Pr0ton:


If people outside Israel today can relate positively why can't they? There will always be a Thomas too, even in Israel.

Then does it not further accentuate the fact that it actually happened, afterall they do not deny it as an event in their history?

How about the evidence of instantaneous transformation of lives experienced by those who repented and believed (just as Jesus said it will be)? It will be wrong to claim those were brainwashed! Why? I have no records of people being forced and harangued (tools for brainwashing) to believe the Gospel! Some heard it presented just once in all simplicity, believed and were transformed!

Scholar8200:

They were sent there by Pilate at the REQUEST (not command) of the elders and pharisees. He could have declined! They made an appeal and it was granted.

A master is a master n a slave is a slave.

menesheh:


Ohhh is that where you are coming from. Is silly argue.

Anything you ever ask for its evidence to ascertain its factuality is existing. No bro. Don't reason that way.

We ask for evidence of things to know whether is true or not.

Have you ever asked for the evidence of fairies? I guess no.

menesheh:


Over to you, show us evidence of historical jesus as represented in the new testament. Just evidence outside the bible.

Do you believe William Shakespeare ever existed?

Pr0ton:


What you have provided isn't worth evidence. How can you make contradicting edited self-attesting history-conflicting copies upon copies of anonymous manuscripts an imperative evidence for a delicate claim? It doesn't work that way. If the evidence was true there would be no argument today just as there is none about the year Nigeria gained independence. The 'evidence' provided has been debunked, proven to be false, invented and forged.

But we can always have delusioned individuals, which is reasonably common to those with religion.

This year is 2015 AD. Have you ever asked how we came about this date?

chuna1985:





Why do humans need extraordinary evidence to believe in Jesus n ressurection

Because folks have refused to wake up and smell the coffee. Read the evidence of Jesus resurrection below and come to your own conclusion.

The fact that Abraham Lincoln was born, became president, or was assassinated cannot be proven using scientific methods. To be scientific it must be repeatable (as in the testing of gravity). The proofs that Lincoln did exist and was a historical figure are:

1. The written evidence,
2. Eyewitness testimony,
3. Physical evidence that remains to this day at the Ford Theatre, birth records and newspaper articles regarding his election.

All these facts are acceptable in a court of law as proof to a judge and jury.

Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) made a case out of this when he stated that "The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential:

1. the empty tomb still exists,
2. His birth record is documented all the way back to Adam and Eve,
3. the four Gospels record His death;
4. the location, even the names of the political leaders who sentenced Him are historically recorded;
5. there were more than five hundred eyewitnesses who saw Jesus after the resurrection, recorded by the New Testament writers;
6. the very existence of the Christian faith, based on His death and resurrection;
7. the cultural and political evidence at the time, including the Roman calender separating all of time into Before Christ (B.C.) and in the year of our Lord (A.D.)."

Pr0ton:


That is not always applicable.. Since a book that says 'dragons exist' can't be held true merely by looking into it.

It depends whether the book is speaking metaphorically or literally.

OLAADEGBU:


Because folks have refused to wake up and smell the coffee. Read the evidence of Jesus resurrection below and come to your own conclusion.

The fact that Abraham Lincoln was born, became president, or was assassinated cannot be proven using scientific methods. To be scientific it must be repeatable (as in the testing of gravity). The proofs that Lincoln did exist and was a historical figure are:

1. The written evidence,
2. Eyewitness testimony,
3. Physical evidence that remains to this day at the Ford Theatre, birth records and newspaper articles regarding his election.

All these facts are acceptable in a court of law as proof to a judge and jury.

Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) made a case out of this when he stated that "The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential:

1. the empty tomb still exists,
2. His birth record is documented all the way back to Adam and Eve,
3. the four Gospels record His death;
4. the location, even the names of the political leaders who sentenced Him are historically recorded;
5. there were more than five hundred eyewitnesses who saw Jesus after the resurrection, recorded by the New Testament writers;
6. the very existence of the Christian faith, based on His death and resurrection;
7. the cultural and political evidence at the time, including the Roman calender separating all of time into Before Christ (B.C.) and in the year of our Lord (A.D.)."

Clearly Gary T. Andsell (D.D.) is a clown, where is this extraordinary evidence of the resurrection of Jesus? The Romans recorded everything but not a word about an itinerant Jewish preacher who was crucified and resurrected.

How kindly do you think the Romans would take to an itinerant preacher who had been sentenced to death for rabble rousing, crucified and buried and then had the chutzpah not only to get up again, but also to parade himself around town for, well.....what was it again.....40 days? I think we all know all hell would have been let loose.

OLAADEGBU:


Because folks have refused to wake up and smell the coffee. Read the evidence of Jesus resurrection below and come to your own conclusion.

