C2H5OH:

Abeg tell us something new jare.  We know you.

In your perfect society, everything goes.  You would be living in a lawless society without any noteworthy guiding principles.  Nothing short of anarchy is respectable in your book.  Silly guy   .

bawo doesn't discriminate, live life as long as you respect your fellow man

bawomolo:

so let's see, there are casino's, strip-clubs, gambling race tracks in places outside Las Vegas which you are fine with but the gays leaving Frisco and Atlanta is a big issue to you?  Aren't homosexual's human or should we quarantine them from morally righteous people like us?

Not remotely close.  You missed the point of the post by a mile.  The problem is not with the freak show leaving vegas, but with the institution forcing its way into a realm where it doesn't belong.  If it was that bad I would be calling for their heads, but that isn't what I am doing.  I think that stems from your natural inclination to categorize anyone who opposes homosexuality as an intolerant bigot.

basically your problem is homosexuals and not marriage itself. just admit it.

Actually my problem is with both.  What's relevant to this discussion, however, is the marriage aspect of it, so let's continue addressing that issue.

Is the Netherlands the united states?  I believe they have rights in spain too. Change is inevitable

As I said, I may be wrong.  Anyway, the fact that it's drawn so much opposition is enough evidence that this depravation is unworthy of the status it is trying to attain.  Side note, please refrain from drawing any misplaced analogies between the civil rights struggles of African Americans and the "shove it down your throat" whining of homosexuals.

Thanks.

bawomolo:

since when did i have a problem with polygamy, swinging or good ole orgies?  I fully believe in freedom of the individual.

Do you also believe in the rights of the majority to decide whether homosexuality shld be legalized in marriage or you believe the courts should decide that for us?

bawomolo:

Native american and polynesian culture were pretty receptive to homosexual relationship.  What are your objections to gay marriage beside religious reasons?   What tax money would gay people steal when gay community in states like California and Illinois are some of the highest earners in the country.

1. Native american and polynesian cultures? What a laugh . . . its like saying the igbiras legalized polyandry so Nigeria shld vote to adopt it too.

2. I object to gay marriage both from a religious and secular standpoint . . . infact you shld know that many of those who oppose gay marriage are not even remotely religious.

3. Again you are looking at an isolated case to generate a false assumption . . . gay communities in California (a state with serious budget shortfalls by the way) are some of the highest earners (you're probably alluding to holywood) but the vast majority of gay couples are NOT!

bawomolo:

bawo doesn't discriminate, live life as long as you respect your fellow man

Which is why we expect the gay community to respect the decision of the majority.

1. Native american and polynesian cultures? What a laugh . . . its like saying the igbiras legalized polyandry so Nigeria shld vote to adopt it too.

This is your fear, the fear that somehow everyone would turn gay? There is nothing to be afraid off.

Which is why we expect the gay community to respect the decision of the majority.

did this apply to voting rights and interracial marriages in the 50's. What happened to protecting the rights of the minority?

Gomorahh?


Gomorahh

HAHA!!!!

If university students selling their bodies for money in Lagos State U, or 419 scams, or our bleeped up leadership, kindnappings in the delta, and the ridiculous crime rate isn't gomorah enough I don't know what is?

strangleyo:

Gomorahh?
Gomorahh
HAHA!!!!
If university students selling their bodies for money in Lagos State U, or 419 scams, or our bleeped up leadership, kindnappings in the delta, and the ridiculous crime rate isn't gomorah enough I don't know what is?

Hhmmm . . . are we trying to ADD to the problem or remove from it? @Strangleyo.

Leave gay people alone!!!!! Our ignorance is reaching an all time high. Homosexuals have existed way before jesus so how tha hell does it mean end time now? You folks are just paranoid. What crime is exclusive to gays? Is that our problem in Nigeria? Are gay people our problem in Nigeria? Debating on this issue is as stupid as those 1million idiots gathering for sharia law but will never gather for their constitutional rights. The government has no right what so ever to say who you have sex with as long as no one was raped. Just stop being ignorant for once.

