olumide4christ:


I'm sorry Abdulwastecx, I beg to differ a bit on your definition.

NLresidentQS said he saw clay bricks within the floor. That's a hollow clay pot floor slab. If it were a ribbed floor slab or waffle floor slab, there won't be any clay bricks embedded in the floor.
In clay pot floor slabs, there are no indentations when you look at the soffit of the slab. You only see lines of clay bricks & lines of concrete showing the rib beams cast together with the clay pot bricks.
In ribbed and waffle floor slabs, you won't see any clay bricks at the soffit of the slab; all you see are lateral lines of concrete representing the rib beams alone (ribbed floor) or crossed lines of concrete representing rib beams crossing each other (waffle floor), giving the soffit of the floor a wafer-like view, hence the name waffle.

Pics 1&2 - hollow clay pot floors
Pic 3 - ribbed floor
Pic 4 - waffle floor

olumide4christ:


I'm sorry Abdulwastecx, I beg to differ a bit on your definition.

NLresidentQS said he saw clay bricks within the floor. That's a hollow clay pot floor slab. If it were a ribbed floor slab or waffle floor slab, there won't be any clay bricks embedded in the floor.
In clay pot floor slabs, there are no indentations when you look at the soffit of the slab. You only see lines of clay bricks & lines of concrete showing the rib beams cast together with the clay pot bricks.
In ribbed and waffle floor slabs, you won't see any clay bricks at the soffit of the slab; all you see are lateral lines of concrete representing the rib beams alone (ribbed floor) or crossed lines of concrete representing rib beams crossing each other (waffle floor), giving the soffit of the floor a wafer-like view, hence the name waffle.

Pics 1&2 - hollow clay pot floors
Pic 3 - ribbed floor
Pic 4 - waffle floor

abdulwastecx:


As a trained engineering graduate into building I will agree with you totally.

The quantity surveyor I had worked with in the past always under quote reinforcement for any structural work expecially slab reinforcement.

They do this base on their limited knowledge of bending schedule and reinforcement pattern

It is also a common practice to over bill some section of work, especially sub structures.

For a small structure, the client will be better positioned to work out prices directly with builder and be involved at each stage of the job.

For example if I want to build a house with limited budget, I will generally follow the following procedures.
1. I will buy a relatively dry and gentle slop to flat land

2. I will work out mu budget before consulting my architect. By then I will have a big picture of what I want and I much I want to spend on the entire project. For example, I see having more than three toilet for a three bedroom flat as waste of space and money, I see very high roof to be waste of money.

3. I will try to do the soil test if I am building more than a Bungalow, people believe soil test takes too much money but the reality is that when one compare the cost of soil test to the total cost of the building, most time it amount to less than 2% of the total project cost.

4.I will consult a structural and services consultant to do my engineer design for me or give these to the architectural film to do all of them together.

5. At this Junction, I may invite a quantity surveyor to help me prepare a bill so that I can have a general view of how much I will need to spend ( I will set a maximum limit on the building budget).

6. I will plan with the above information on the duration of my project, by dividing the job into stages in accordance to convenience and my budget.

7. I will scrutinized my builders, Give them the quantities estimation to work on, if it fall within what I have on ground, I will proceed.

4. The job will only be awarded stage by stage. I will give a certain percentage at the beginning of each, pay the remaining when that stage has been completed, inspect that stage directly or through trusted third party.
If work done is in accordance to design and our agreement, I proceed to the next stage

topsy23:


Well, see the calculation below;
for a single 3bedroom flat with average of 6people
total number of people for the 4flat would be 5x4=20people.
Daily water usage per person(Averagely) 120Litres per day(FLUSHING, WASHING, BATHING, ETC).

Now: 20x120=2400LITRES.

I stand to be corrected tho.

jossy26:
@oga Ugo, why picking on only excuseme and not maverick, both of them should let us have peace jare; can't believe adult men can be exchanging banters continuously like this....na wa for una tot being in diaspora suppose to make one to be refined but it's not the case on NL. Shame

mavverick:
You mean your original ID's

Excuseme / Lastpage / Commonsense101

Excuseme same old shyte
lastpage mr and mrs, hawking oranges and same person that wants to collect British passport, giving us B*LLSHIT that his wife used his ID, i dont know who has sense pass between you and your wife.
Commonsense101 new kid in the block but all of the above.

Get a life !
What is your motive here ?

danowena:


Nice calculation and it makes a lot of sense. However, you need to review it.

