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Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 11:34am On Jan 08
solomonawotide:


Dear Kashif,

I have not scanned again since I came back to Lagos. The sluggishness is evident after shifting to gear 3 while about to climb the hills. The sluggishness did not stop till I got to Lagos but the hills from Ore to Lagos are not as high as asaba -Benin road. When the gear is cold, it jerks when I shift to reverse position.


Scan again. If your tech can look at live transmission data, it will be helpful.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by shotuns: 2:07pm On Jan 09
@ kashif
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Kashif:


Like you have been advised, get external cooler.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by xvbill(m): 9:18pm On Jan 29
Man i like your pasion
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 8:53am On Feb 05
xvbill:
Man i like your pasion

Thanks bro.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by haroon4truths(m): 10:37am On Feb 05
Kashif:
Valve body washed and cleaned. The next step would be to check all ports for leakages. If any is out of spec, it will be repaired. My chinko vacuum pump died on me without doing much angry cry. Need to get another soon - praying for time....

I will post test results when ready; enjoy!

Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 5:01pm On Feb 13
I did mention that I increased the pressure in the transmission due to the fear of a possibly worn clutch. Saturday, I decided to return it to spec (I was hearing little engagement clunks).

On opening the drain plug, I was pleasantly surprised that the ATF was as pink as it was when I worked on this transmission. Could it be the elevated pressure holding the clutches and brakes tight, with minimal wear? Good to know! grin grin

On a side note, after dropping and adjusting the valve body, I coupled everything back, refilled fluid, reset adapts and it was time to test. Engaged reverse, there was no movement. Neutral, and there was a jerk, and there was forward movement! Drive - forward movement. Engaged reverse again, and there was forward movement! So, I had forward in all ranges! LOL! grin grin. So it clicked! I did not connect the manual valve. Very funny but a fundamental oversight. Wacked myself on the head!

Had to drain fluid, drop pan and VB again, just to connect the manual valve. After that punishment, everything was fine again. Thank God I kept that day to myself!

Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by onwards: 9:15am On Feb 14
Kashif:
I did mention that I increased the pressure in the transmission due to the fear of a possibly worn clutch. Saturday, I decided to return it to spec (I was hearing little engagement clunks).

On opening the drain plug, I was pleasantly surprised that the ATF was as pink as it was when I worked on this transmission. Could it be the elevated pressure holding the clutches and brakes tight, with minimal wear? Good to know! grin grin

On a side note, after dropping and adjusting the valve body, I coupled everything back, refilled fluid, reset adapts and it was time to test. Engaged reverse, there was no movement. Neutral, and there was a jerk, and there was forward movement! Drive - forward movement. Engaged reverse again, and there was forward movement! So, I had forward in all ranges! LOL! grin grin. So it clicked! I did not connect the manual valve. Very funny but a fundamental oversight. Wacked myself on the head!

Had to drain fluid, drop pan and VB again, just to connect the manual valve. After that punishment, everything was fine again. Thank God I kept that day to myself!

Salute!
Want to be like you when I grow up... Really.
Good thing about DIY is the confidence it instills into you when you finally get it right.

Took one year plus and you still stuck at it.
Salute once again!
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 12:18pm On Feb 14
onwards:


Salute!
Want to be like you when I grow up... Really.
Good thing about DIY is the confidence it instills into you when you finally get it right.

Took one year plus and you still stuck at it.
Salute once again!

Thanks.

Its been working since July last year. Just needed to undo something I did then (as a precautionary measure), and in the process, needed to get the valvebody out again.

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Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by chimdilawson: 7:35pm On Feb 20
Mr. Kashif, well done boss! I stumbled on this thread whilst searching on net for a forum that has useful info relating to gear issues, what more? This thread you created is undoubtedly the best! To think that you ain't really a mechanic but dedicated so much time to finding a solution to what transpired on your transmission, mehn, I'm perplexed! Your own engineer na talent/gift.. Lemme briefly narrate my ordeal.

