dolphinheart:

ill show you evidence
look at my post on 4:28pm On Dec 13 then look how it was heavily edited with deliberate removal of scriptures when he quoted that post on 1:33am On Dec 14

the quote below is my post, the parts in red are the parts that was removed so that he could respond


BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW LEVEL YOU AND YOUR BROTHER HAD RESORT TO, YOU HAD TO ALTER MY POST, EDITING OUT A LARGE PART OF IT,(ALL THOSE WRITTEN IN RED)EXPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN SCRIPTURES THAT EXPOSES YOU SO THAT YOU REPLY.

brocab:
I asked you a question? So I expect you to answer it. What is the meaning to Yahweh "YHWH" in your own words tell us who is Yahweh.

Just a little history here, because of God's name being so holy that the fear of mispronouncing it, Israel preferred to use the substituted the word[color=#000099] "odonay" {Lord} for YHWH when reading from the Torah..

Using "Yahweh as Jehovah" any church that uses Jehovah is misinformed and using this name for God is unbiblical..

Emusan:


You asked questions and I said I'm ready to answer them but before I do that can you just say Yes or No to my simple question?

Very simple because the question I asked you will be used to buttress my answer to yours!

brocab:
Then you must know {1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up in glory..
You also must know {Isaiah 9:6} For a child is born, a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulders, His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The God Mighty, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
And of course last of all, surely you had missed this one-{Revelations 1:7-8} Behold He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pieced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen..
I Am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, say's the Lord, who is and who was, and who is to come. Almighty...
Lets not forget no-one has seen God at anytime, so who is this stranger with great power coming in the clouds?

brocab:
Then you must know {1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up in glory..
You also must know {Isaiah 9:6} For a child is born, a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulders, His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The God Mighty, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
And of course last of all, surely you had missed this one-{Revelations 1:7-8} Behold He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pieced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen..
I Am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, say's the Lord, who is and who was, and who is to come. Almighty...
Lets not forget no-one has seen God at anytime, so who is this stranger with great power coming in the clouds?

johnw74:


lie lie dolphinheart, crying again-still

of course I remove much of your confusion from your post
and reply to the things I want to talk about

what a lie lie false accuser
but when you lie you are talking naturally

johnw74:


I'm sure bro like me could fill posts of all your lies if we wanted to waste the time looking back

one instance you say, OK off the top of my head recently you posted that it's not Jesus talking in certain revelation
verses, I showed you that it indeed was Jesus talking, and of course you could not admit your wrong.

there's one instance lie lie dolphinheart

johnw74:


lie lie dolphinheart

as you can see all I wanted to talk about was:
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1. your accusing brocab of being a false teacher
2. and your saying bro is full of lies
3. and you saying that you believe there is only one true God
4. Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
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They are the things that you said which I wanted to address and did address

but you lie lie dolphinheart are just once again lying and falsely accusing because it's what you do best.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

and lie lie dolphinheart, I already explained that to you, but you love to lie and falsely accuse over and over again,
it's what you know best, taking after your god.

And you sometimes say: show me where I lie
ha ha how pathetic, you hardly ever stop lying

and antichrist dolphinheart you deny the Lord Jesus Christ often
denying that He is God
denying that he is Yahweh-almighty God who appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
you deny very much of God's word that expose your satanic doctrines

You do however take after your god closely:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Barristter07:
Brocab



God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes, and he can cause to happen whatever is required with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.



vain traditions of men, then why did faithful men of old used the name in their writings ?





Dont be dogmatic friend, who told you Yahweh is the real hebrew pronounciation ?

Explaining why he used “Jehovah” instead of “Yahweh” in his 1911 work Studies in the Psalms, respected Bible scholar Joseph Bryant Rotherham said that he wanted to employ a “form of the name more familiar (while perfectly acceptable) to the general Bible-reading public.” In 1930 scholar A. F. Kirkpatrick made a similar point regarding the use of the form “Jehovah.” He said: “Modern grammarians argue that it ought to be read Yahveh or Yahaveh; but JEHOVAH seems firmly rooted in the English language, and the really important point is not the exact pronunciation, but the recognition that it is a Proper Name, not merely an appellative title like ‘Lord.’”


I can't count how many religious songs that proudly use the name Jehovah today, EVEN IN CHURCH HYMNS and so called gospel songs . the name is been used freely just to let you know how firmly rooted it is in the english language . forms like Jehovah - Jireh are used from time to time in daily religious supplications , so what exactly are u saying ?