Because u made an assumption of 6 people living in each flat (average),
Thus total number of people ought to be 6x4 =24 people.

Hence using the 120 litres you proposed, the total litres required would be 24x120= 2880 litres.

topsy23:


Thanks for the observation

erico2k2:
well for those of is that have small lands there is hope still for a duplex . Look at what I found just now

abdulwastecx:


As a trained engineering graduate into building I will agree with you totally.

The quantity surveyor I had worked with in the past always under quote reinforcement for any structural work expecially slab reinforcement.

They do this base on their limited knowledge of bending schedule and reinforcement pattern

It is also a common practice to over bill some section of work, especially sub structures.

For a small structure, the client will be better positioned to work out prices directly with builder and be involved at each stage of the job.

For example if I want to build a house with limited budget, I will generally follow the following procedures.
1. I will buy a relatively dry and gentle slop to flat land

2. I will work out mu budget before consulting my architect. By then I will have a big picture of what I want and I much I want to spend on the entire project. For example, I see having more than three toilet for a three bedroom flat as waste of space and money, I see very high roof to be waste of money.

3. I will try to do the soil test if I am building more than a Bungalow, people believe soil test takes too much money but the reality is that when one compare the cost of soil test to the total cost of the building, most time it amount to less than 2% of the total project cost.

4.I will consult a structural and services consultant to do my engineer design for me or give these to the architectural film to do all of them together.

5. At this Junction, I may invite a quantity surveyor to help me prepare a bill so that I can have a general view of how much I will need to spend ( I will set a maximum limit on the building budget).

6. I will plan with the above information on the duration of my project, by dividing the job into stages in accordance to convenience and my budget.

7. I will scrutinized my builders, Give them the quantities estimation to work on, if it fall within what I have on ground, I will proceed.

4. The job will only be awarded stage by stage. I will give a certain percentage at the beginning of each, pay the remaining when that stage has been completed, inspect that stage directly or through trusted third party.
If work done is in accordance to design and our agreement, I proceed to the next stage

abdulwastecx:


As a trained engineering graduate into building I will agree with you totally.

The quantity surveyor I had worked with in the past always under quote reinforcement for any structural work expecially slab reinforcement.

They do this base on their limited knowledge of bending schedule and reinforcement pattern

It is also a common practice to over bill some section of work, especially sub structures.

For a small structure, the client will be better positioned to work out prices directly with builder and be involved at each stage of the job.

For example if I want to build a house with limited budget, I will generally follow the following procedures.
1. I will buy a relatively dry and gentle slop to flat land

2. I will work out mu budget before consulting my architect. By then I will have a big picture of what I want and I much I want to spend on the entire project. For example, I see having more than three toilet for a three bedroom flat as waste of space and money, I see very high roof to be waste of money.

3. I will try to do the soil test if I am building more than a Bungalow, people believe soil test takes too much money but the reality is that when one compare the cost of soil test to the total cost of the building, most time it amount to less than 2% of the total project cost.

4.I will consult a structural and services consultant to do my engineer design for me or give these to the architectural film to do all of them together.

5. At this Junction, I may invite a quantity surveyor to help me prepare a bill so that I can have a general view of how much I will need to spend ( I will set a maximum limit on the building budget).

6. I will plan with the above information on the duration of my project, by dividing the job into stages in accordance to convenience and my budget.

7. I will scrutinized my builders, Give them the quantities estimation to work on, if it fall within what I have on ground, I will proceed.

4. The job will only be awarded stage by stage. I will give a certain percentage at the beginning of each, pay the remaining when that stage has been completed, inspect that stage directly or through trusted third party.
If work done is in accordance to design and our agreement, I proceed to the next stage

3strikes:
Give me 3 more pages and we can declare this thread dead.

erico2k2:
I have been asking a question here with no answer yet, who is it that is meant to hire a QS? Client or Builder/contractor ??

erico2k2:
I have been asking a question here with no answer yet, who is it that is meant to hire a QS? Client or Builder/contractor ??

erico2k2:
I have been asking a question here with no answer yet, who is it that is meant to hire a QS? Client or Builder/contractor ??

twinskenny:


Client...

erico2k2:

Ok
In big construction coy, who provides the Bill of quantity to be used in bidding

erico2k2:

Ok
In big construction coy, who provides the Bill of quantity to be used in bidding

topsy23:


