Jessicha:

Am hearing this for the first time , then that mean Adam exist before God create him ?

Yes. " Male and female created him them" was before "...and God breathed into man and man became a living SOUL"


hmmmm

" and the spirit return to God" eccl 12 :7 , are you saying God is in hell fire ?

Hell fire is in God. Nothing exists outside God. "In him all things consist"

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ATMC:
Hell fire is in God. Nothing exists outside God. "In him all things consist"

Correct. And through the unending torture of the disobedient shall His Holy Revenge be complete.

TrajansKong:


Correct. And through the unending torture of the disobedient shall His Holy Revenge be complete.

The disobedient won't be tortured unendingly. This is because they don't have the unending life. They perish.

ATMC:
Yes. " Male and female created him them" was before "...and God breathed into man and man became a living SOUL"


hmmmm

Did Adam exist before God create him ?

Hell fire is in God. Nothing exists outside God. "In him all things consist"

Bible verse that said hellfire is in God ?

Jessicha:


Did Adam exist before God create him ?





Bible verse that said hellfire is in God ?

My post is very explicit. In the multitude of words is wanted no sin. Read gen 1&2.

Jessicha:


Is death and Hades person that can be burned ?

don't know all I know is that he is the last enemy to be destroyed.

What is hades ?

Hades is deaths escort.

I need answers to those two question



Am yet to see a dead person whose two eyes vanish in their socket to hell , the dead are buried with their two eyes . Its either Jesus is lying or you are confused

Your point is not valid, Jesus' use of a metaphor does not demise the existence of a burning hell, I want to believe you know his style of writing very well. Check this out:

Jude 7New International Version (NIV)

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Jessicha:

I have some questions o

What is a soul ?

Show me the bible verse that said soul is immortal ?

Soul is our immortal body.
The bible talked about soul in the the book of matthew 16:26 KJV
And also 1corinthians 15:53-54
Ezekiel 18;4
Most of all matthew 10:28 says do not fear those who kill the body but can not kill the soul but rather fear him who can destroy both soul nd body in hell

paulGrundy:
don't know all I know is that he is the last enemy to be destroyed.



Hades is deaths escort.

notice the color ; destroyed , not eternal torment .

Your point is not valid, Jesus' use of a metaphor does not demise the existence of a burning hell, I want to believe you know his style of writing very well. Check this out:

Jude 7New International Version (NIV)

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

OMG ! Does that now mean Sodom and Gomorah is still burning with fire ?

ebbybest:

Soul is our immortal body.
The bible talked about soul in the the book of matthew 16:26 KJV
And also 1corinthians 15:53-54
Ezekiel 18;4

You are confuse , soul is immortal body yet you quote ezekiel 18:4 that said soul die , can something immortal die ?

Most of all matthew 10:28 says do not fear those who kill the body but can not kill the soul but rather fear him who can destroy both soul nd body in hell

Again the bible said it can be destroyed declaring it as mortal , see color

this is why i said that its only Al-Quran can provide straight forward answer to the subject matter. in an Al-Quran Allah said: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our revelation, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty and Wise. [quran 4-56]. This verse of Al-Quran also prove the discovery of Prof. Tegatat Tejasen '' on Pain Receptors in Skin'' Righ. Prof discover that its this our particular skin that we use to feel pain and that the moment the skin is remove we can no longer feel the pain therefore anybody that enter hell fire can only feel the pain for a while and immidiately the skin is remove that person will no longer experience the pain but Al-Quran said no we will continue to change their skin, that they may continue to taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty and Wise

minifuworld:
this is why i said that its only Al-Quran can provide straight forward answer to the subject matter. In an Al-Quran Allah said: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our revelation, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty and Wise. [quran 4-56]. This verse of Al-Quran also prove the discovery of Prof. Tegatat Tejasen '' on Pain Receptors in Skin'' Righ. Prof discover that its this our particular skin that we use to feel pain and that the moment the skin is remove we can no longer feel the pain therefore anybody that enter hell fire can only feel the pain for a while and immidiately the skin is remove that person will no longer experience the pain but Al-Quran said no we will continue to change their skin, that they may continue to taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty and Wise

Nah! All Skin decay in the grave .

