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Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 4:38am On Sep 09, 2016 |
Oyibo oji means black whiteman not black foreigners. For example Mike Tyson, Tu pac and etc are Oyibo Oji to us because to us, they are no different from whitemen save that they are black. Nothing like oyibo oji meaning black foreigners or oyibo ocha meaning white foreigners. Am I Oyibo oji to you then? Does it even make sense? |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by YourNemesis: 4:42am On Sep 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: You said clearly youself here that igbo is NOT NASAL bigfrancis21: NOW you are saying Igbo is nasalized, and others are well nasalised. I showed you the various nasalized alphabets in Igbo... but then you are tilting the line of argument to just NASAL VOWELS. Of which Yoruba has just 1... nasal N. All those words you cited all end in that one nasal N. Nasal consonants in standard Igbo alone are more than 5. A very good number of Igbo words contain any combination of these nasal consonants, as demonstrated by the short sentence I asked you to translate earlier. Of which Yoruba has ZER0. If you still don't know the more nasal language ... you are only denying. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 4:58am On Sep 09, 2016 |
This guy. Quit trying to punch my point already, you have weak punch lines. Is nasalization the bone of contention on this thread or the derivation of 'oyibo'? If I am correct, Yoruba language has 'm', 'n' and nasal 'n' vowel, not 1 nasal feature as you've claimed. By the way, where is the translation that I requested? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 5:04am On Sep 09, 2016 |
lawani: LOL. A foreigner trying to tell Igbos how to speak their language or interpret their language. Lol. Oyibo ojii in that context meant 'black westerners' or 'blacks from a westernized land'. Ajayi and Taylor were both dark-skinned, thus the 'ojii'. Maybe had they been light-skinned, they would have been called just 'oyibo' only. 3 Likes
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Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 6:52am On Sep 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Who were the people called Oyibo oji among Igbos? They are non Igbo black missionaries and District officers. They spoke Victorian English and dressed in suits and hats. They were white men save the color of their skin. To me, an American is Oyibo, given the accent and mannerism. So that is it. Intellectual discourse should be for self development and once something has been established firmly you have no reason to be opposing it. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 7:36am On Sep 09, 2016 |
lawani: From my understanding, the Onitsha people referred mostly to the Sierra Leonean missionaries, who were of Igbo ancestry and spoke Isuama Igbo but dressed and behaved like the whites, and Ajayi Crowther as 'oyibo ojii', 'oyibo' in the sense that they were westernized or behaved like the Europeans and 'Ojii' in the sense that they were blacks, natives or 'Igbos'. These Igbo Sierra Leoneans assisted Ajayi Crowther, who only spent a few weeks in Onitsha, in communications between him and the Onitsha people and assisted in Christian Igbo instruction to the Onitsha people. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 8:56am On Sep 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: That is more or less what I said. Only difference is that you say some missionaries of Igbo ancestry are among them. If they were, then the Igbo they speak would be different from the ones the natives understood. If they were real Igbos, they wont be called oyibo oji by the natives. Just like Yorubas dont call their returnees Oyibo, so far they still speak Yoruba but someone like Colin Powell or Eddy Murphy is Oyibo Oji to us or black white man. That is the logic. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Igboid: 12:17pm On Sep 09, 2016 |
How can a Yoruba man say that Igbo language is nasalized? This is the joke of the century. The one reason why I hate Yoruba language is that it's over nasalized. Sometimes I wonder what's wrong with a Yoruba mind, it accuses people of everything it is many times guilty of. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by PreciousBro: 1:45pm On Sep 09, 2016 |