So "recession" is here and a young man decided he should use his life savings so far to get a vehicle and make ends meet from transportation... I opted for a Sienna, tokunbo is quite on the high side, way above what I had, so Nigerian used was the alternative... So I saw this 2005 AWD Toyota Sienna on OLX, went along with a mechanic recommended by a friend to check the vehicle out, he drove it, said engine and transmission were good! "Minor services such as working on the suspension, changing steering oil pump and gearbox oil pump/seal", so I got the car.. Whilst driving down home, got into a pot hole with both legs on speed, 5 mins later, front legs sized whilst on speed (thank God it didn't result to an accident), tried moving the car and it kept on this struggling to move thing with a severe grinding sound, had to park and had it towed down the next day to his workshop. On getting there, started the car and discovered the seizure was not longer there and the car was moving normal front and back, told him it seems this ish was gone, he insisted it's a problem with "axle differential" and had to be worked on else it would repeat again.. Lemme cut this story, after spending so much for the fix of the axle differential, change of gearbox oil pump and the suspensions, now I went back to check on the progress, went for a test drive, it was a whole new problem When car was driven for like 10mins, it stops to move, would remain static, I kept firing and no way! Turned off engine, returned gear selection to neutral and pushed the car outta the road, turned on engine again and selected reverse, it moved, sent back to drive and it moved, back to the workshop, he called someone who's supposedly a gearbox specialist, and he recommended a filter should around the gear really don't know what that meant, should be changed or cleaned properly.. I came back the next day he said he had done that.. I went for a test drive again, now car doesn't stop moving on it's own, but I noticed too many abnormalities....

When I turn on the car and select reverse, it doesn't move, once I take it to drive and move forward a bit and then return it to reverse then it moves, the reverse can't/struggles to climb a hill, each time I transmit it, it makes this "giggi" strong sound, doesn't pick up fine from start but pick later and comes with a really rattling noise!

Help!!!! I'm feeling the transmission is ruined!

The mech guy said the gear is 10pin, that it comes with 13pin but it seems the previous owner prolly changed it to the 10pin..

Please I need your professional advise /suggestion, I reside in Port Harcourt... I'm afraid of taking it back to the mechanic guy as I feel they would destroy more things in course of repairs cos this ish started after the supposedly axle differential repairs..
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 9:55pm On Feb 20
chimdilawson:
Mr. Kashif, well done boss! I stumbled on this thread whilst searching on net for a forum that has useful info relating to gear issues, what more? This thread you created is undoubtedly the best! To think that you ain't really a mechanic but dedicated so much time to finding a solution to what transpired on your transmission, mehn, I'm perplexed! Your own engineer na talent/gift.. Lemme briefly narrate my ordeal.

So "recession" is here and a young man decided he should use his life savings so far to get a vehicle and make ends meet from transportation... I opted for a Sienna, tokunbo is quite on the high side, way above what I had, so Nigerian used was the alternative... So I saw this 2005 AWD Toyota Sienna on OLX, went along with a mechanic recommended by a friend to check the vehicle out, he drove it, said engine and transmission were good! "Minor services such as working on the suspension, changing steering oil pump and gearbox oil pump/seal", so I got the car.. Whilst driving down home, got into a pot hole with both legs on speed, 5 mins later, front legs sized whilst on speed (thank God it didn't result to an accident), tried moving the car and it kept on this struggling to move thing with a severe grinding sound, had to park and had it towed down the next day to his workshop. On getting there, started the car and discovered the seizure was not longer there and the car was moving normal front and back, told him it seems this ish was gone, he insisted it's a problem with "axle differential" and had to be worked on else it would repeat again.. Lemme cut this story, after spending so much for the fix of the axle differential, change of gearbox oil pump and the suspensions, now I went back to check on the progress, went for a test drive, it was a whole new problem When car was driven for like 10mins, it stops to move, would remain static, I kept firing and no way! Turned off engine, returned gear selection to neutral and pushed the car outta the road, turned on engine again and selected reverse, it moved, sent back to drive and it moved, back to the workshop, he called someone who's supposedly a gearbox specialist, and he recommended a filter should around the gear really don't know what that meant, should be changed or cleaned properly.. I came back the next day he said he had done that.. I went for a test drive again, now car doesn't stop moving on it's own, but I noticed too many abnormalities....

When I turn on the car and select reverse, it doesn't move, once I take it to drive and move forward a bit and then return it to reverse then it moves, the reverse can't/struggles to climb a hill, each time I transmit it, it makes this "giggi" strong sound, doesn't pick up fine from start but pick later and comes with a really rattling noise!

