malvisguy212:
listen!
Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to.

But in the case of Jesus it was different
,
he was born without a human father
when God’s natural process of PROCREATION had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with God.

My question to you is this:
What was the reason, Jesus having the virgin birth?why dint God just allow Jesus to be born normally like you and I ? Surly their must be reason why God interrupt His very own law of nature.

gatiano:
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax, Devil wicked gan. and devil smart with trick die. See as a grown man is thinking in fairy tale. porter flew with brown. I don't mean to make fun. It is just what it is. Devil na bastard, na die hin go die inside fire. As devils make my beloved brother, a direct descendant of God self think like this, devils and the jinns must burn.

malvisguy212:
listen!
Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to.

But in the case of Jesus it was different
,
he was born without a human father
when God’s natural process of PROCREATION had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with God.

My question to you is this:
What was the reason, Jesus having the virgin birth?why dint God just allow Jesus to be born normally like you and I ? Surly their must be reason why God interrupt His very own law of nature.

lexiconkabir:
very boring

malvisguy212:
listen!
Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to.

But in the case of Jesus it was different
,
he was born without a human father
when God’s natural process of PROCREATION had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with God.

My question to you is this:
What was the reason, Jesus having the virgin birth?why dint God just allow Jesus to be born normally like you and I ? Surly their must be reason why God interrupt His very own law of nature.

malvisguy212:
soo what your points ?

malvisguy212:
The quran say Jesus is sinless and adam is NOT ? Why would Jesus be the only prophet that is without sin?

malvisguy212:

Note: Adam was created innocent and NOT righteous.

malvisguy212:
what your points ?

malvisguy212:
if you cannot answer the questions being asked, why are you still a muslim?

maverickboy:
That it's only God that has no similitude, Jesus has.
Bro, I think u are beginning to add ur own words to Al quran. it never claimed the bolded, and if it does, pls supply us with the verse for clarification. But, I'm 100% sure it never does claim Jesus is sinless and other are not.
Innocent, not righteous I don't seem to get it. pls explain better.

gatiano:
Adam had a Father and was born by a woman.
There must be a sperm to fertilize an ovum. That is the natural way of all life when it comes to living things. Jesus had a Father and He is a physical man.

adewalker:
. "VerilyB our word unto a thing when We intend it,is only that we say 'BE' unto it and it is"quran 16:40,see this is islamic point of view,for God to create the heaves and the earth ten times over,He only says 'BE',for God to create ten billion jesus without fathers He only says 'BE',that is the power of God!.jesus having no father is God showing us his signs!,in ur bible,gen 14;18,hebrew 7:1,talk about a man mechidezek without fatther,without mother,without beginning and end!,will u say this man is God becos he had no parent?of course ur anser is no!,this is God altering all laws for one man!God only alters the laws of universe so people can have more faith,moses dividing the sea,abraham getting unburnt in fire,mohammad splitting the moon into two,mohammad receiving the quran,jonah surviving the belly of the fish,jesus healing the leper,talking in childhood(found in the quran),raising the dead!these is God showing mankind his signs so they will have faith and believe in him

malvisguy212:
why will God interrupt the nature of procreation
Just for Jesus to have the virgin birth? Did the quran state the reason ?

malvisguy212:

Every sane man will understand,as the first created human (Adam) , it is impossible to have father and mother, but in the case of Jesus, God creatures are there BUT still Jesus did not have a natural birth, why ?

malvisguy212:

This proved to the fact that Jesus existed LONG BEFORE he was born into this world.

malvisguy212:

surah 19:19
“He said: I am only a messenger of
thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a
FAULTLESS SON.” (Pickthall)

malvisguy212:

Sahih Muslim, Volume 4, pg 1261:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s
Messenger (saw) as saying: The satan
touches every son of Adam on the
day when his mother gives birth to
him with the EXCEPTION of Mary and
her son.

Why should Jesus be the only man who
is without sin among mankind?

malvisguy212:

The Qur’an admits his sinlessness but gives
us no reason for it. The fact that the
Qur’an testifies that Jesus was a prophet
does not answer our question. Why then are other prophets not described in the Qur’an as being faultless? In fact, quite a few are shown to be wrongdoers. But we must ask again, “Why was Jesus the only one who is sinless and not other men?”

maverickboy:

Surah Maryam, Verse 20:
She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?

21: He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.
(English - Shakir)
There is a reason for that, different from one u attributed to him though.
We all used to exist somewhere before prior to our birth into this particular world. What are u implying?

Surah Maryam, Verse 13:
And tenderness from Us and purity, and he [John] was one who guarded (against evil),
(English - Shakir) as much as I know, Faultless is synonymous to purity, no? So, faultless was used while purity was used for Jesus and John respectively.
and infact, Bible made the two individuals parallel. but I'm not going that way.