The fact that Abraham Lincoln was born, became president, or was assassinated cannot be proven using scientific methods. To be scientific it must be repeatable (as in the testing of gravity). The proofs that Lincoln did exist and was a historical figure are:

1. The written evidence,
2. Eyewitness testimony,
3. Physical evidence that remains to this day at the Ford Theatre, birth records and newspaper articles regarding his election.

All these facts are acceptable in a court of law as proof to a judge and jury.

Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) made a case out of this when he stated that "The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential:

1. the empty tomb still exists,
2. His birth record is documented all the way back to Adam and Eve,
3. the four Gospels record His death;
4. the location, even the names of the political leaders who sentenced Him are historically recorded;
5. there were more than five hundred eyewitnesses who saw Jesus after the resurrection, recorded by the New Testament writers;
6. the very existence of the Christian faith, based on His death and resurrection;
7. the cultural and political evidence at the time, including the Roman calender separating all of time into Before Christ (B.C.) and in the year of our Lord (A.D.)."

""" His birth record is documented all the way back to
Adam and Eve""" - meaning

Sarassin:


Clearly Gary T. Andsell (D.D.) is a clown, where is this extraordinary evidence of the resurrection of Jesus? The Romans recorded everything but not a word about an itinerant Jewish preacher who was crucified and resurrected.

How kindly do you think the Romans would take to an itinerant preacher who had been sentenced to death for rabble rousing, crucified and buried and then had the chutzpah not only to get up again, but also to parade himself around town for, well.....what was it again.....40 days? I think we all know all hell would have been let loose.

"Hell" Hades was surely let loose on that day:

"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many" (Matthew 27:53).

chuna1985:




""" His birth record is documented all the way back to
Adam and Eve""" - meaning

His birth record is documented in Luke 3:23-38; Matthew 1:1-17

OLAADEGBU:

His birth record is documented in Luke 3:23-38; Matthew 1:1-17

lmao.
Should d bible be the confirmation of the bible
lmao.

OLAADEGBU:


"Hell" Hades was surely let loose on that day:

"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many" (Matthew 27:53).

Silly me, of course quite a few resurrections took place that day, and in light of what you just pointed out these saints, who presumably had been dead for quite a while performed a feat that trumped that of Jesus. Pity the Romans neglected to record this monumental feat of divine re-animation. Please enlighten me, did the saints who resurrected go into town, have a jug or two of wine, do a jig, have fine dining with their families and live happily ever after....or did they experience a second death.

Give me ONE instance of a historically contemporary account of the resurrection of Jesus.

chuna1985:


lmao.

Should d bible be the confirmation of the bible

lmao.

Should your birth certificate be the confirmation of your birth?

Sarassin:


Silly me, of course quite a few resurrections took place that day, and in light of what you just pointed out these saints, who presumably had been dead for quite a while performed a feat that trumped that of Jesus. Pity the Romans neglected to record this monumental feat of divine re-animation. Please enlighten me, did the saints who resurrected go into town, have a jug or two of wine, do a jig, have fine dining with their families and live happily ever after....or did they experience a second death.

Give me ONE instance of a historically contemporary account of the resurrection of Jesus.

This thread is about the biblical evidence of Jesus' resurrection. I believe I have given you enough circumstantial evidence to satiate your skeptic mind.

OLAADEGBU:


Should your birth certificate be the confirmation of your birth?

A birth certificate is a document issued by the federal govt n hospitals as an evidence of birth. My parents can equally keep the date of ma birth.

bible is separate, it's prophesies confirms itself inside the bible...But It never happens outside.

chuna1985:




A birth certificate is a document issued by the federal govt n hospitals as an evidence of birth. My parents can equally keep the date of ma birth.

bible is separate, it's prophesies confirms itself inside the bible...But It never happens outside.

What year is it now? It's been over 2,000 years "since Christ" (AD). That should give you a clue outside the Bible if His birth record would not suffice.

OLAADEGBU:


This thread is about the biblical evidence of Jesus' resurrection. I believe I have given you enough circumstantial evidence to satiate your skeptic mind.

Point is there isn't any, circumstantial or otherwise. You are confusing biblical accounts with "evidence", If the Romans or any other disinterested party had recorded these events (You only needed ONE Roman to have recorded this momentous event independently) then you would not be "trawling" around for evidence to substantiate the resurrection, it would be self-evident, you wouldn't have to make spurious connections with the death of Abraham Lincoln (who has direct living descendants) to that of Jesus who's very existence is the subject of much debate.

OLAADEGBU:


What year is it now? It's been over 2,000 years "since Christ" (AD). That should give you a clue outside the Bible if His birth record would not suffice.

let's see d birth evidence of Jesus Christ den!!!

chuna1985:



let's see d birth evidence of Jesus Christ den!!!

