Subsidy On Petrol by Nobody: 10:47pm On Mar 01, 2009 |
why the argument here? the govt of Nigeria is not deregulating because of that amorphous group called "market forces". Who are those "market forces"? Members of that very government who have sold our oil fields to themselves and their cronies!!! |
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