Lol, try and research a little about Islam cos it seems u know next to nothing about it. We're all sinless from birth, we incur sins through our deeds. and even, there're certain deeds that when done we can retain our sinless form. You gerrit?
Man, making mistakes is a nature of man but attributing wrongdoings to prophets of God is a step too far. Let's be mindful of our comments so as not to err. Those are the confirmed chosen ones through which God communicate with mankind and attributing the Whatnots that we can't even attribute to the so called prophets of today is very wrong. Qur'an doesn't portray any prophet as a wrongdoer, it's actually a terrible mistake that needs to be corrected from the bible.

maverickboy:

Surah Maryam, Verse 20:
She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?

21: He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.
(English - Shakir)
There is a reason for that, different from one u attributed to him though.
We all used to exist somewhere before prior to our birth into this particular world. What are u implying?

Surah Maryam, Verse 13:
And tenderness from Us and purity, and he [John] was one who guarded (against evil),
(English - Shakir) as much as I know, Faultless is synonymous to purity, no? So, faultless was used while purity was used for Jesus and John respectively.
and infact, Bible made the two individuals parallel. but I'm not going that way.

Lol, try and research a little about Islam cos it seems u know next to nothing about it. We're all sinless from birth, we incur sins through our deeds. and even, there're certain deeds that when done we can retain our sinless form. You gerrit?
Man, making mistakes is a nature of man but attributing wrongdoings to prophets of God is a step too far. Let's be mindful of our comments so as not to err. Those are the confirmed chosen ones through which God communicate with mankind and attributing the Whatnots that we can't even attribute to the so called prophets of today is very wrong. Qur'an doesn't portray any prophet as a wrongdoer, it's actually a terrible mistake that needs to be corrected from the bible.

adewalker:
. "VerilyB our word unto a thing when We intend it,is only that we say 'BE' unto it and it is"quran 16:40,see this is islamic point of view,for God to create the heaves and the earth ten times over,He only says 'BE',for God to create ten billion jesus without fathers He only says 'BE',that is the power of God!.jesus having no father is God showing us his signs!,in ur bible,gen 14;18,hebrew 7:1,talk about a man mechidezek without fatther,without mother,without beginning and end!,will u say this man is God becos he had no parent?of course ur anser is no!,this is God altering all laws for one man!God only alters the laws of universe so people can have more faith,moses dividing the sea,abraham getting unburnt in fire,mohammad splitting the moon into two,mohammad receiving the quran,jonah surviving the belly of the fish,jesus healing the leper,talking in childhood(found in the quran),raising the dead!these is God showing mankind his signs so they will have faith and believe in him

WhoBeThisMan:

Yes God altered the laws of the universe because of us. When Adam sined in the garden of Eden right from that moment man lost his place to satan. Satan was called the god of this world. So why did God send Jesus? John 3:16 days for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that who so ever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

He came not just as the son of God, but as a perfect sacrifice to deal with sin permanently. Previously, the blood of sheep and goat were used. Slaughters every year for the atonement of sin ( that is covering of sin) but the blood of Jesus was for the remission of sins(removal). What better sacrifice is there?

Jesus is the son of God. You believe what the bible says that mary was a vergin, and gave birth th Jesus, you even believe that Jesus did so much miracles such has never been recoreded in history, you believe he castes out Devils with such authority as no one has ever done, you believe He was taken to heaven alive and is still alive and coming again. Why is it so hard to believe He is the son of God?

God himself testified of him saying "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased"

All the prophet even Moses testified of his coming.

Melkezedek in the bible is not the son of God. Jesus is the son of God because God testified of Him as such, and all the prophets prophesied of His coming.

adewalker:
. "...Adam, which was the son of God."(Luke 3:38) "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair... And when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." (Genesis 6: 2,4) "...Israel is My son, even My firstborn:" (Exodus
4:22) "...for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn." (Jeremiah 31:9) "...the Lord hath said unto me (David): 'Thou art
My son: this day have I begotten thee." (Psalms
2:7) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 18:14)
Can't you see that in the language of the Jew,
every righteous person, every Tom, Dick and
Harry who followed the Will and Plan of God, was
a "Son of God". It was a metaphorical descriptive term commonly used among the Jews. The Christian agrees with this reasoning, but goes on to say: "but Jesus was not like that". Adam was made by God. Every living thing was made by God, He is the Lord, Cherisher and Sustainer of all. Metaphorically speaking therefore God is the Father of all.

adewalker:
. "...Adam, which was the son of God."(Luke 3:38) "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair... And when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." (Genesis 6: 2,4) "...Israel is My son, even My firstborn:" (Exodus
4:22) "...for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn." (Jeremiah 31:9) "...the Lord hath said unto me (David): 'Thou art
My son: this day have I begotten thee." (Psalms
2:7) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 18:14)
Can't you see that in the language of the Jew,
every righteous person, every Tom, Dick and
Harry who followed the Will and Plan of God, was
a "Son of God". It was a metaphorical descriptive term commonly used among the Jews. The Christian agrees with this reasoning, but goes on to say: "but Jesus was not like that". Adam was made by God. Every living thing was made by God, He is the Lord, Cherisher and Sustainer of all. Metaphorically speaking therefore God is the Father of all.