Igboid: My brother,this is my major grouse with them. The inferiority complex is thick and unbearable. Thank God social media is living up to its essence in exposure. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Adeboyefa(f): 9:37pm On Sep 09, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: Oyibo =Igbo. Òyìnbó =Yoruba. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by macof(m): 4:05pm On Sep 10, 2016 |
lawani: you are right, yorubas were very well connected with the rest of the world Brazilians and Catholics are Aguda. as Amaro are Spanish speaking people funny how "Amaro" actually means liqueur in Spanish...that shows that the Yoruba and Spain traded a lot on liqueur 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 5:31pm On Sep 10, 2016 |
macof: But what are Germans? Germans were the most prominent contemporaries of the British in West Africa. Why Aguda o je labe Geesi and not Amaro o je labe Geesi? And the Spanish really were not here, they were in the Americas more. Their era was before the English and the Germans. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AjaanaOka(m): 6:00pm On Sep 10, 2016 |
lawani: Were Germans ever a prominent feature in Yorubaland in the past? Didn't think so. Why then would there be a word for them? It was Yoruba returnees who had been slaves in Cuba (a Spanish-speaking country) that had the 'Amaro' tag, not necessarily the Spaniards. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 7:17pm On Sep 10, 2016 |
AjaanaOka: The first Europeans here were the Portuguese then our people were going to Europe and the Americas, so they knew the Spanish but later on by the 17th, 18th century, the Germans, English, French and etc took over. Togo, Cameroon and etc were formerly held by Germans. Togo and Ghana went from the hands of the Oyo to essentially the Germans who were later driven out by the British as an aftermath of the two great wars. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by OdenigboAroli(m): 10:45am On Sep 11, 2016 |
lawani: "then our people were going to Europe and America's",when you write this you meant on slave ships,right ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 12:05pm On Sep 11, 2016 |
[quote author=OdenigboAroli post=49260734][/quote] The Malians were contempories of the Oyo ie the Yoruba who prided themselves as pace setters not copy cats as is clear in the saying 'Ajisebi Oyo laari Oyo ise bi Baba eni kankan'. I am Ijesa, the Ijesa would not submit to Oyo overlordship, so they taxed Oyo merchants passing their territory to go towards the Atlantic to trade with Europeans which led to Oyo establishing a military post in Ede Osun state against the Ijesa. I am a Yoruba from Ijesa. The Oyo knew the Malians as Imale or Male. Yoruba cities were bigger than Malian cities. Infact the Eredo of the Ijebu was the largest in the world that time. Malians were contemporaries of the Moors, both had Islamic universities as did Kanem Bornu on a lesser scale. Nothing they were doing was strange to the Yoruba back then. They infact saw the Yoruba as superior in mystics. So Malians and Moors were contemporaries and the Yoruba had larger cities than the Malians. The Moors ruled Southern Europe ie Spain and Portugal after being driven back by Charles of the Hammer in France. Spain as a result became number one in Europe looking down on Germans, English and etc as uncivilized, the English saw the Spanish as not only like senior brother but father! Later the Moors were driven out of Spain and Portugal by Catholics. But the Moors and other Muslims still controlled the route to India and the legendary Africa of 'Prester John'. That led to the Spanish and Portuguese risking southward voyages into uncharted West African waters of which stories of boiling seas was told by the Moors. The Portuguese and Spanish appeared on the Yoruba coast but to meet people better organised or as organised as themselves. They were not better than the Yoruba back then and they dealt with us as equals. They learnt our language and we learnt theirs. We went to Europe. South America and settled, they came here too. South America is a Yoruba enclave because of that. There are