NL1960:


Get about five(5) quotes. Eliminate the highest and lowest and then take the average of the remaining three and see where it falls. When i was doing my roofing, i took five(5) quotes. The highest or lowest did not get the job. I was watching the women synchronized swimming event of the last Olympics where i heard the commentator explained how the marks are arrived at. She said that there is a panel of five(5) judges. The highest and lowest marks are eliminated while the marks of the remaining three are averaged out to arrive at the score for the competitors.

podosci:

In the real sense of it, you ought to subscribe to the services of a Quantity surveyor, He would quantity your building from foundation to finishing with pin point accuracy.
The Bill of Quantity prepared by the QS would now be the medium you use to select a contractor for your builder or capenter for your roof.
Lets assume the sum of your building according to the QS is 20million, if several contractors come with wuotes of 10m,17m,19m,21m,25m,30m. You strike out the 10 and 17m because they lack the ability according to theire fiancial bid to do the job( it might result in the contractor running away with your money or doing a substandard job for you) , You also strike out the 25m and 30m because they are have gone out of the budget.
You are left with 19 and 21m. Thats were you now look at the competency of the contractor and check previous jobs he/she as done. If the 21m is more competent, you give him the job.
Just like the way clients run away from carrying out a Geothecnical test, is the same way the run away from acquiring the services of a Quantity Surveyor because they want to save cost to the detriment of their building in some cases

back2sender:
Maverick you want to start writing like madam lastpage. No copy bad thing.
Johnny Eghosa has more credibility than Excuzeme and brabus combined. At least we never hear sey Johnny build house when sink.
Madam last page has been relegated to the dustbin of history due to his support of fraudulent act, he came with last page he was dealt a heavy blow, he went back and restragize and came back with Excuzeme and he was given a technical knockout.
Una bad for here, chei dearis is God ooooo

NL1960:




QS is not needed for every project. Should somebody go and subscribe to the services of a QS because he wants to build a small building in his village?.

On this your 10m, 17, 19, 21, 25, 30m example, if we use my elimination method, 10m and 30m are out leaving 17m, 19m, 21m and 25m. The average of 17m, 19m, 21m and 25m is 82/4 which is 20.5m. So, you can use this to take a decision.

If you subscribe to a QS, does the QS normally factor in inflation and exchange rates that can drastically affect the estimates?. I hope you know that most people building do not have all the funds at once. Is time value of money factored in by the QS?. Most people normally stagger a project. So, if QS for instance said foundation will cost x amount when exchange rate was N197 to a dollar, do you have to go back to the QS now that exchange rate is N370 to rework all the estimates?.

NL1960:


Johnny Eghosa was advised to desist from building duplexes and focus on his area of strength which is bungalows. He took the advise and i doubt there had been complaints against him since then.

mavverick:
Is there really such a thing ? a builder that can only do bungalows but is not competent to do upstairs (in this case single story), I think I would just walk away if I knew that.

If it was a case of a builder that can build a standard duplex, and one that can build a structure like 3rd mainland bridge, I can understand that level of expertise and perhaps a team of consulting engineers would be required. Lets remember that some well experienced bricklayers can build a standard duplex and it will be as good as the same duplex built by the engineers who constructed third mainland bridge. I am not saying that engineers should not be consulted, I just feel that a builder that can only do a standard bungalow but not a standard residential duplex is not worthy of being called a builder. Just my 2 cents.

podosci:

The elimination is just an example, You can decide from experience that 17 and 25 would do the job, its even possible 10m would do the job but the likelihood of someone doing a very good job for you with 10m when the actual worth is 30m is very low. Thats why you still need ro use the competency of the builder to select.
Why not subscribe to the Consultancy services of the QS, so he would factor in the flunctuations in the prices of materials over time
The same way people decide a builder/Engineer is not needed for a small project, is the same way a QS is not needed. In Nigeria there is no aganecy to enforce building standards or the agency is not serious about it, everybody is free to build is house the best way he sees fit but i am letting you know the proper way to go so as to reduce the possiblities of being cheated or possibilities of a builder running a way with your money.
The method i explained above is how building contracts are evaluated and awarded by the Nigerian governement but corruption as replaced the process even contracts as low as 10m undergo the same process

beedam:


I found one for you. She is based in Hajj village(Saki).

NL1960:


Have you ever heard of experience on the job or job experience?. The experience needed on a duplex is not the same as bungalow. You can build a bungalow without pillars. There is no decking in bungalows. Do you think the builder who 'messed up' your project does not know how to build a bungalow?. How many collapsed bungalows have you seen or been hearing about?. Building a duplex is not for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

msogunro:


Please check your email.

podosci:

The elimination is just an example, You can decide from experience that 17 and 25 would do the job, its even possible 10m would do the job but the likelihood of someone doing a very good job for you with 10m when the actual worth is 30m is very low. Thats why you still need ro use the competency of the builder to select.
Why not subscribe to the Consultancy services of the QS, so he would factor in the flunctuations in the prices of materials over time
The same way people decide a builder/Engineer is not needed for a small project, is the same way a QS is not needed. In Nigeria there is no aganecy to enforce building standards or the agency is not serious about it, everybody is free to build is house the best way he sees fit but i am letting you know the proper way to go so as to reduce the possiblities of being cheated or possibilities of a builder running a way with your money.
The method i explained above is how building contracts are evaluated and awarded by the Nigerian governement but corruption as replaced the process even contracts as low as 10m undergo the same process

mavverick:
Not to be sarcastic, I can supervise the build of a bungalow myself without the need for a builder, as long as I have a good architectural/structural plan which would have been done based on the survey plan and also valid soil test, I will check everything to the core and ensure it is exactly as stated in the plan. I will bring my own plum, spirit level, square checker L shape thing, measuring tape literally everything I can lay my hands on.