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an teaches that the virgin-birth of Jesus was simply a manifestation of God’s power.

Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How
can I have a child when no mortal
hath touched me? He said: So it will
be. Allah createth what He will. If
he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: Be! And it is.” (Pickthall)

The truth of the matter is that the virgin
birth of Jesus Christ was not a random
manifestation of God’s creative power as
implied in the Qur’an. While the fact that it was brought about by the power of God is without any doubt, however, this initself does not explain its meaning or
purpose.Surely the great act of creating
the whole world, with all the animate
and inanimate things in it, out of
nothing are sufficient proofs of God’s
creative power.What necessity was there
to give a new demonstration of this
power?

malvisguy212:

The Qur’an itself teaches that the
mere fact that God could create men out
of nothing is surely proof that God can
raise them from the dead.

Surah 22:5: “O mankind! If ye have a
doubt about the Resurrection,
consider that We created you out of
dust…” (Yusuf Ali)

As such, Allah is saying that no proof of
the ultimate resurrection is needed for
the unbelievers since his initial act of
creation is sufficient for man to perceive
his creative powers. In other words, there
is no need for Allah to further
demonstrate his creative powers. The
miraculous conception of Jesus just could
not have been for the purpose of a
manifestation of God’s power as there
was no visible demonstration of God’s
power for humans to behold when he
caused the conception to take place.

malvisguy212:
what was the reason Jesus had the virgin birth ?

Did you read the hadith I provide or you just chose to believe lies and interpret wrong thing? The hadith say , satan touch ALL soul from birth EXCEPT Jesus.why ? Any reason for this ?
Below are list of prophet who commit sin and ask for forgiveness except Jesus who comit NO sin.

ADAM
Surah 7:23: They said: “Our Lord, we
have wronged our own souls. If thou
forgive us not and bestow not upon
us Thy mercy, we shall certainly be
lost.” (Yusuf Ali)
ABRAHAM
Surah 26:82: “And Who I hope will
forgive me my faults on the Day of
Judgment.” (Sher Ali)
MOSES
Surah 28:16: “He prayed: ‘O my Lord!
I have indeed wronged my soul! Do
Thou then forgive me!’ So God
forgave him.” (Yusuf Ali)
DAVID
Surah 38:24: “And David gathered
that We had tried him; he asked
forgiveness of His Lord, fell down,
bowing in prostration, and turned to
God in repentance.” (Yusuf Ali)
SOLOMON
Surah 38:35: “He said, ‘O my Lord!
Forgiveme’…” (Yusuf Ali)
JONAH
Surah 37:142-144: “Then the big Fish
did swallow him, and he had done
acts worthy of blame. Had it not
been that he repented and glorified
God, he would certainly have
remained inside the fish.” (Yusuf Ali)

The Qur’an also testifies that even
Muhammad is a sinner and is in need of
forgiveness.

MUHAMMAD
Surah 48:1-2: “Lo! We have given thee
O Muhammad a signal victory, That
Allah may forgive thee of thy sin
that which is past and that which is to
come.” (Pickthall)
Surah 47:19: “So know (O
Muhammad) that there is no God
save Allah, and ask forgiveness for
thy sin and for believing men and
believing women. Allah knoweth
(both) your place of turmoil and your
place of rest.” (Pickthall)

The list goes on and on.

maverickboy:
Give me the verse that talks about the erring of Yahya {John the Baptist} if you can't, then this doesn't hold water because anything that's good for the goose should be good for the gander. If simply the fact that Qur'an doesn't contain the mistakes of Jesus made him infallible, then John should be on list of whatever Jesus is. Don't you think?

malvisguy212:
I made myself clear! The hadith I provide say "Satan touch ALL men from birth with the exception of Jesus " satan touch ALL men including john .

gatiano:
Saan deceived the whole world, very true. satan touch all from birth doesn't mean we are born in or from sin. Nobody was born in sin, not even the devils.

what is a satan?
what or who is a devil?

stop reading the hadith without fully understanding the Bible and most importantly The Quran.

malvisguy212:
satan touch everybody from birth, what does that indicate ? Everybody was born innocent and NOT righteous.

