" and death and hell were casted into the Lake Of Fire" - Rev 20:14

Abi ? Here we see hell going to hell to be burned ! can someone throw light on this ? How can fire be burned with fire ?

What does it mean that hell go to hell

Jozzy4:
@ Anas09 , thanks for your input

But I pick another translation and see HADES , are you saying the King James Version is wrong for rendering hades as hell ?

And pls my second question is : what is Hade's ?

Jozzy4:
" and death and hell were casted into the Lake Of Fire" - Rev 20:14

Abi? Here we see hell going to hell to be burned !

can someone throw light on this ? How can fire be burned with fire ?

What does it mean that hell go to hell

Jozzy4:
@ Anas09, thanks for your input

But I pick another translation and see HADES, are you saying the King James Version is wrong for rendering hades as hell ?

Jozzy4:
And pls my second question is: what is Hade's?

Jozzy4:
Will hell be burned forever in fire ( rev 20:14)?

Jozzy4:
Will hell be burned forever in fire ( rev 20:14) ?

Jozzy4:
Will hell be burned forever in fire ( rev 20:14) ?

Jeromejnr:

There is a famous minister that went to hell and said that she discovered hell was a body. Body of whom? I don't know. Hell itself had legs, arms, a head e.t.c.


All those parts of hell were different chambers for different kinds of torments. The head I think was were the worst punishments were.

Now I am not saying that her testimony is one to base your belief upon. It could be true and at the same time not true.

But if it is true? will it not make sense that hell a body will be thrown in the lake of fire itself.

My point is, stop trying to kill yourself with trying to understand things that God has hidden (just to try and console yourself that there is no fire in hell or something)

Jozzy4:




" Beloved ones, do not belive every inspired expresion, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many False Prophet have gone forth into the world" - 1 John 4:1

Where is that nonsense @bold in the bible?

Jeromejnr:


We know all that Mr. man. That is not the point of my comment.

That was why I said her testimony should not be one you base your belief upon, it could be true or not true. How would you know?. Is it stated in the bible that people do not drive vehicles in heaven? how do we know if they do or not?

The point is stop killing yourself with things you can't understand with your puny brain right now. That is how the various man made doctrines most of you believe in are born.

Thank you!

Jeromejnr:


You know, the problem is that most of you guys always try to figure out spiritual things with your small brain.

There is a famous minister that went to hell and said that she discovered hell was a body. Body of whom? I don't know. Hell itself had legs, arms, a head e.t.c.

All those parts of hell were different chambers for different kinds of torments. The head I think was were the worst punishments were.

Now I am not saying that her testimony is one to base your belief upon. It could be true and at the same time not true.

But if it is true? will it not make sense that hell a body will be thrown in the lake of fire itself.

My point is, stop trying to kill yourself with trying to understand things that God has hidden (just to try and console yourself that there is no fire in hell or something) why don't you focus more on what Jesus told you to focus on.

Freksy:


Use your big brain and address the question accordingly.

Jeromejnr:


You know, the problem is that most of you guys always try to figure out spiritual things with your small brain.

There is a famous minister that went to hell and said that she discovered hell was a body. Body of whom? I don't know. Hell itself had legs, arms, a head e.t.c.

All those parts of hell were different chambers for different kinds of torments. The head I think was were the worst punishments were.

Now I am not saying that her testimony is one to base your belief upon. It could be true and at the same time not true.

But if it is true? will it not make sense that hell a body will be thrown in the lake of fire itself.

My point is, stop trying to kill yourself with trying to understand things that God has hidden (just to try and console yourself that there is no fire in hell or something) why don't you focus more on what Jesus told you to focus on.

Anas09:
Pick another translation, apart the King James you are reading right now, let's see.
In the Bible, there are a number of different words for the abode(s) of the deceased. In the Hebrew Old Testament we find terms like "new earth," "Sheol," "Abaddon" and various words for "the pit." In the Greek New Testament and in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), we find terms like "new earth," "Heaven," "Gehenna," "Hades," "Tartarus," "abyss" and "Lake of Fire."

Terms

All the following terms are spoken of in terms that indicate that the inhabitants of these realms are conscious and aware.

Sheol is usually translated by "Hades" in the Septuagint. It is a very general term referring commonly to the parts of the world that lie beneath the surface of the earth (e.g., Num. 16:30-33; Deut. 32:22; Isa. 7:11), including the grave (Isa. 14:11), and to the abode of both the righteous (e.g., Ps. 30:3; Eccl. 9:10) and the wicked (e.g., Ps. 9:17) after death. Other Old Testament texts equate Sheol with "death," as does Paul (1 Cor. 15:55 with Hos. 13:14).