Does that mean that builders are classed as 2 or more tiers ? Bungalows only and upstairs & bungalow.

I still feel that a builder that is only able to build bungalow is not yet a fully fledged builder, maybe an apprentice or at least if at the beginning, you make it clear you want to build a duplex and he/she honestly says, sorry I cant execute such as its more than my capability. How many would say that in present day Nigeria ?

The guy who performed below my expectations with regards to my build (Brabus Bosun Shoyoye) did it out of spite/prove a point, not because he didn't know the right thing to do. He did bad jobs on another peoples site, when they got someone else to clean up the mess "He told them that he was surprised he hasn't been called yet, because there were some secrets he needed to tell them that only he knows about"

NL1960:


So you think a builder that can build a duplex can build a skyscraper?. Do you see Julius Berger doing street roads of about 200meters or do you see the construction companies like 'mavverick and sons' that go to hire equipment to do a small street road of 200meters wanting to do a dual carriage road?. The fact that somebody can drive a car does not mean that he can drive a trailer or truck. Abi, you wan tell me steering na steering. The problem we have is that people that are not competent in an area will tell you that they can do it. If your build was a bungalow, you think it would have been messed up?. Five inches self can be used for a bungalow and not for a duplex.

NLresidentQS:


Spot on.

It's because of the way Nigeria is that we keep arguing about things we shouldn't argue on. I saw a submission up that a client employs QS. That's erroneous in the technical sense, albeit correct literally.

Mr A wants to build a house (client) and employ the service of Harney consult (contractor). Mr A can decide to bring in his QS to keep an eye on all quantities and measurements submitted for payment. And Harney consult, will obviously need the services of a QS for full project estimation, evaluation, measurements and cost control. The contractor and Mr A are both clients (literal) of the QS. Please get it right.

Measurements goes beyond square metres on drawing. Will the architectural drawing also tell you the exact amount of steel you need, the exact quantity of paints, finishes, labour price, bags of cement, roofing materials, wood?

There is a reason there is specialization. Please don't be overwhelmed in our project. If you think you can DIY yourself, my brother, the bricklayers, iron benders, carpenters are way smarter.

Whether it is a bungalow, duplex, terrace, flats, or even roads, employ a QS for your project. It is the right thing to do.

Peace.

NL1960:


Get about five(5) quotes. Eliminate the highest and lowest and then take the average of the remaining three and see where it falls. When i was doing my roofing, i took five(5) quotes. The highest or lowest did not get the job. I was watching the women synchronized swimming event of the last Olympics where i heard the commentator explained how the marks are arrived at. She said that there is a panel of five(5) judges. The highest and lowest marks are eliminated while the marks of the remaining three are averaged out to arrive at the score for the competitors.

battleaxe:
I have used a QS on a small build before and frankly, not sure I would do same for similar builds.

I found a lot of the quantities grossly exaggerated and my understanding was that there were 'standards' based on a guide, which dictates the final quantities in the CORES.

I didn't understand why we should allow for say X(can't remember the actual figure now) percent waste based on Nigerian factors. The contractor of course took advantage of this for his manpower/labour estimates......I.e. Based on the stated volumes/surface area.

If I choose to do this again, I will probably have 2 versions to cater better for labour rates based on quantities listed.

gabbytabby:
Haba Mmotimo your epistle is misguided. If you need to blame anyone in Nairaland then it needs to be Seun who has chosen not to ban Brabus.

Thank God you are Yoruba and a majority of those affected are too as somethings loose their meaning in the translation.

I will start with the saying Aboro lan so fun omoluabi to ba de inu e adi odindi. Some of the victims end up making you loose the will to talk.
Some were warned severally even before they embarked on their project. At what point does the need to give someone a second or sixth or more chances take over the need to protect yourself and your family's savings.

At a point I was saying to myself whatever juju this guy is using is working cos I did not understand the fixation with the need to give chances to a confirmed fraudster it was bordering on lunacy to me.

How do you want hajj to carry matter for head when even the victims are continually dancing with the enemy. One minute they are frienemies chat away and sometimes even socialising and then yawa brakes out and they are showing us their chat and personal info. It was for them to show the way and give Brabus the silent treatment. In the face of Seun not banning Brabus and people ignoring him things will take its natural cause.

Brabus is all that you have said and more but some are guilty of being an enabler.