9jaganja:

Leave gay people alone!!!!! Our ignorance is reaching an all time high. Homosexuals have existed way before jesus so how tha hell does it mean end time now? You folks are just paranoid. What crime is exclusive to gays? Is that our problem in Nigeria? Are gay people our problem in Nigeria? Debating on this issue is as stupid as those 1million idiots gathering for sharia law but will never gather for their constitutional rights. The government has no right what so ever to say who you have sex with as long as no one was raped. Just stop being ignorant for once.

You are the ignorant one. The debate is on gay marriages and not homosexuality.

If you can't comprehend my comment, simply ask what I meant by making it okay? Who you marry or who you have sex with doesn't concern the government at all.

9jaganja:

If you can't comprehend my comment, simply ask what I meant by making it okay? Who you marry or who you have sex with doesn't concern the government at all.

I read your entire post, and unless you cannot express yourself effectively in english, what you meant is clear.

- The issue of gay marriages, is not about being gay, but rather should a gay couple be legally recognized to be equivalent to an heterosexual union.
- The existence of homosexuality and its societal acceptance are two different things. Depending on your religious believes, one can use the latter as a sign of the end times.
- Homosexual rape (by definition) is a crime that is exclusive to homosexual. Some have actually argued that the strides in societal acceptance for being gay, as led to an increase in the crime, particularly in prisons.
- Who you have sex with and/or are legally married to is the business of the government. Hence laws on statutory rape, bigamy, polygamy and polyandry.
- If you feel that debating the issue of gay marriages is stupid, then you should relocate to a totalitarian society and live in peace.

I still say that your earlier post reeks of ignorance. A simple advice for you: think before you type.

biina:

I read your entire post, and unless you cannot express yourself effectively in english, what you meant is clear.

- The issue of gay marriages, is not about being gay, but rather should a gay couple be legally recognized to be equivalent to an heterosexual union.
- The existence of homosexuality and its societal acceptance are two different things. Depending on your religious believes, one can use the latter as a sign of the end times.
- Homosexual rape (by definition) is a crime that is exclusive to homosexual. Some have actually argued that the strides in societal acceptance for being gay, as led to an increase in the crime, particularly in prisons.
- Who you have sex with and/or are legally married to is the business of the government. Hence laws on statutory rape, bigamy, polygamy and polyandry.
- If you feel that debating the issue of gay marriages is stupid, then you should relocate to a totalitarian society and live in peace.

I still say that your earlier post reeks of ignorance. A simple advice for you: think before you type.

You are inaudible here. We are talking about Nigeria here dude and polygamy is legal and so is polyandry but rape isn't. You can't say rape with the breath you say polygamy or polyandry with. They are different terms one is a crime while the others are family types. The government shouldn't decide what I do with my life and who I sleep with or whose surname I choose to have. It's a private matter and gay people are human beings too so what they do as far as it doesn't stop you from eating or living the way you want shouldn't be your problem. If we ever want freedom, then people should be totally free to be all they want as long as anyone is not affected by their actions. Heterosexual rape nko? doesn't that happen too? . If anyone is raped, the rapist deserve to be prosecuted but if nothing of such happened, people should be all they can.  There is heterosexual rape too so should Heterosexual relationships be banned? Look at it both sides not from your side alone. I don't have to be wrong and you don't have to be right. Simply accept the gay people for what they are and move on. No crime is exclusive to their community. Kids get raped by heterosexual pervs, rape etc, happens too but that doesn't mean heterosexuals should be banned.

Just open your mind and accept people for whatever it is they are. I don't have a problem with gay people but I do have problem with gay people hating straight people and vice versa. There should be no law for or against it as far as no crime or societal illness is exclusive to gay community. Peace

9jaganja:

You are inaudible here. We are talking about Nigeria here dude and polygamy is legal and so is polyandry but rape isn't. You can't say rape with the breath you say polygamy or polyandry with. They are different terms one is a crime while the others are family types. The government shouldn't decide what I do with my life and who I sleep with or whose surname I choose to have. It's a private matter and gay people are human beings too so what they do as far as it doesn't stop you from eating or living the way you want shouldn't be your problem. If we ever want freedom, then people should be totally free to be all they want as long as anyone is not affected by their actions. Your ignorance led you to believe that being a homo means rape. If anyone is raped, the rapist deserve to be prosecuted but if nothing of such happened, people should be all they can.  How is Homosexual rape by definition? Dude or whatever you are, you need to give your brain a shake. Gay marriage is by consent of the two participating individuals.