I think you forget that your cherished KJV use the name Jehovah too, its a failed translation ?

achorladey:
Oga answer the question. When terms and conditions are given you either accept or reject. The ball is in your court. You decide!!!! Remember it is not a compulsory question. Left to me that question is self explanatory enough. If you can discern enough you should still be able to seek answer to the question you asked me in my question. Discern, reason,think deep.

achorladey: This goes to the invited and uninvited guest, to the deep thinkers and to those who have discerning minds.
Is there any difference between the ''my God'' found in John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
And
''my God'' found in John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
A. Yes. B. No. C. Uncertain. D. Deny. Please pick the options only the question is self explanatory enough.
From Jesus' statement in John 20:17, is Jesus the Almighty God.
A. Yes B. No. C. Uncertain D. Deny

dolphinheart:


I did not accuse you wrongly , and I'll prove it by pointing to questions I've asked you and you did not answer

(1.) 12:24am On Dec 01
[b]A. "the scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is?"

B. "Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?"
C. "what the difference between begotten son and son?"
D. "brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?"

(2) 3:41pm On Nov 26
A. "if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?"


(3)  11:47am On Nov 13
A. "Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
explain the above verse!"
B."De 10:17 For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, and awe-inspiring, who treats none with partiality and does not accept a bribe.
Is Jehovah a God of false God's? answer : NO!, So who are the gods that Jehovah is a God of?"

(4) : 1:20pm On Nov 10
A.. "Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?"
B "so which heaven was that verse talking about?"
C "who did that verse identify as our God?"
D "who did Jesus identify as the only true God?"

pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
E. "did Jesus say he and the father are one God? No"
F. "Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes"
G. "does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No"
H. "did Jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes"
I. "Does this mean they become God? no?"
J. "does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No"


K." you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important."

L."pls snow where I said " the devil is God"

M. "I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?"[/b]

The evidence of questions I asked you and you refused to answer, plus the date and time they where asked on this thread are provided above. Note that they are listed and numbered. pls post where you answered each one and the answer you gave so that all can see if you answered or tried to divert from answering.

Emusan:
You know the trap you would've gotten yourself into had it been you answer that's why you keep dodging my simple question.



Now let me show you the fallacy you're trying so had to cover up by failing to provide simple Yes/No answer to my question.

Here you said

As we can see how you're trying harder to prove that there's a difference between the wordy of John and Jesus Christ regard the usage of my God whereas from the Greek lexicon it was the word used by both John and Jesus Christ.
17 Jesus <Iesous> saith <lego> unto her <autos>, Touch <haptomai> me <mou> not <me>; for <gar> I am <anabaino> not yet <oupo> ascended <anabaino> to <pros> my <mou> Father <pater>: but <de> go <poreuomai> to <pros> my <mou> brethren <adelphos>, and <kai> say <epo> unto them <autos>, I ascend <anabaino> unto <pros> my <mou> Father <pater>, and <kai> your <humon> Father <pater>; and <kai> to my <mou> God <theos>, and <kai> your <humon> God <theos>.

28 And <kai> Thomas <Thomas> answered <apokrinomai> and <kai> said <epo> unto him <autos>, My <mou> Lord <kurios> and <kai> my <mou> God <theos>.

Now that you can see it, who did Thomas address as my LORD and my God; Jesus or Jehovah

If both Jesus and Jehovah are addressed as my God, then how many God are there? OR Jehovah is a God like Jesus too?

Barristter07:
Solite3



the post you quote discuss the statement Yahweh means Lord NOT Yahweh is Lord, Yahweh is Lord is different from Yahweh Means Lord , so learn to comprehend well next time sir

achorladey:

How do you expect me to answer the question? Aren't you the person that said Jesus had a primary and secondary nature?

achorladey:

For your own mind bah, keep revelling in you lack of comprehension of the scriptures.

achorladey:

Let me tell what I know Exodus 6:3, Daniel 7:13 Psalms 83:18. Who is the Almighty? Who is the Most high? Who is ancient of days, What is his name? Simple question deserve simple answers....... JEHOVAH.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Simple question his name JEHOVAH his son's name Jesus christ. I have answered my stupid question. What else!!!

solite3:

@bold, only Jesus has descended and ascended into heaven.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

You can see that the Jehovah that descended and ascended again into heaven is Jesus

Jesus is Almighty God!

johnw74:
bro and sol, one of you or maybe both of you have talked before about no man having seen the Father,
and I'm amazed how false jw don't believe all the Bible verses that expose their satanic doctrines.

They obviously must know that they don't believe the Bible, and so know that the god they follow is satan,
they cannot be just mistaken in belief, they must indeed know that they are satans disciples.

Emusan:
You know the trap you would've gotten yourself into had it been you answer that's why you keep dodging my simple question.



Now let me show you the fallacy you're trying so had to cover up by failing to provide simple Yes/No answer to my question.