Help!!!! I'm feeling the transmission is ruined!

The mech guy said the gear is 10pin, that it comes with 13pin but it seems the previous owner prolly changed it to the 10pin..

Please I need your professional advise /suggestion, I reside in Port Harcourt... I'm afraid of taking it back to the mechanic guy as I feel they would destroy more things in course of repairs cos this ish started after the supposedly axle differential repairs..

Wow! What an ordeal! I empathise with you, but with all I have read above, that your transmission could be toast. Why on earth would they change the pump?? Anyway, that was a lie, because it is impossible without dropping the transmission. How is the fluid now? Burnt? You may have been better off not listening to your mechanic when he suggested service.

I am afraid you will need to replace it with the correct transmission - U151(13pin). That may be the real reason for selling the vehicle.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:47pm On Feb 20
the mechanic saw an avenue to make money by picking a car he can work on.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by chimdilawson: 11:52pm On Feb 20
Kashif:


Wow! What an ordeal! I empathise with you, but with all I have read above, that your transmission could be toast. Why on earth would they change the pump?? Anyway, that was a lie, because it is impossible without dropping the transmission. How is the fluid now? Burnt? You may have been better off not listening to your mechanic when he suggested service.

I am afraid you will need to replace it with the correct transmission - U151(13pin). That may be the real reason for selling the vehicle.

They did dropped the gear, I was present when the supposed specialist came to pick it up to go change oil pump/seal, same time the axle differential guy came to pick the axle differential for repairs as well.. I wanted he let the gear guy fix it right there at his shop, but the gear guy said he has to take it to his own shop as the tools he require for the fix and all are over there.. I outrightly told my mechanic what if this tranny comes back not healthy? He said the gear guy would pay should he damage it....

Now who go pay na? Nobody.. .I'm just in a mess right now.. Prior to the cleaning of the filter or so that after which the car could now move and not stop moving upon accelerating after 10mins drive (when car heats up), he tried to check the ATF gauge when I arrived from the test drive, it was like a frying/severe burning was going on in there, smoke kept evolving from the opening where the ATF fluid is poured into, but that stopped after the cleaning of the filter, he said it was blocked with much debris and prevented air from going in blah blah.... Currently, this transmission is just not performing well....

The 13pin, how much would it cost to have it on this car? Thanks boss!
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by chimdilawson: 12:19am On Feb 21
Kashif:


Wow! What an ordeal! I empathise with you, but with all I have read above, that your transmission could be toast. Why on earth would they change the pump?? Anyway, that was a lie, because it is impossible without dropping the transmission. How is the fluid now? Burnt? You may have been better off not listening to your mechanic when he suggested service.

I am afraid you will need to replace it with the correct transmission - U151(13pin). That may be the real reason for selling the vehicle.
At the point of purchase, we noticed oil was dropping under the car, one was close to extreme left, that he said was steering oil pump ish and might need replacement if it isn't as a result of hose leakage, the other leak was more like at the middle, like directly under the position of the gearbox, he identified that to be gearbox oil pump/seal, and said changing the seal alone may not be the best option as it might leak again, and such leaking could lead to loss of ATF and subsequent frying of the transmission... All these conclusions from him led to the dropping of the transmission and all the fixes done on it that has now made it a jerk.. I drove the car myself on our way home before the seizure that occurred with the front legs, the transmission was smooth, I had driven like 30mins into the journey before the pot hole ish...

When the axle differential was dropped, he opened it and said oil was supposed to be inside, that lots of car users think the ATF also plays the role of the oil in axle differential, that the axle differential was dried up and got burnt, that as there was no lubrication so metal to metal grinding went on there until the pot hole incident then crashed it as a result of the impact from the shock..

After all him conclusions and fixes them, gearbox performance don bad!!!

You advise I stick with the 13pin, how much would it cost? Plus, can the 10pin be fixed? Perhaps I could place it for sale so I can add money to get the 13pin..
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by cardoctor(m): 1:32am On Feb 21
@Kashif

You are still not done with this gearbox?
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 7:57am On Feb 21
chimdilawson:


They did dropped the gear, I was present when the supposed specialist came to pick it up to go change oil pump/seal, same time the axle differential guy came to pick the axle differential for repairs as well.. I wanted he let the gear guy fix it right there at his shop, but the gear guy said he has to take it to his own shop as the tools he require for the fix and all are over there.. I outrightly told my mechanic what if this tranny comes back not healthy? He said the gear guy would pay should he damage it....