Unfortunately those that continue to support Brabus should not be surprised when people come for their neck.

Oldlayez:



I used to place you in the category as spyder and co, but everything changed when excuzme pasted that link and what I read there didn't make you look good and here i was thinking that Brabus and eghosajohnny were crooks o.. I can never award any contract to your company. You gossip, you leak personal chats etc etc..

Oldlayez:



...And just like that, excuzme singlehandedly destroyed Adeekiti's brand just because he wanted to get back at you..
Ade, May God give you the grace and wisdom to recover from this huge blow.

mufutau55:


You should not have to worry about giving any job to Adeekiti... I have introduced him to some of my friends who have given him job without any problem. Take my word for it. Thanks.

Hajji M.

NL1960:




QS is not needed for every project. Should somebody go and subscribe to the services of a QS because he wants to build a small building in his village?.

On this your 10m, 17, 19, 21, 25, 30m example, if we use my elimination method, 10m and 30m are out leaving 17m, 19m, 21m and 25m. The average of 17m, 19m, 21m and 25m is 82/4 which is 20.5m. So, you can use this to take a decision.

If you subscribe to a QS, does the QS normally factor in inflation and exchange rates that can drastically affect the estimates?. I hope you know that most people building do not have all the funds at once. Is time value of money factored in by the QS?. Most people normally stagger a project. So, if QS for instance said foundation will cost x amount when exchange rate was N197 to a dollar, do you have to go back to the QS now that exchange rate is N370 to rework all the estimates?
Yes. QSs take into consideration changes in economic variables viz a viz fluctuations in their Estimate.

Excuzeme:


Thank you for making this statement.

That moniker was registered two days ago to foment trouble. it is likely Maverick himself playing his usual double game

Adeekiti does a good job and we all know this.
I am yet to see any of his Client come here to complain, except ofcourse, this same Maverick.

Though the matter has been 'settled' to allow peace, the underlying issue and message is not lost on any honest person who reads the conversation in that thread.

adeekiti:
Sir, all issues were resolved and[b] I've moved on[/b]. If I don't get works on nairaland doesn't mean I can't get offline. We are all human and we don't know where we or our children might meet each other and whatever damage been made at present will affect a lot in the future, so many people are paying for what their gone parents did a long time ago, if we fight today who knows about tommorrow. There is an adage that says "if we don't fight, we can't become good friends" the tongue and the teeth fights and yet they still live closer to each other and they belong to one family. Our ability to control things before getting into war is what makes us mature and grown. Me as a person i don't have any problem with mr Mavverick. If by any means I can remove those post, I will surely do that because Hajj has been a great man and he resolved every issues btw us and all respect to that man. I will beg you In God's name to let go any issues with mr Mavverick, you both are great men who can impact positively to this forum and this particular thread and as you do so it will be well with you and your household. He who is building will finish his/her house in jesus name and he/she that has completed their project "ile atura o". Ohun rere Ni a ma ba ara wa se o(we all will celebrate each other) hajj God bless you and your home sir

Excuzeme:


Just saw this now.

I do not really have a direct issue with him but him and his many user i'd's think they can force everyone to follow them in their chosen path.
If l have issues with him, why would l volunteer to take up his matter, even when it made me an enemy of people like Egunmogaji (before they fell out), Brabus himself and many other people on the other side of the divide?
he has called me about every other person that is not on his side, except to call me Maverick remain!

As a matter of respect to you, l will NOT refer to this matter again.

Stay blessed

jossy26:


Lol, I like your marketing strategy, keep it up bro

Excuzeme:


Your logic is very funny!

What you read on that thread was certainly about a Client (Maverick) who has a reputation for defrauding his Contractors (he mentioned many examples/names from Bricklayers to Welders, to Electricians and himself!) of their entitled pay, at the end of the work agreed

Is he the one you should blame or the Client who was trying to cheat him out of his hard earned money?

But then, l think he would come out to apologise for lying against his Client (if that is what he is now trying to say/do) in his post on that thread

There is something said about "Cowards sitting on the fence".
Anyway, all this Nairaland monikers have proved to be funny, when they may actually be the same person asking and answering the same question.

Notwithstanding, its good they are trying to reach a common ground, at least we know what 'type of person' who and who is.
Its not just Brabus, even some of his accusers are as fraudulent, even not even more, than they accuse him of

Excuzeme:


Your logic is very funny!

What you read on that thread was certainly about a Client (Maverick) who has a reputation for defrauding his Contractors (he mentioned many examples/names from Bricklayers to Welders, to Electricians and himself!) of their entitled pay, at the end of the work agreed

Is he the one you should blame or the Client who was trying to cheat him out of his hard earned money?

But then, l think he would come out to apologise for lying against his Client (if that is what he is now trying to say/do) in his post on that thread

There is something said about "Cowards sitting on the fence".
Anyway, all this Nairaland monikers have proved to be funny, when they may actually be the same person asking and answering the same question.

Notwithstanding, its good they are trying to reach a common ground, at least we know what 'type of person' who and who is.
Its not just Brabus, even some of his accusers are as fraudulent, even not even more, than they accuse him of