QS prepare bill of quantity and include contingency in-case of variations

jossy26:
@oga Ugo, why picking on only excuseme and not maverick, both of them should let us have peace jare; can't believe adult men can be exchanging banters continuously like this....na wa for una tot being in diaspora suppose to make one to be refined but it's not the case on NL. Shame

erico2k2:

SO if Im getting you rightly in a big construction company ie JB, the QS provides/prepare the Bill of quantity to be used by JB
if thats waht you are saying that means its the builder' responsibility then not the client cos for JB to know how much to tender as bidding it needs to know the quantity and cost the person charged with such responsibility i n JB is the QS and its in house.am I right here?

erico2k2:
I have been asking a question here with no answer yet, who is it that is meant to hire a QS? Client or Builder/contractor ??

3strikes:
Give me 3 more pages and we can declare this thread dead.

mufutau55:


Will you be happy if this thread is dead? And why?

Hajji M.

erico2k2:

SO if Im getting you rightly in a big construction company ie JB, the QS provides/prepare the Bill of quantity to be used by JB
if thats waht you are saying that means its the builder' responsibility then not the client cos for JB to know how much to tender as bidding it needs to know the quantity and cost the person charged with such responsibility i n JB is the QS and its in house.am I right here?

Excuzeme:


Dont mind the 'fowl'.

It is one of those monickers that the LEPER uses when he wants to do his hatchet job.

You cant see l did not even respond to the inconsequential FOWL.

I have decided to end this back and forth, when l said l would do so as a sign of respect to the Contractor whose thread l used as a reference but the LEPER Maverick would not let me be. HE wants to blame me for what happened on a thread l did not write or even know anything about simply because it exposed him as an EVIL FRAUD and ABUSER of Contractors/Artisans


if you check since where l said l will drop this matter, the LEPERS have been using their multiple user i.d's to abuse me and call me all sorts of names like l care.

Let them bring it on, l am not one of those people they pressurise to capitulate, and then pretend like they are friends when in the real sense, its all just smelly HYPOCRISY.

I have asked that this kind of unrelated discussion be moved to the threads created to bash Brabus but they all refused and insist they must derail this thread, even forced Alhaji M to accede to it.



@Commonsense1.
Dont get bothered, it is their standard practice to associate anyone they cant control to Brabus.
They will soon say you are Brabus or you share the money with brabus or you are lastpage or some other monicker that makes them tremble.

I am Excuzeme, l have made my point, l am not willing to bow out for these LEPERS and l will continue to use my id to say my mind.
Apologies to the good people here, l asked over and over again that we not derail this thread but these LEPERS used that to pounce on me.

Maverick is a worker-abuser and KARMA has caught up with him this time around. Brabus is his NEMESIS.
Stop cheating the poor workers after using them to sweat on your house. Their Sweat will ALWAYS be a CURSE on your head.


If the LEPERS shut their shitty mouth, l will sheath my sword otherwise, l will respond to them in kind.

erico2k2:

Bross wen man n woman meet na to born pikin nah
When 41 and 9 meet them go Born 419

NLresidentQS:


Oga Erico, I broke it down for you but you seems not to understand. Now I'll re-explain.

For the records, I currently work at Dantata&Sawoe, Abuja.

Say the ministry of works advertised for pre-qualification bidding for a particular development and Dantata & Sawoe is interested in bidding for the project; Here- Ministry of work is the client. And D&S is the contractor/builder.
Statutorily, Ministry of works has a resident QS that is in charge of quantifying the project, developing detailed cost and and monitoring the figures to be submitted by any chosen contractor among other duties.

D&S receives tender documents from the ministry and gives them to THEIR OWN Resident QS. Also, the architect and structural engineer at D&S prepare detail drawing and forward to the Tender department vis-a-vis quantity surveying department. The QS now prepares a comprehensive BOQ from the information available, valuations and other certificates at the inception of work to be submitted to Ministry.

Now if D&S is finally chosen to handle the development, throughout the construction life, both QSs keep measuring works, comparing values to eradicate corruption. D&S QS prepares daily, weekly and monthly reports, progress of work, access and egress of materials and monthly valuations to be submitted to the Ministry through her QS

The ministry's QS also report to her employer, checks valuations submitted by Q&S, interim certificates and approves payment.

Throughout the life cycle of the project, both professionals defend the interest of their clients fiercely, and make sure work does not escalate beyond allocated cost.

Do you understand sir?

erico2k2:

Garritttt