more Yorubas there than in West Africa. We had European slaves in West Africa too and titled Yoruba in South America but you dont use Europeans for slave labor in West Africa. Why? Because of tropical diseases. Go and sulk somewhere else. My ancestors were never sitting ducks being raped and sold into slavery by foreigners. Maybe yours not mine. Colonisation of Yoruba land started like 200 years after that of India. When the Yoruba say ilu to wa lehin Ofa o ju Oje lo it means the cities after Ofa is more than the Oje that you know. In the past, the most Northerly Yoruba big city was Ofa but after it is Oje a smaller Yoruba city known to all Yorubas as well but Yoruba travellers must have started the saying that after you leave Oje are still hundreds of cities that you will meet that are outside the Yoruba world. From Oje to Gwari on the Northeast to Bariba in the North west, north to Hausa to Kanem Bornu to Mali to Moor to Europe and etc. So the cities you will meet pass Oje, so be prepared! That is the meaning of the adage. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 4:42pm On Sep 11, 2016 |
Lmao. Each time Lawani says the most absurd things made up by him. OdenigboAroli asked you a simple question you should have answered but instead you went on to write some total trash never heard of in Yoruba history! He's talking of the Moors of Morocco of the 6th century instead. I see these attempts by some Yorubas to rewrite past history and glorify it beyond necessary. Well, academic evidence doesn't lie. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Abagworo(m): 8:48pm On Sep 11, 2016 |
YourNemesis: Igbo Izugbe or central Igbo language carefully eliminated most nasal aspects of Igbo speech. Original Igbo dialects are very highly nasal like in Edo or Ika but central Igbo removed them in order to make writing Igbo easier. Northern dialects in parts of Anambra and Enugu are however less nasal than dialects spoken in Imo State or Delta State. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Abagworo(m): 8:52pm On Sep 11, 2016 |
lawani: Be careful what you write son. Many of us are versed in African history and here is not for fairytale or figments of your imagination. Togo ko Ghana ni. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by MisterThee: 10:23pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
Haha i see you lot dragging over the words albasa & wahala. Basl clearly from arabic but wahala is debatable. However wahala is more of Hausa origin by million miles than yoruba. just look at the syllables & structure of the word. Plus it has absolute clear meanings in Hausa (suffering/difficult) unlike how yorubas throw the word in every situation/context which shows it lacks origin in yoruba tongue. Btw im also Hausa 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 5:03am On Jan 18, 2017 |
Abagworo: YOUNG MAN, YOU ARE NOT VERSED IN HISTORY, YOU ARE INFACT UNEDUCATED IN THAT SECTOR! AS A MATTER OF FACT YORUBAS HAD BEEN DEALING WITH EUROPEANS FOR ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE KNOWING THERE ARE PEOPLE CALLED IGBOS, EFIK, CALABAR ETC. AS AT EARLY 19TH CENTURY, THE WHOLE OF THE WEST AFRICAN COAST COMPRISING GHANA, TOGO, BENIN REPUBLIC AND YORUBA NIGERIA WERE ONE FEDERATION WITH HEADQUARTERS IN OYO ILE. MOST OF YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT AND UNEDUCATED. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Probz(m): 5:08am On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: And I guess the 15th-century contact the oyibos/Portuguese had with the Niger Deltans (Ijo and Ishekiri), well preceding the 1800s, counts for sweet fu*k all, abi? And I'm not being funny but is there any need for the caps? Why are you shouting down the poor dude at 4am? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 5:18am On Jan 18, 2017 |
Probz: WHEN YOU SAY ITSEKIRI OR BENIN, WE ARE STILL SAYING THESAME THING AS YORUBA. THERE ARE IJAWS ON THE YORUBA SIDE AS INDIGENES BUT NO IJAW SOVEREIGNTY ON THIS SIDE BEFORE COLONISATION. IJAW SOVEREIGNTY OCCURRED ONLY IN THE EASTERN SIDE AND IT BECAME PROMINENT AFTER THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION BECAUSE THEY CONTROLLED A PORTION OF THE PALM OIL TRADE. THEY INFACT CONTROLLED PALM OIL SALES TO EUROPEANS. THE KINGDOM OF IWERE (WARRI) IS PART OF THE YORUBA I SPOKE ABOUT AND THAT KINGDOM CONTAINED URHOBO, IJAW AND ETC AS WELL. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AmuDimpka: 5:43am On Jan 18, 2017 |