Now who go pay na? Nobody.. .I'm just in a mess right now.. Prior to the cleaning of the filter or so that after which the car could now move and not stop moving upon accelerating after 10mins drive (when car heats up), he tried to check the ATF gauge when I arrived from the test drive, it was like a frying/severe burning was going on in there, smoke kept evolving from the opening where the ATF fluid is poured into, but that stopped after the cleaning of the filter, he said it was blocked with much debris and prevented air from going in blah blah.... Currently, this transmission is just not performing well....

The 13pin, how much would it cost to have it on this car? Thanks boss!

This is the third time "changed pump and transmission died" is being reported. I don't know how they do it for this to occur. The only thing that comes to my mind is dirty work environment. I once worked on a Toyota Sienna, and from the way my guys handled the transmission on installation, I told them that the transmission will not work. Even if it worked, it would be for a day or so. And it did come right back! Valve body was full of sand!

With the filter cleaning, am sure he meant ATF, and not air!

With the overheating and smoke coming out of the dip, that transmission cannot be used in its current state. The clutches and brakes must have burnt up.

Possible solutions:

Replace current transmission with original U151(13pin). The current price is prohibitive (430k)
Replace current transmission with a U140 (10pin). About 240k with the rear differential.
Repair the current transmission - valve body must be thoroughly cleaned, burnt cluthes/brakes/steels replaced.


Best of luck.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 7:58am On Feb 21
cardoctor:
@Kashif

You are still not done with this gearbox?

Since done boss. Just a checkup to see how my 'patient' is doing.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by kelechi17(m): 1:46pm On Feb 22
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Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Inception(m): 10:10am On Feb 23
Kashif:


This is the third time "changed pump and transmission died" is being reported. I don't know how they do it for this to occur. The only thing that comes to my mind is dirty work environment. I once worked on a Toyota Sienna, and from the way my guys handled the transmission on installation, I told them that the transmission will not work. Even if it worked, it would be for a day or so. And it did come right back! Valve body was full of sand!

With the filter cleaning, am sure he meant ATF, and not air!

With the overheating and smoke coming out of the dip, that transmission cannot be used in its current state. The clutches and brakes must have burnt up.

Possible solutions:

Replace current transmission with original U151(13pin). The current price is prohibitive (430k)
Replace current transmission with a U140 (10pin). About 240k with the rear differential.
Repair the current transmission - valve body must be thoroughly cleaned, burnt cluthes/brakes/steels replaced.


Best of luck.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 6:31pm On Feb 23
Inception:


Bro, pls how much is the U250E transmission?

Always in the neighbourhood of U151E.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Pablo212: 12:02am On Feb 24
Sir, help, I have replaced 3 gears in 2 weeks, 13 pin gears for 07 Toyota Avalon, I dont want to go into how I got into this mess but I'll appreciate if anybody can get me out of it fast.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Pablo212: 12:12am On Feb 24
I paid 270k for a U151E, they ripped it from one 2GF engine (07 Avalon) took it from Ladipo to Bode thomas, the mechanic guy that was recommended by the seller mounted it in 2 days, 3rd day he started it, after doing some wiring stuffs and changing the brainbox he ran the car for abt 15 mins till it gets hot and stopped engaging. cut long story short we returned it... now we got another one after adding 70k to the outstanding 270k because the seller couldn't bear the loss alone, we agreed on taking another gear, now its in the mech's workshop. I hope this one works because the seller assured the only problem with this one we are taking now is the pump, all we need to do is replace the bad pump, take it out of the first one and put it in this one that needs pump replacement.