Read His birth record.

OLAADEGBU:

Read His birth record.

where?

OLAADEGBU:

Read His birth record.

where is d record.

OLAADEGBU:


Does the bible provide extraordinary evidence of Jesus' resurrection?

https://carm.org/does-bible-provide-extraordinary-evidence-jesus-resurrection

Suggested answer:

If you read the paper on extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, then you read the concluding points about the validity and weaknesses of the position and addressing four major points:

1. Will their presuppositions allow unbiased examination of the evidence?
2. What would qualify extraordinary evidence?
3. What criteria is used to determine what is extraordinary evidence?
4. Is the criteria for extraordinary evidence reasonable?

Nevertheless, does the Bible actually provide extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims? I believe so. But, instead of providing a list of various claims and evidences, I want to focus on the most important one in the Bible: Christ's resurrection.

Basically, does the extraordinary claim that Jesus rose from the dead have any extraordinary evidence to back it up? But, since this is a subject of history, we cannot apply the methods of experimentation and repetition to see if it happened. We don't have any film. All we have is the evidence presented in the Bible, a document of history. Like the extraordinary Alexander the Great who conquered the known world by the age of 33, the resurrection of Jesus is also a historic event.

Following is a chart that categorizes some Biblical facts into two categories. I admit this is a bit subjective, but I think that my analysis is sound. Afterwards, I will briefly comment on each one.

To be continued...

OLAADEGBU:


Suggested answer:



To be continued...

Extraordinary claim: Jesus physically rose from the dead

Extraordinary evidence:

1. Textual reliability of the ancient document
2. Retention of crucifixion wounds post event
3. Post-death appearances to many people
4. Prophetic fulfilment

Not so extraordinary evidence:

5. Accounts written by eyewitnesses
6. No counter historic information
7. Jesus' body is gone from the tomb
8. Changed lives

To be continued...

OLAADEGBU:


Extraordinary claim: Jesus physically rose from the dead

Extraordinary evidence:

1. Textual reliability of the ancient document
2. Retention of crucifixion wounds post event
3. Post-death appearances to many people
4. Prophetic fulfilment

Not so extraordinary evidence:

5. Accounts written by eyewitnesses
6. No counter historic information
7. Jesus' body is gone from the tomb
8. Changed lives

To be continued...

1. Textual reliability of the ancient document:

The New Testament documents are 99.5% textually pure. This is indeed an extraordinary fact since all other ancient documents do not even approach this level of accuracy.

2. Retention of crucifixion wounds post event:

This would indeed be an extraordinary evidence of a resurrection to see the actual holes in Jesus' hands and side after He had died on the cross.

"Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing" (John 20:27).

3. Post-death appearances to many people:

It is indeed extraordinary to have someone who has died in public at an execution to appear to many people afterwards.

"And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, "Peace be with you" (John 20:26).

4. Prophetic fulfillment:

Fulfilling prophecies made hundreds of years earlier about Jesus' birth, death, crucifixion, and resurrection is indeed extraordinary.

5. Accounts written by eyewitnesses:

It is perfectly ordinary to have people write about what they saw. History is full of such accounts.

6. No counter historic information.

There is no contradictory historical information concerning Jesus' resurrection. This doesn't prove anything, but when the Gospels were written, people contemporary to the described events (Jews, Romans, etc.,) could have easily written something refuting or correcting the resurrection account. No such writings exist. This isn't extraordinary, but it is important.

7. Jesus' body is gone from the tomb:

It is not extraordinary for a body to disappear from a tomb if we realize that it could have been stolen.

We can see that there is sufficient reasons to believe that the Bible does indeed provide extraordinary evidence for an extraordinary claim, namely, the resurrection of Jesus.

chuna1985:


where is d record.

Have you now read the record?

OLAADEGBU:


Have you now read the record?

Can I see d record

chuna1985:



Can I see d record

Yes. Get a copy of the Bible and read the verses I suggested above.

OLAADEGBU:


Yes. Get a copy of the Bible and read the verses I suggested above.

How can d bible be the only confirmation of the bible

chuna1985:








How can d bible be the only confirmation of the bible

If you can't read the Bible then look at today's date. It tells you how long time has been since our Lord Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:


If you can't read the Bible then look at today's date. It tells you how long time has been since our Lord Jesus Christ.

For the past 100 years, u people have been saying Jesus died 2000 years ago

chuna1985:



For the past 100 years, u people have been saying Jesus died 2000 years ago

At least you know that Jesus died and rose again approximately 2,000 years ago, no?

OLAADEGBU:


At least you know that Jesus died and rose again approximately 2,000 years ago, no?

Did I say Jesus died n rose again