Abaddon is a place of destruction in the Old Testament, and Revelation indicates that it is also the name of the angel of the abyss (Rev. 9:11). It is frequently associated with Sheol (Job 26:6; Prov. 15:11; 27:20), and sometimes with death (Job 28:22) or a tomb (Ps. 88:11).

"The pit" is usually a hole in the ground, i.e., a grave. However, in some instances it may refer to the collective abode of the dead (Isa. 14:15-19).

The Bible distinguishes heaven as a temporary place of blessing for disembodied believers (2 Cor. 5:6-.

After the general resurrection, believers will leave heaven and live perpetually on the New Earth (Isa. 65:17; 66:22; 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1).

Gehenna is a place of punishment, torment and destruction (e.g., Matt. 5:22; 10:28; 23:33; Mark 9:43), and it is characterized by fire (Matt. 5:22; 18:9; Mark 9:43; Jam. 3:6). It would seem that the spirits in Gehenna are not disembodied (e.g., Matt. 5:29,30; 10:28), which suggests that it is at least a place of eternal punishment after the general resurrection (John 5:28-29). But Gehenna also appears to exist and to be an active force in the present (Jam. 3:6), before the resurrection, suggesting that it is also a place of disembodied torment prior to the judgment.

The Lake of Fire is mentioned only in Revelation (Rev. 19:20; 20:10,14,15; 21:, where it is described as the final place of torment for the wicked. Gehenna is not mentioned in Revelation. Judging from the descriptions of Gehenna and the Lake of Fire, they seem to be one and the same.

Hades is used in the New Testament to refer to the abode of the wicked after death (Luke 10:15) and for the grave or tomb of the righteous (Acts 2:27-29). In Revelation, it is closely associated with "death" (Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13,14). It is mentioned in Luke 16 in the context of the story/parable of Lazarus and Dives. Scholars are divided in their opinions as to whether Jesus affirmed this view of Hades or simply borrowed it for the sake of an illustration. Potentially, it affirms that Hades may legitimately be used to refer to a place where unbelievers are tormented before the judgment.

In Revelation, the Abyss is mentioned mainly as the abode of demonic forces and curses (Rev. 9:1,2,11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:1; 20:3), and the same is true in Luke 8:31. But in Romans 10:7 Paul speaks of the Abyss simply as the abode of the dead, and specifically as where Christ went when he died. Since the Bible indicates that Jesus did not suffer torment after his death (Luke 23:46), the Abyss does not appear to be restricted to the wicked and to demons. The word "abyss" itself refers to a deep or bottomless pit, so that the image is closely associated with "the pit" and perhaps with "Abaddon." Probably, its meaning is as broad as that of "Sheol" and "Hades."

Tartarus is only used once, so we have very little information on it. It is where the fallen angels are temporarily imprisoned (2 Pet. 2:4), prior to the judgment. It is also associated with the idea of a pit. It may have been used exclusively as a description of a place of punishment, but we can't be sure based on its one appearance. It use in reference to the abode of the demons makes it a close match with "Abyss." Since the Abyss is probably not for the wicked exclusively, Tartarus may also be a place for the righteous.

Hell is an English catch-all term that different translations use in different ways. It is not directly related to any of the terms in the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures.

Outer darkness is a term used in Matthew to refer to a place of cursing, cut off from the blessings of God (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30). It is fairly equivalent to Gehenna, except that we have no references to it that mention fire. Tartarus is also described as being in darkness (2 Pet. 2:4). It is reserved for those who are not of God's elect (Matt. 22:14), that is, for unbelievers.
If u read the King James, all these types are termed as hell, but they don't all mean the same thing.

Freksy:


Use your big brain and address the question accordingly.

ChristianFreedo:


Why waste your time trying to answer him when he is not ready to learn or accept something new, even if what is presented is true?

He is a jw and only knows what the watchtower says. Tomorrow, if the watchtower says hell fire exist, he will believe without questions. He is a spiritual babes and spiritual things can only be considered spiritually.

I can remember when the watchtower was spending all of their time claiming the big bang theory is wrong. Today, they accept it. I have read how the watchtower has been spending years condemning organ transplant with what they called 'scriptural' reasons, today they leave it to the consciences of JWs. I also remember how the watchtower has been condemning higher education, that time also JWs will condemn JWs that send their children to schools.