Just open your mind and accept people for whatever it is they are. I don't have a problem with gay people but I do have problem with gay people hating straight people and vice versa. There should be no law for or against it as far as no crime or societal illness is exclusive to gay community. Peace

Another evidence of your ignorance.
At no point did I equate homosexuality to rape. The statement was "Homosexual rape (by definition) is a crime that is exclusive to homosexual" and simply meant that by the definition of 'Homosexual Rape' it is a crime that is exclusive to homosexuals. Homosexual rape is rape involving people of same gender (often male). Hence by definition you have to be an homosexual to commit it, and thus it is exclusive to homosexuals.

Statutory rape involves having sex with a minor, and even though the minor gave his/her consent, the laws deems such consent invalid as the person is not legally an adult. Thus you cannot go about having sex with any person you want even if it was consensual.
On the other hand, a man cannot be accused of raping his wife, if she has reached puberty.

The legality of polygamy(or more accurately polygyny and polyandry) is a function of under which law you are married. The customary law in Nigeria forbids bigamy, ergo polygyny and polyandry are statutory offenses.

Another example, under customary law in Nigeria, if you are under the age of 21, you cannot get married of your own consent, and will need a written consent (in order of preference) of your father, mother, or guardian.

The meaning of your statement that "people should be all they want as long as anyone is not affected" is always at the crux of the matter. Where do you draw the line?
Society sets the standards, and it is through debates, such as this, that people air their opinions of what they feel the standards should be.

@bawomolo,

Why should an adult give you a reason to get married.  Isn't this the same rubbish that was spouted against interracial marriage?

And why should such an adult force the State to recognise or perform such a ceremony?  Of what use is that relationship to the society? I can see a reason why heterosexual marriage should be promoted and recognised by the State.  Same does not hold true for homosexual marriage.

It should be noted that marriage, just as driving is not a right, it is a priviledge! A priviledge that the State can grant and withhold as it deems fit.

and what subsidies are needed for homosexual partners?

If you know anything about the US tax laws, you will not make this statement.  At the same time, the salaries of the marriage officers are paid by people's tax dollars.

biina:

Another evidence of your ignorance.
At no point did I equate homosexuality to rape. The statement was "Homosexual rape (by definition) is a crime that is exclusive to homosexual" and simply meant that by the definition of 'Homosexual Rape' it is a crime that is exclusive to homosexuals. Homosexual rape is rape involving people of same gender (often male). Hence by definition you have to be an homosexual to commit it, and thus it is exclusive to homosexuals.

Statutory rape involves having sex with a minor, and even though the minor gave his/her consent, the laws deems such consent invalid as the person is not legally an adult. Thus you cannot go about having sex with any person you want even if it was consensual.
On the other hand, a man cannot be accused of raping his wife, if she has reached puberty.

The legality of polygamy(or more accurately polygyny and polyandry) is a function of under which law you are married. The customary law in Nigeria forbids bigamy, ergo polygyny and polyandry are statutory offenses.

Another example, under customary law in Nigeria, if you are under the age of 21, you cannot get married of your own consent, and will need a written consent (in order of preference) of your father, mother, or guardian.

The meaning of your statement that "people should be all they want as long as anyone is not affected" is always at the crux of the matter. Where do you draw the line?
Society sets the standards, and it is through debates, such as this, that people air their opinions of what they feel the standards should be.

Dude, I can be a stupid or crazy person but if there is something I'm not, it's ignorant. I love to acknowledge both sides before I voice my opinion. You said "homosexual rape" is a crime exclusive to gay community what about heterosexual rape? isn't that exclusive to the hetero community? The move should be against rape not against gay or straight people. Rape is rape when one party is forced into the game whether straight or gay. Rape is a sexual assault and I bet we have more of it in the straight community than in the gays have it in their community. Let's not be biased here.