Here you said

As we can see how you're trying harder to prove that there's a difference between the wordy of John and Jesus Christ regard the usage of my God whereas from the Greek lexicon it was the word used by both John and Jesus Christ.
17 Jesus <Iesous> saith <lego> unto her <autos>, Touch <haptomai> me <mou> not <me>; for <gar> I am <anabaino> not yet <oupo> ascended <anabaino> to <pros> my <mou> Father <pater>: but <de> go <poreuomai> to <pros> my <mou> brethren <adelphos>, and <kai> say <epo> unto them <autos>, I ascend <anabaino> unto <pros> my <mou> Father <pater>, and <kai> your <humon> Father <pater>; and <kai> to my <mou> God <theos>, and <kai> your <humon> God <theos>.

28 And <kai> Thomas <Thomas> answered <apokrinomai> and <kai> said <epo> unto him <autos>, My <mou> Lord <kurios> and <kai> my <mou> God <theos>.

Now that you can see it, who did Thomas address as my LORD and my God; Jesus or Jehovah

If both Jesus and Jehovah are addressed as my God, then how many God are there? OR Jehovah is a God like Jesus too?

achorladey:

What is the name of his son? I always love the way you jump into my question, because you totally lack comprehension skills you don't know that his ''son's'' in this particular scripture shows possession.

solite3:
that you lack comprehension doesn't mean you should pour out rubbish.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I only pointed out to you that the first question@red was clearly speaking of Jesus christ.
@ blue was was referring to God's majesty.
'Who' in the first question referred to Jesus the Son of God.

solite3:
that you lack comprehension doesn't mean you should pour out rubbish.

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?
who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I only pointed out to you that the first question@red was clearly speaking of Jesus christ.
@ blue was was referring to God's majesty.
'Who' in the first question referred to Jesus the Son of God.
I

Barristter07:
Brocab



God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes, and he can cause to happen whatever is required with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.



vain traditions of men, then why did faithful men of old used the name in their writings ?





Dont be dogmatic friend, who told you Yahweh is the real hebrew pronounciation ?

Explaining why he used “Jehovah” instead of “Yahweh” in his 1911 work Studies in the Psalms, respected Bible scholar Joseph Bryant Rotherham said that he wanted to employ a “form of the name more familiar (while perfectly acceptable) to the general Bible-reading public.” In 1930 scholar A. F. Kirkpatrick made a similar point regarding the use of the form “Jehovah.” He said: “Modern grammarians argue that it ought to be read Yahveh or Yahaveh; but JEHOVAH seems firmly rooted in the English language, and the really important point is not the exact pronunciation, but the recognition that it is a Proper Name, not merely an appellative title like ‘Lord.’”


I can't count how many religious songs that proudly use the name Jehovah today, EVEN IN CHURCH HYMNS and so called gospel songs . the name is been used freely just to let you know how firmly rooted it is in the english language . forms like Jehovah - Jireh are used from time to time in daily religious supplications , so what exactly are u saying ?

I think you forget that your cherished KJV use the name Jehovah too, its a failed translation ?

johnw74:
bro and sol, one of you or maybe both of you have talked before about no man having seen the Father,
and I'm amazed how false jw don't believe all the Bible verses that expose their satanic doctrines.

They obviously must know that they don't believe the Bible, and so know that the god they follow is satan,
they cannot be just mistaken in belief, they must indeed know that they are satans disciples.

dolphinheart:


He would never accept the verses in the KJV where the name of God in English "jehovah" was used. I asked him several times go post what psalms 83: 18 says in the KJV, he vehemently refused.

dolphinheart:

Good that you admit that you really did edit my post, expecially the scriptures, hope brocab sees your admission.

dolphinheart:


you are lying, those verses did not say what you posted.

1 ti 3: 16 did not say God was manifest in flesh, let's look at several translations.



◄ 1 Timothy 3:16 ►

[b]New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.


New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning! 

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory. 

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.[/b]

STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE WORD "GOD" AS ADDED BY YOU WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT VERSE IS AN ADDITION MADE BY THOSE WHO ARE FUSTRATED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY VERSE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE DIRECTLY. THE ADDITION HAS BEEN DISCOVER TO BE FALSE.

ALSO DISCOVERED TO BE FALSE ARE WORDS ADDED TO REVELATION 1:8 BELOW IS A BETTER TRANSLATION OF THAT VERSE.(THE FALSE WORDS HAD BEEN REMOVED)

[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 

New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty. 

New American Standard 1977 
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”[/b]

brocab, adherents of the false trinity doctrine had gone a long way in adulterating certain verses, but thanks to the discovery of new older and more accurate scrolls and technology, the dark works had been discovered, new bibles are gradually removing those false additions in the scriptures.

dolphinheart:


you are lying, those verses did not say what you posted.

1 ti 3: 16 did not say God was manifest in flesh,

dolphinheart:

Good that you admit that you really did edit my post, expecially the scriptures, hope brocab sees your admission.