Jessicha:

Nah! All Skin decay in the grave .

you are wiser than your God abi

minifuworld:
you are wiser than your God abi

Use your commonsense . Both man and animals decay , since you know they wont decay but the skin will be changed , why do you bury those that died ? You should have leave them now since their skin will be changed ... True to God , u will be suprised that no skin go change . You sef no go fit come near am .

paulGrundy:
don't know all I know is that he is the last enemy to be destroyed.



Hades is deaths escort.



Your point is not valid, Jesus' use of a metaphor does not demise the existence of a burning hell, I want to believe you know his style of writing very well. Check this out:

Jude 7New International Version (NIV)

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Jessicha has said its either you are confused or jesus is not right. Ur reply shows you are confused.
You started by quoting the scriptures, now you are making statements without scriptural backup.

Hades is an escort indeed!

Now let me ask you this :
1.What burns in hell, the soul , the body or spirit or any combination of the three of them.
2. What part of the 3 is in control of mans consciouness.
3. You said something about ressurection earlier, do you go to hell before or after ressurection ?
4. The ressurection you mentioned in which the mortals take on imortality, what happens to those who do not take on imortality or are not raptured.
5. What is the difference between the first ressurection and other resurrections?
6. Is sodom and gomorra still burning ?

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Jessicha:


You are confuse , soul is immortal body yet you quote ezekiel 18:4 that said soul die , can something immortal die ?


Again the bible said it can be destroyed declaring it as mortal , see color

U are the one who is most confused here.
I rebuke you in the name of the lord. U can't understand these things but pray for understanding

dolphinheart:



Jessicha has said its either you are confused or jesus is not right. Ur reply shows you are confused.
You started by quoting the scriptures, now you are making statements without scriptural backup.


Hades is an escort indeed!


Now let me ask you this :
1.What burns in hell, the soul , the body or spirit or any combination of the three of them.
2. What part of the 3 is in control of mans consciouness.
3. You said something about ressurection earlier, do you go to hell before or after ressurection ?
4. The ressurection you mentioned in which the mortals take on imortality, what happens to those who do not take on imortality or are not raptured.
5. What is the difference between the first ressurection and other resurrections?
6. Is sodom and gomorra still burning ?

Lools @bold .

ebbybest:

U are the one who is most confused here.
I rebuke you in the name of the lord. U can't understand these things but pray for understanding

Pls can you use the scriptures to explain to her how the soul enters man, what the soul is and how it is immortal.

Some say the soul is the conscious part of man. Pls is the brain the soul? If I do something to my brain , will it affect my consciouness?
What happens to the soul when a man is in coma, is he conscious , or the soul too is In coma ?

ebbybest:

U are the one who is most confused here.
I rebuke you in the name of the lord. U can't understand these things but pray for understanding

" Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing ... It is not right for things to happen this way " James 3:10

Jessicha:


notice the color ; destroyed , not eternal torment

Lake of fire in revelation 20:14, has one of its greek meaning to be eternal torment .

OMG ! Does that now mean Sodom and Gomorah is still burning with fire ?

No, but a similar experience would happen to our generation. Hence it serves as an example to us.

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

Jesus here gives us a clear picture of how the world would be destroyed, by fire.

paulGrundy:


Lake of fire in revelation 20:14, has one of its greek meaning to be eternal torment .

No, but a similar experience would happen to our generation. Hence it serves as an example to us.

Dude stop blabbing.

Reconcile pls :

" death cast into the lake of fire which is second DEATH " Rev 20:14

" Death will be ' DESTROYED ' - 1 cor 15:26

" death is swallowed up forever" Isa 25:8

" Death will be no more " Rev 21:4

How does all this correspond to eternal torment pls ?

paulGrundy:


No, but a similar experience would happen to our generation. Hence it serves as an example to us.