Also, why can't a man be accused of raping his wife if the wife doesn't want it and he forcefully did it? Married or not, you can't force your partner in to it. Just because she's married doesn't mean her freedom of choice is gone.

When I said this issue shouldn't be debated, it's because we have way more issues at hand in Nigeria than to sit down and talk about gay people or not. straight or gay people don't need any recognition or laws based on their sexual preferences. Gay people wanting recognition are just attracting worms to their side. Also when I mistook your comment for what it isn't I read it again and corrected the mistake. You don't have to use the word ignorant on me simply because I don't agree with you. Peace.

9jaganja:

Dude, I can be a stupid or crazy person but if there is something I'm not, it's ignorant. I love to acknowledge both sides before I voice my opinion. You said "homosexual rape" is a crime exclusive to gay community what about heterosexual rape? isn't that exclusive to the hetero community? The move should be against rape not against gay or straight people. Rape is rape when one party is forced into the game whether straight or gay. Rape is a sexual assault and I bet we have more of it in the straight community than in the gays have it in their community. Let's not be biased here.

Also, why can't a man be accused of raping his wife if the wife  doesn't want it and he forcefully did it? Married or not, you can't force your partner in to it. Just because she's married doesn't mean her freedom of choice is gone.

When I said this issue shouldn't be debated, it's because we have way more issues at hand in Nigeria than to sit down and talk about gay people or not. straight or gay people don't need any recognition or laws based on their sexual preferences. Gay people wanting recognition are just attracting worms to their side. Also when I mistook your comment for what it isn't I read it again and corrected the mistake. You don't have to use the word ignorant on me simply because I don't agree with you. Peace.

The homosexual rape was simply in response to your question that "what crime is exclusive to gays". In some countries rape is defined as forced sexual intercourse with the female being the victim and thus , does not cover several forms of sexual assault.

While you may feel that a man should be prosecuted for forced intercourse with his wife, the other side will argue it as spousal obligations. Irrespective, I only noted that Nigeria does not criminalize marital rape (as at 2003).

People should be free to debate whatever they want, and each should decide which issues are of higher importance to them.

For someone who seems to have an issue with being called ignorant, I advise you caution your use of the word (and its derivatives). For reference check your initial post.
Do unto others as thou have others do unto thee

That being said, I apologize if you felt offended.

Gods Law in the Torah commands us to kill the so called gay, lesbian, transexual, pedophiles, zoophiles, rapists,

So kill them all people you are justified my the Torah. Yahveh be Praised.

We are living in the system of Sedom and Gemorah but all is not lost.

We can fight for righteousness and purity. No more abortions of babies.

They are murdering babies is millions all over the world. Wake up,people.

The evil army of haSatan is on the march. Join the battle against evil. Fight hard against this injustice.

Dont let sexual immorality paralyse yur soul take action against the christian hypocrites who are saying its ok

to be gay to be corrupt. Gay marriage is trap to make young people think being gay is ok. It is a sin against your soul.

Yah God is real and he is holy and we are supposed to be holy like Him. Read the Torah.

David, I totally agree with you. Nigeria is bad enuf already and to legalize gay marriages would be the final straw that would break our camels back. There are better proposals to pass, better morals and values to be taught and dispersed within this country. My mum infers that part of what is sustaining Nigeria n NIgerians until this day is prayers. Perhaps only a few people pray for the country, but it has proved sustainable. Gay marriages would create a new culture that overlook all others and persuade us to completely lose our already depreciating value.

By the way, we know a few homosexuals around and it's good enuf they are ashamed of themselves, to legalize such sodomic act is undoubtedly a sure path to destruction. One wonders why the bible places emphasis on this fact during the days of Lot, one also wonders why the bible says a person shouldnt wear what belongs to the other sex, (which entirely depends on what is understood to be men's wear).

I am f and attracted to both m n f but understand my likeness for f only ends at admiration.

ifele:

Gods Law in the Torah commands us to kill the so called gay, lesbian, transexual, pedophiles, zoophiles, rapists,

So kill them all people you are justified my the Torah. Yahveh be Praised.

I think i agree with you.
Watching 2 gays make out is highly repugnant.
Somebody should please tell em that.