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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 2:52pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:I shall ask you just one question "just one", What makes up Salvation? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 2:52pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:every believer has the Holy spirit but not every is filled with the Spirit. Being filled with spirit is a continous act,or better still a demonstration of the the things of the Spirit. Read Eph5:18-19:- Being filled with the Spirit is to Put the things of the spirit to use. Firstly, tongues go only to God ,the interpretation is for man. Either you speak in your church.on the pulpit,in your house,in your workplace. The tongues goes to God. 1cor14:2He who speaks in tongues speaks not unto men but unto God for no man understands him,howbeit in the Spirit he speaks mysteries. Anywhere you speak in tongues.you speak to God,then you give the interpretation to people(the church) not GOD. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 2:55pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Rom 10:9: "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;" Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord and confessing it with your mouth. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 2:56pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
sportsmaster: True. I agree with you. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 2:58pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:I asked you, "what makes up Salvation" and not "What is Salvation" or "How to be saved". So I will ask you again, 'What makes up Salvation?" |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 2:59pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: salvation is simply God gave me his Spirit. Every believer has the Holy Spirit |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 3:01pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Mr. Man, what is your point? Jesus dying on the cross and been raised up for our justification. And the sealing of our spirits by the Holy Spirit. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:03pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
sportsmaster:And the Spirit gives Gift according to his will.... |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:06pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:My point brother is, To understand anything about the Holy Spirit you must understand what make up Salvation. And this, I asked you.So do well in telling me what make up Salvation or better watch and learn as people discuss on these things instead of quoting Scriptures which the understanding to the context depends on what make up Salvation. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 3:10pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Please what does speaking in tongues have to do with salvation? Whether you speak in tongues or not does not depend on whether you go to heaven or not. Speaking in tongues or baptism of power is for enablement in ministry, to help live out the Godly life and to also help in prayers. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:22pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Which Bible are you reading bro that equate Speaking in tongues to Baptism of The Holy Spirit? I will advice you to study the Bible afresh learn from it and Teach what you learn not what you are taught by a pastor. Speaking in tongues in reality have nothing to do with Salvation according to the Bible but according to you and your fellows it has all things to do with it.So to clarify this we need to know what makes up Salvation and for this I will give you a short verse of the Bible filled with great insight on Salvation Acts 2:38. Besides am Olusanya and You? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 3:31pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Who told you I was taught that by my Pastor? Read what I told you earlier on and go through the scriptures of the bible. Anything time there was a baptism in the Spirit there was speaking in tongues. "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God." It has nothing to do with being born again. Although one needs to be born again to be able to access it. Just like being a Teacher or prophet or being able to prophesy has nothing to do with salvation/being born again. I am Jerome. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:34pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Well Jerome is good to meet you. But I will ask you a question "just a question" were the '3000' that believe Peter on the day of Pentecost Baptized with the Holy Spirit or not? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 3:36pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: It depends on what your own definition of baptism of the Holy Spirit is. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:46pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Let me ask then just a question "Just one" What is the Biblical explanation of Baptism of the Holy Spirit" |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 3:55pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Receiving the Holy Spirit is to be born again. John 20:22. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is to be endued with power for ministry and godly life. Acts 1:8. but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4) Lk 24:49 “And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high.” |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 4:04pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:I think there is no point in pursuing this with you.....since you can't see you are saying the same thing. To be baptized is to receive the Holy Spirit Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should be baptized,which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" This is after they have been baptized because of their believe in Christ. Apostle Peter said "They receive" meaning Being Baptized is Receiving the Holy Spirit. The thing is I don't like to quote Scripture upon Scriptures cos it's not necessary to Teach the Truth. See for yourself you have made your own distinction between Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Receiving the Spirit of which the Bible made no distinction cos they are one thing. What I can say to you is "Go and study" |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 4:15pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Don't be ignorant Mr. Man. There is a diff BTW baptism in water, baptism of the Holy Spirit and Receiving the Holy Spirit. Don't allow pride keep you from seeing the truth. Can you please tell us when the disciples became born again? If you feel you can be puffed up with knowledge. So speaking in tongues is only for some special people? I thought by now this erroneous doctrine had been done away with but anyway. The word baptism or baptizo means to be immersed totally in something. When you are baptised in water, you are immersed in water...when you are born again you were baptized into the name of Jesus and family of God...when you are baptised in the Holy Spirit, you are immersed in His power. Go and do a study on that. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 4:23pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:hahahaha...... Let's leave it at that.....hahahaha lwkmd When Christ said 'I have a Baptism to be baptized with" was he dipped into suffering or immersed into suffering according to your definition of Baptized and Baptism? I will Let it slip off......lwkmd... |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 4:25pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Hehe. Na you first ask for scriptures na, so I gave you. And instead of you bringing scriptures you were giving us your own concept or opinion. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 4:26pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:See my modification and see for yourself |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 4:45pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Well from that same verse when He said He had a cup to drink, did He drink out of the cup literally? If you are smart enough, you should get the answer. When John said Jesus will baptise with the Holy Spirit and fire, did anyone undergo any literal fire? Why was all this statements expressed as such? Is the meaning of the word baptism my definition or straight out of the original greek.? 907 baptízō – properly, "submerge" (Souter); hence, baptize, to immerse (literally, "dip under". 907 (baptízō) implies submersion ("immersion", in contrast to 472 /antéxomai ("sprinkle". So what is wrong in saying He was to be immersed with sufferings? What did Paul mean by fellowship of His sufferings? Can you fellowship with someone's sufferings?. If by now you don't get my point, then you are a nut case. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 4:54pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
May I state that I'm not against speaking in tongues. I just don't believe, according to 1 Cor 12:30 that every believer speaks in tongues. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 4:56pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Greek text are contextual read the context in Greek and see if you have not contradicted all you have been writing since. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 5:01pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: I have read it in context. Please do us a favour and show the contradictions you talk about. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 5:04pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: They do sir. All believers in scriptures that had hands laid on them all spoke in tongues. You can do a study yourself. The scripture you pointed out is the ministry gift of speaking in tongues which comes with interpretation for the edification of the church. Not everyone possess that gift. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 5:27pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:In Greek context? if Yes.... then am through if you can't see the contradictions glaring |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 5:31pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Ministry gift? The gift of the holy ghost? They're one and the same. That the believers in acts who had hands laid upon them spoke in tongues doesn't mean that that's the only manifestation of the holy spirit. He could have moved them to heal the sick as he did them speak in tongues. Secondly, @sportsmaster, I agree that we can pray to God in tongues, as the spirit gives us utterance. That's still the same as your "ministry gift", only that one is praying to God. After all, it is the same spirit na. This is what you call "being filled with the holy ghost". We also studied and this is what we have found, not that we listened to some "man-made message" as you implied earlier. Let's look at all these scriptures as a whole, and we'd see that there's no distinction between ministry gifts (in corinthians) and the gift of the holy ghost (in acts) |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 5:55pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: *facepalm* Even if you don't have anything concrete to say, I give up man. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 6:00pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: So explain to us why those 120 people in the upper room. All spoke with tongues but but yet still feel its not for everyone? Are they more special? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:04pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Can we question how God chooses to manifest himself to different people in different situations? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 6:09pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Okay so for those that receive the baptism according to you and don't speak in tongues, how will they know they have received? Will they go and say "okay let me see if I can heal the sick or use the spirit of faith or work a miracle*? Will they have to try one and see if it doesn't work and then try another one and if that doesn't work also they try another one? Won't that be unfair? While the folks that have the gift of tongues know instantly they have been baptised the others would have to keep trying and trying to see which gift they have gotten. |
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