I just hope it works out tomorrow, otherwise, am still in the market for a U151E tranny.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 8:19am On Feb 24
Pablo212:
I paid 270k for a U151E, they ripped it from one 2GF engine (07 Avalon) took it from Ladipo to Bode thomas, the mechanic guy that was recommended by the seller mounted it in 2 days, 3rd day he started it, after doing some wiring stuffs and changing the brainbox he ran the car for abt 15 mins till it gets hot and stopped engaging. cut long story short we returned it... now we got another one after adding 70k to the outstanding 270k because the seller couldn't bear the loss alone, we agreed on taking another gear, now its in the mech's workshop. I hope this one works because the seller assured the only problem with this one we are taking now is the pump, all we need to do is replace the bad pump, take it out of the first one and put it in this one that needs pump replacement.


I just hope it works out tomorrow, otherwise, am still in the market for a U151E tranny.

It is possible the seller is supplying you with recycled transmissions. The price of straight tokunbo and "tried-and-failed" transmission are not the same. how did he know the current one he gave you has pump seal problem? I have seen a seller in Ladipo open a transmission, replace clutches, wash some internals, and then sprinkle everything with clean ATF. It was coupled back, and waiting for a buyer. Who knows if he would even mate it to an engine! If you ask them for prices, the ones you know will give you two prices - fixed, and direct.

Why did the installer need to replace ECU and do 'some wiring stuffs'?

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Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Iamarabmoney: 9:19am On Mar 12
Help please I changed my shaft and cup two days ago . Only to drive my car and noticed it didn't charge gear properly when I accelerates it goes high and won't change later it would engage and disengage . I scanned and it shows p0746 I google it and it's talking about solenoid what do I do I live in Lagos please drop your no or call me 08039713675. I have never had issues with my carmy 2007 . This is frustrating I need urgent help . Thanks
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by kingreign: 10:04am On Mar 12
Iamarabmoney:
Help please I changed my shaft and cup two days ago . Only to drive my car and noticed it didn't charge gear properly when I accelerates it goes high and won't change later it would engage and disengage . I scanned and it shows p0746 I google it and it's talking about solenoid what do I do I live in Lagos please drop your no or call me 08039713675. I have never had issues with my carmy 2007 . This is frustrating I need urgent help . Thanks
V6 or i4 engine?
Did the mechanic allow the car cool completely before swapping the part?
Was the new inner cup cleaned of any dirt before installation?
Did ATF spill out during the process of work and was it replaced, if yes, what ATF was used?
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Iamarabmoney: 12:35pm On Mar 12
kingreign:

V6 or i4 engine?
Did the mechanic allow the car cool completely before swapping the part?
Was the new inner cup cleaned of any dirt before installation?
Did ATF spill out during the process of work and was it replaced, if yes, what ATF was used?

It's a v4 engine .It didn't cool cos wh I brought it they loosen the one in the car and replaced with the new one I bought a complete cup and shaft so it was not even opened . The too was cleaned with cloth. I use T4 oil
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by kingreign: 1:39pm On Mar 12
Iamarabmoney:


It's a v4 engine .It didn't cool cos wh I brought it they loosen the one in the car and replaced with the new one I bought a complete cup and shaft so it was not even opened . The too was cleaned with cloth. I use T4 oil
Mogbe!!!!

King Gazzuzz, Emir Kashif et al abeg come help oooo
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 5:56pm On Mar 12
Iamarabmoney:
Help please I changed my shaft and cup two days ago . Only to drive my car and noticed it didn't charge gear properly when I accelerates it goes high and won't change later it would engage and disengage . I scanned and it shows p0746 I google it and it's talking about solenoid what do I do I live in Lagos please drop your no or call me 08039713675. I have never had issues with my carmy 2007 . This is frustrating I need urgent help . Thanks

Let me have your valve body. I hope your clutches are still good.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by Kashif(m): 6:03pm On Mar 12
kingreign:

Mogbe!!!!

King Gazzuzz, Emir Kashif et al abeg come help oooo

Shaft replacements have been carried out after the vehicle was left over night, and still had problems. I really dont think the temperature is the culprit.

ZF for instance, even asks you to ensure the vehicle is at operating temperature before changing atf.
Re: Rebuilding My '13 Pin' (toyota U151E) Transmission by GAZZUZZ(m): 6:26pm On Mar 12
Kashif:


Shaft replacements have been carried out after the vehicle was left over night, and still had problems. I really dont think the temperature is the culprit.

ZF for instance, even asks you to ensure the vehicle is at operating temperature before changing atf.

what do you think the culprit is? Me I suspect 13pin winch

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