lexiconkabir:
get it right! the injeel and the torah! not the bible. injeel emcompasses the statements(gospel of jesus) made by jesus himself through the inspiration of God not what they(paul, john, luke, etc.) said about him(jesus). torah is the law given to moses, not what they said about him. we were never asked to consult chronicles(history that men wrote), galacians, book of mark, book of john, etc.

jcross19:
that's the reason muslims are in bondage and blind because since you people have been condemning the bible you have not be able to provide the original copy to refute the authenticity of the bible , all you muslims claims are just futile , in court of law if there is no evidence to prosecute the suspect then the suspect will be charge acquitted. So muslims should their stupid claim if they can't provide the original bible. The same bible you condemn you are quoting it oooh see hypocrites of islams.

malvisguy212:
I made myself clear! The hadith I provide say "Satan touch ALL men from birth with the exception of Jesus " satan touch ALL men including john .

maverickboy:

Firstly, let's look at the significance of devil's touch on new born babies. Does it have any significance as regards the baby's spiritual wellness? NO! as contained in the hadith (Sahih al-Bukhari,
Arabic-English, vol.8, no.597 and Sahib Muslim,
Eng. Trans. vol 4, no. 6423). All of us are borne in a sinless form, and we're incapable of sinning for the next 41 days. And after 41 days till the age of accountability, we incur no sin for our misdeeds. This categorically means the action of devil towards us at birth has no effect on our state of purity because 41 days after his action on us, we still remain as we were before his action.
But then, is devil just playing prank with a child when he pinches him/her? That one is not clear, but the result of his pinch on babies is what makes new babies cry as scholars stated.
Secondly, the reason why Jesus and Mary were exceptions is not far fetch. While we can't suffer from the misdeeds of our parents, (see Qur'an 4:111; 6:164) we can benefit from their good deeds and their prayers for us will not go in vain. Such is the case of Mary and Jesus; devil was unable to touch them however hard he tried and only touch their placentas instead only because of the prayer of Mary's mother for her child and grandchildren
(q 3:35-36).
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 35: (Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing."
36: Then when she delivered her child [Maryam (Mary)], she said: "O my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and Allah knew better what she delivered, - "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast." Therefore, that Devil couldn't pinch Mary and Jesus at birth was merely because God answered the prayer of His faithful servant on her offspring nothing more and nothing less.

Salam!

maverickboy:

Firstly, let's look at the significance of devil's touch on new born babies. Does it have any significance as regards the baby's spiritual wellness? NO! as contained in the hadith (Sahih al-Bukhari,
Arabic-English, vol.8, no.597 and Sahib Muslim,
Eng. Trans. vol 4, no. 6423). All of us are borne in a sinless form, and we're incapable of sinning for the next 41 days. And after 41 days till the age of accountability, we incur no sin for our misdeeds. This categorically means the action of devil towards us at birth has no effect on our state of purity because 41 days after his action on us, we still remain as we were before his action.
But then, is devil just playing prank with a child when he pinches him/her? That one is not clear, but the result of his pinch on babies is what makes new babies cry as scholars stated.
Secondly, the reason why Jesus and Mary were exceptions is not far fetch. While we can't suffer from the misdeeds of our parents, (see Qur'an 4:111; 6:164) we can benefit from their good deeds and their prayers for us will not go in vain. Such is the case of Mary and Jesus; devil was unable to touch them however hard he tried and only touch their placentas instead only because of the prayer of Mary's mother for her child and grandchildren
(q 3:35-36).
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 35: (Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing."
36: Then when she delivered her child [Maryam (Mary)], she said: "O my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and Allah knew better what she delivered, - "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Maryam (Mary), and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Shaitan (Satan), the outcast." Therefore, that Devil couldn't pinch Mary and Jesus at birth was merely because God answered the prayer of His faithful servant on her offspring nothing more and nothing less.

Salam!

malvisguy212:
listen! Your explanation does not hold ground at all , you failed woefully.

You say" ALL of us are born sinless and incapable of sining" but the hadith I provide say satan touch ALL human from birth EXCEPT Jesus. What is the effect of satan touching All humans from birth ? What effect satan put on a child via the touching, this effect cannot work on Jesus because satan did not touch it. So your explanation contradicte the hadith.

malvisguy212:
listen! Your explanation does not hold ground at all , you failed woefully.

malvisguy212:

You say" ALL of us are born sinless and incapable of sining" but the hadith I provide say satan touch ALL human from birth EXCEPT Jesus.

malvisguy212:

What is the effect of satan touching All humans from birth?

malvisguy212:

What effect satan put on a child via the touching, this effect cannot work on Jesus because satan did not touch it.

malvisguy212:

So your explanation contradicte the hadith.