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

Jesus here gives us a clear picture of how the world would be destroyed, by fire.

But How does this mean eternal torment ? Cant you see ; @ blue

Jessicha:


Dude stop blabbing.

Reconcile pls :

" death cast into the lake of fire which is second DEATH " Rev 20:14

" Death will be ' DESTROYED ' - 1 cor 15:26

" death is swallowed up forever" Isa 25:8

" Death will be no more " Rev 21:4

How does all this correspond to eternal torment pls ?

I believe this scripture will provide you an alternative view on your interpretation.

Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

“False prophet“, “devil“, “cast in fire“, “torment“. Those are powerful words you can't overlook. The only information the bible provided to us about death is that he is an enemy that would be destroyed last. Is he a person? I don't know, is it inanimate? I don't know. Problem occurs when we try to provide a reasoning our biblical exegenisis or dismiss scriptural texts because we feel they sound illogical. that probably explains the several back and forth contradictions of the watchtower surrounding this subject.

Jessicha:


But How does this mean eternal torment ? Cant you see ; @ blue

Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

These two scriptures have a strong connection- brimstone, fire, torment. The answer is clear, Jesus was clear you just aren't the one seeing it.

Here is the Bible's explanation of hell,from Jw.org( do well to visit it and u'l be glad u did)
Hell (“Sheol” and “Hades” in the Bible’s original languages) is simply the grave, not a place of fiery torment. Who go to hell? Both good people and bad people. (Job 14:13; Psalm 9:17) The Bible says that this common grave of mankind is “the house of meeting for everyone living.”—Job 30:23.

Even Jesus went to hell when he died. However, “he was not kept in hell,” because God resurrected him.—Acts 2:31, 32, The Bible in Basic English.

Is hell eternal?

All those who go to hell will come back out, brought to life by Jesus through God’s power. (John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15) Speaking of that future resurrection, the prophecy at Revelation 20:13 says that “death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them.” (King James Version) Once hell has been emptied, it will no longer exist; no one will ever go there again because “death will be no more.”—Revelation 21:3, 4; 20:14.

Not everyone who dies goes to hell, though. The Bible shows that some people become so steeped in wickedness that they are beyond repentance. (Hebrews 10:26, 27) When such ones die, they go, not to hell, but to Gehenna, which is a symbol of everlasting destruction. (Matthew 5:29, 30) For example, Jesus indicated that some of the hypocritical religious leaders in his day would go to Gehenna.—Matthew)

More explanations of hell from Jw.org.
What does the Bible say?
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.

The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.

Is not this definition of hell more logical and in harmony with Scripture? What crime, however horrible, could cause a God of love to torture a person endlessly? (1 John 4:8 )

Compare these Bible verses: Psalm 146:3, 4; Acts 2:25-27; Romans 6:7, 23

FACT:

God does not punish people in hell

paulGrundy:


I believe this scripture will provide you an alternative view on your interpretation.

Let the scripture explain itself , death is thrown into the Lake of fire means death will be no more ( Rev 21:4 ) ,

Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If This mean Satan will be tormented, then that means A Symbolic BEAST will be tormented in a literal fire ?

Ezekiel 28: 13 - 19 said Satan will cease to exist for all time .

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Death is a condition , just like sickness is a condition , hell in this verse refer to the grave . You mean the grave will be tormented ?

The scripture itself explains the lake of fire as symbolizing the second DEATH ( rev 20:14 ; rom 6:23 )

“False prophet“, “devil“, “cast in fire“, “torment“. Those are powerful words you can't overlook. The only information the bible provided to us about death is that he is an enemy that would be destroyed last. Is he a person? I don't know, is it inanimate? I don't know. Problem occurs when we try to provide a reasoning our biblical exegenisis or dismiss scriptural texts because we feel they sound illogical. that probably explains the several back and forth contradictions of the watchtower surrounding this subject.