funmijoyb: Must you put Igbo in everything apart from oyibo others are not Igbo words Pls No igboan claims these Grow up Ewu 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Probz(m): 6:11am On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: I can't take seriously a nigga who chooses to type exclusively in caps. Remove am, abeg. It doesn't make you sound any more knowledgeable or enlightened but quite the opposite. Where the hell did I mention Bini? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 6:36am On Jan 18, 2017 |
Probz: WHEN A LIE IS ALMOST BECOMING A TRUTH (LIKE RELIGION) BECAUSE OF ENDLESS REPETITION, THEN TO QUASH IT, YOU NEED A LEVEL OF AGGRESSION, EVEN IF ONLY CAPS LOCK!. I MENTION BENIN BECAUSE ITSEKIRI AND BENIN ARE THESAME. WE OWE IT A DUTY TO LEAVE A PROPER LEGACY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION AND AS THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN RATHER THAN BEING UPHELD! PROPER RENDITION OF HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT IS AN ACADEMIC DUTY, A SACRED ONE. |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Probz(m): 6:40am On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: I guess the majority of us have been labouring under an illusion for all our lives and that Itsekiri na Edo be the same ethnic group. Wow. Any other adulterated "facts" (aka outright lies) you wan tell us this night? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani: 9:03am On Jan 18, 2017 |
Probz: IF YOU ARE SPREADING STORIES THAT BENIN IS NOT YORUBA, THEN YOU ARE SPREADING ILLUSIONS BECAUSE OLD BENIN WAS A CITY IN WHICH THE OLUKUNMI LANGUAGE WAS SPOKEN BUT WHICH HAD EDO SPEAKERS IN THE SUBURB. CITIES THAT LOOK LIKE OLD BENIN TODAY WOULD BE OWO, WARRI, IGBOKODA AND ETC BUT WHEN BENIN COLLAPSED, EDOS OVERWHELMED THE PLACE FROM THE SUBURBS AND TOOK OVER THE CITY. THAT IS THE STORY. IFE IBINU WAS A YORUBA CITY IN EVERYTHING. WE HAVE TO BE REPEATING THIS BEFORE LIES BECOME TRUTH. HOWEVER IN THE BENIN EMPIRE WERE IGBOS, IJAW, URHOBO, EDO, ESAN AND ETC BUT NATIONAL CULTURE AND LANGUAGE WAS YORUBA, GIVEN A FEW MORE YEARS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ONLY YORUBA. PRESENT YORUBA WERE NOT SPEAKING YORUBA IN THE PAST BUT AKOKO STILL SPOKEN IN NORTHERN EDO, KOGI AND KWARA. THE IJEBU STILL GREET THEMSELVES EWESO WHICH IS AKOKO. YORUBA WERE ALL AKOKO IN THE PAST. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 6:01pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: How can you say Yorubas had no idea about Igbos when Yoruba folklore says that Igbos were the original settlers in Ife before they were conquered and pushed further east?
A Reporter, who seemed not clear with that statement asked: “Kabiyesi, is it Ugbo or the Ibos?” to which the Ooni replied, “It is the Ibos; here the real Ibos have a compound in Ife, the Oluyeri compound in Iremo, where the Igbo language is spoken. They are from Ife and you can trace many of them from Ife to Benin to Ibo land. Some of them will say they are from the Middle East but the people from the Middle East, left from Ife”.http://unicpress.com/2016/12/11/yoruba-history-ooni-ife-olugbo-ugbo-disagree/ Igbos and Yorubas have been dealing since time immemorial! 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by OlaoChi: 12:12pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:smh. Ugbo(Igbo in standard yoruba dialect) of Ilaje not Igbo of Eastern Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by cooljude(m): 3:34pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: It's not the south eastern Igbo. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by bigfrancis21: 9:50pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
cooljude: Unknown to many, not all the Igbo aborigines of Ife followed Prince Chima, later Eze Chima out to their Anioma/Benin axis/ was sold into slavery to make up today’s Lucumi of the Americas/ assimilated into the culture of the Yorubas.https://www.nairaland.com/1523702/oluyares-igbo-aborigines-ife-still |
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