The point I'm making is, JWs will always remain spiritual babes, waiting for the watchtower's adulterated milk. And whenever the doctrine shifts, they also shift like a boat tossed about in the water. They don't really know what the Scriptures says or how to apply them.

brocab:
If Hell doesn't frighten you, this will, if the Church ran the course the way Jesus wanted it to run, and if the Church read their bibles more often, all Christians would be equally the same as the other.
We have all been through the mill, preaching tithing is preaching another doctrine, between us Christians' one would think, we are all reading the same scriptures from the same bible?
But this isn't the case, many Christians don't read, most rely on their pastors, others pick and choose, this just shows the Spirit of the Lord, is not in every man, woman and child, who claim to be saved.
{Matthew 22:21} Jesus said: give to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar, and give to God, what belongs to God.
Caesar's inscription is on the coin, and God's inscription, is His Word.
The day the Lord called me into His kingdom, I just knew it was my time to be called by the Lord free of charge.
Being touched by the Lord is a incredible feeling, I felt my insides had instantly changed, after I had dedicated my life over to the Lord, I was overwhelmed by His Spirit, I couldn't believe how instant everything was, it took a split second to change me, my eye's had opened like it never opened before, and I could see a new inner man rise from the dead.
As soon as I entered the Church the battle began, Christians had giving me a new direction about Christ, at times I was completely confused, I felt myself walking away from God, and the Church will say, I am Cursed with a cursed if I didn't pay tithes and offerings.
It took some time before I would know the Lords voice, He answered my prayer, but He waited until I could learn to understand Him' and through Word, tithes is a problem among the brethren, it causes arguments and disputes, envy, strife, it reviles evil suspicions, tithes causes greed that causes God's people to backslide and walk away from the truth, it causes men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain. Then Jesus said: From such withdraw yourselves.
Don't you see, Preaching tithing isn't a smart move, its preaching another doctrine, that causes problems within the Church, there isn't enough information in the bible to prove we are meant to tithe. Ask yourself why didn't the disciples preached tithing, and why didn't Jesus preach tithing.
Your call...

ChristianFreedo:


Why waste your time trying to answer him when he is not ready to learn or accept something new, even if what is presented is true?

He is a jw and only knows what the watchtower says. Tomorrow, if the watchtower says hell fire exist, he will believe without questions. He is a spiritual babes and spiritual things can only be considered spiritually.

I can remember when the watchtower was spending all of their time claiming the big bang theory is wrong. Today, they accept it. I have read how the watchtower has been spending years condemning organ transplant with what they called 'scriptural' reasons, today they leave it to the consciences of JWs. I also remember how the watchtower has been condemning higher education, that time also JWs will condemn JWs that send their children to schools.

The point I'm making is, JWs will always remain spiritual babes, waiting for the watchtower's adulterated milk. And whenever the doctrine shifts, they also shift like a boat tossed about in the water. They don't really know what the Scriptures says or how to apply them.

brocab:
{Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28} In the last day's, God says I will pour out My Spirit on all people, your Sons and Daughters will prophesy, Your young men will see visions, and your old men will have dreams.
So really this depends on the believer-if they believe it or they don't?
Some religious people don't even believe heaven and Hell exist, the JW's don't believe.
This is one of the reasons they keep on mocking the word of God, because their hearts are far away from the truth..
Their are many testimonies with people experiencing Hell, some go to heaven. Others hear from God Himself.
And because these people have experience these close encounters-which directions they end up-It's another way of witnessing, as long as their experiences match up to the word-Who can judge?
Many books have been written about their own experiences, I do remember reading a book called Revelation of Hell-I myself believe these stories are a wake up call-Heaven and Hell is real. God's real and Jesus is real, as well as the Angels, Satan is real his demons are real. But the sad part about all this 'many religions who say they know Christ-"Don't" And their are many who will continual to go into the lake of fire.

johnw47:
" and death and hell were casted into the Lake Of Fire" - Rev 20:14

it's very simple, "hell" is clearly referring to the grave
death and the grave being cast into the Lake of Fire means there will be no more death or grave

death and grave cannot be literally cast into the LoF,

the next verse however is literal:
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

brocab:
Hi bro! Tag along with us, there's always plenty of room for one more-and no-one enjoys the JW's more then you in the past-Johnw74.