Oga , hell ( Grave) will be cast into fire abi ? Use your commosense , when death cease to exist as stated in Rev 21:4 , The Grave automaticaly cease to exist too .

paulGrundy:


Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

If this mean Satan will be tormented , then you must admit that a Symbolic beast will also be tormented ? Remember they will be in the same condition .

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and [size=25] destroyed them all [/size] . Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

These two scriptures have a strong connection- brimstone, fire, torment. The answer is clear, Jesus was clear you just aren't the one seeing it.

Jesus was clear , he stated it that they were destroyed !

paulGrundy:


I believe this scripture will provide you an alternative view on your interpretation.

Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

“False prophet“, “devil“, “cast in fire“, “torment“. Those are powerful words you can't overlook. The only information the bible provided to us about death is that he is an enemy that would be destroyed last. Is he a person? I don't know, is it inanimate? I don't know. Problem occurs when we try to provide a reasoning our biblical exegenisis or dismiss scriptural texts because we feel they sound illogical. that probably explains the several back and forth contradictions of the watchtower surrounding this subject.

Verse 14 : death and hell are cast into the lake of fire ! Lets assume you are a jjc who dont know the meaning of death , hell nko ? Is fire going to be cast into fire or what ? Pls explain

paulGrundy:


Revelation 20:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Devil , A SPIRIT CREATURE will be harmed by a literal fire ? Sorry , you are mistaken because you dont get the symbolism in that verse . " He makes his angels SPIRITS, his ministers a CONSUMING FIRE" psalm 104: 4 , satan himself is a consuming fire , so fire will be cast into fire right ? You are grossly mistaken .

Luke 17:28-30 ...'Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and [size=26]destroyed them[/size] all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed'

These two scriptures have a strong connection- brimstone, fire, torment. The answer is clear, Jesus was clear you just aren't the one seeing it.

Of course , Jesus said They were destroyed , Sodom and Gomorah cease to exist for all time .

austinoeze:
The Bible made us to believe that this our mortal body will definitely die and decompose in the earth which is true because people have been dying and their bodies decompose in the soil.
Now my question is:
"if truly our bodies would die and decompose to soil, what will then burn in the said 'Hell fire'?"

The soul is what will burn

Now depending at which stage or phase, souls will be purified by fire, and souls will be destroyed as in burnt for destruction (i.e. die) in the Lake of Fire

Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge.
And I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands.
They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
- Revelation 20:4

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the SOULS of all who had been martyred for the word of God
and for being faithful in their testimony
- Revelation 6:9

austinoeze:
This is a question I kept asking people that claim to be more closer to God,
but till this day I've not gotten a convincing answer

You wont get a convincing answer because afterlife, Sheol (i.e. the original Hebrew concept of afterlife) now has gray lines shared with Gehenna (i.e. the refuse dump in Jerusalem hyperbolically referred to by Jesus in Matthew 5:29 Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47) and Hell (i.e. a Greek mythology and Greek concept of afterlife) which arent really understood
The etymology of afterlife from a Jewish concept (i.e. Sheol, with 2 sections) has changed over time and Sheol, since has being interchangeably replaced with Gehenna and Hell

Jessicha:
Verse 14: death and hell are cast into the lake of fire!
Lets assume you are a jjc who dont know the meaning of death, hell nko?
Is fire going to be cast into fire or what? Pls explain

Bravo! You're a smart person

Jessicha:
Devil, A SPIRIT CREATURE will be harmed by a literal fire? Sorry, you are mistaken because you dont get the symbolism in that verse . "
He makes his angels SPIRITS, his ministers a CONSUMING FIRE" psalm 104: 4,
satan himself is a consuming fire, so fire will be cast into fire right? You are grossly mistaken

You are grossly mistaken ma, God is a consuming fire and not satan

Jessicha:
Of course, Jesus said They were destroyed, Sodom and Gomorah cease to exist for all time.

I am hungry I can eat a horse.
Everyone knows this is a hyperbole, Jesus too often uses hyperboles to get the seriousness of messages through