dolphinheart:


3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE
It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE.
FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.

achorladey:

You say that as if I am trying to join your league. Oga let me remain in my own league. Abeg!!!!!

achorladey:
This goes to solite3 who loves the consent of the pharisees/saduccees. Luke 22:70,71 will help you a lot in determining who the pharisees/sadducees think or say Jesus is?

achorladey:
Brocab, Solite3, Johnw74 e.t.c I never thought I could stumble across this but let me share it with you guys. Luke 22:69 hereafter shall the son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. Guess what!!! Jesus himself said this. Jesus did not only confirm himself as son of man as indicated in Dan 7:13 but also indicate his position in relation to God. Expecting your comment on this one though.

achorladey:

Do I really need to reply this post? No, simply because the poster cant comprehend his statement quoted as follows ''all power in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus''. You simply cannot reason. Did Jesus need to be ''given'' such power if indeed he was Almighty God.

dolphinheart:


it's easy to see that the reason I refused to respond is not about what you said, but your deliberate editing of my post when quoting me, you deliberate removal of the scriptures I quoted shows you know that an attempt to talk about them will expose you.

solite3:
the question should be why would Jehovah give another god all power both in heaven and on earth?
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my[b] glory will I not give to another, [/b]neither my praise to graven images.




Jehovah gave Jesus all power in heaven and in earth because Jesus is God.

I take this illogical reply to mean you cant find a single instance in the scripture where the only true God and Father of Christ is been given power . I belive by now, you should have seen the difference between the Ancient of days and the son of man whom he gave power and authority . One is Almighty, while the other rely on the Almighty to do anything .


@ blue . you are a confirm 419 ... The Almighty God exalt Jesus to a superior position because " [Jesus ] became obedient to the point of death " Phil 2:8 thats why He was Exalted to that position


Jesus was obedient to the Almighty God, thats why he was exalted .

Barristter07:
Solite3





I take this illogical reply to mean you cant find a single instance in the scripture where the only true God and Father of Christ is been given power . I belive by now, you should have seen the different between the Ancient of days and the son of man whom he gave power and authority . One is Almighty, while the other rely on the Almighty to do anything .


@ blue . you are a confirm 419 ... The Almighty God exalt Jesus to a superior position because " [Jesus ] became obedient to the point of death " Phil 2:8 thats why He was Exalted to that position


Jesus was obedient to the Almighty God, thats why he was exalted .



NOTE: That tells you he would not be exalted if he was disobedient , That's enough to let you know Jesus isnt the Almighty . His progress depends on how obedient he is.

solite3:
the question should be why would Jehovah give another god all power both in heaven and on earth?
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my[b] glory will I not give to another, [/b]neither my praise to graven images.


Jehovah gave Jesus all power in heaven and in earth because Jesus is God.

brocab:
Man we done this ages ago-aren't you with the times.
You aren't even Christian-and you are trying to tell us something, try giving yourself over to Christ, and ask Him to teach you His Word Of God.
It isn't easy listening to people like you trying to work it all out from your own mind.
And every Christian knows, if Jesus was just a man? He couldn't go through the punishment He went through just as a Man.
His Spirit is God's Spirit-I and the Father are One..

Barristter07:

Brocab



what exactly is your point in relation to the post you quoted ?

brocab:
Jehovah is suppose to be Yahweh which means Jesus brother...
So Jesus gave Himself the Power.
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brocab:
"Simple" If you can't work it out from your own mind, then ask the Lord to come into your life, and ask Him to teach you..
Other then that, you will always go backwards-trying to prove your point of mind, without having the Spirit of God teaching you first hand..
You need the Spirit of God to teach you the Word of God.. Not yourself mind...

Barristter07:
brocab



Brainwashed!


Go and study Daniel 7:13,14 . Jesus was brought before another NOT Himself , The ancient of days who gave him authority .


For more: There is " one who subjected all things to him [Jesus] " 1 Corinthians 15:27

If there is someone who subject all things to him, does that not tell a rational person that He didnt give himself power ?

Barristter07:



dey run mouth

to validate your assertion, go back to that post you quote , I will tag it post A2 , go and point out which part isnt scriptural.

Barristter07:
brocab



Brainwashed!


Go and study Daniel 7:13,14 . Jesus was brought before another NOT Himself , The ancient of days who gave him authority .


For more: There is " one who subjected all things to him [Jesus] " 1 Corinthians 15:27

If there is someone who subject all things to him, does that not tell a rational person that He didnt give himself power ?

johnw74:
More facts people should know about the jehovah's witnesses sect




The jehovah's witnesses sect claim to be the only channel of God's truth

well we know about channeling don't we, Christianity hears from God,
false jw elders hear from angels, undoubtably fallen angels







The jehovah's witnesses sect claim that Jesus Christ is a created being

From Carm dot org

Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; and there is no savior besides Me."
If there is no savior besides God (Is. 43:11; 45:21), then how can Jesus, a created thing, be the savior?
In what sense is God alone the savior? Simple, only God forgives our sins, and only God provides the provision for our forgiveness through Christ. Yet, Jesus is the Savior who forgives sins and is Himself the provision. How can Jesus then be a created thing?








From Carm dot org

Bible Verses Examined
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am the Lord [YHWH]; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I did not make Myself known to them."
If God appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty (Ex. 6:2-3) yet Jesus says that no man has seen the Father at any time (John 6:46), then who were they seeing if it was God Almighty, but not the Father?

Efrankbblog:
Jehovah's Witnesses had its origins in the Bible Student movement. It founder was Charles Taze Russell in the 1870s. financing of our publications come from voluntary donations. Any more questions?

achorladey:

''He received back'' is the watch word here. From who? Does your opening words correpond to 1 Cor 15:28? Yes/No.

achorladey:

But[b] you believe Jesus is Almighty God and a man as well[/b]. Or perhaps Jesus was lying to the woman of samaria.
Let me get you straight, Jesus the Almighty God(while in the flesh) said to the woman of samaria(who also in flesh) that Jesus ( Almighty God)whom the woman of samaria saw with her naked eyes is a spirit. John 4:24. Does that not seem like a lie to you? And yet no man has seen God not to talk of woman.

author=achorladey post=52027094]Brocab, Solite3, Johnw74 e.t.c I never thought I could stumble across this but let me share it with you guys. Luke 22:69 hereafter shall the son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God

Guess what!!! Jesus himself said this. Jesus did not only confirm himself as son of man as indicated in Dan 7:13 but also indicate his position in relation to God. Expecting your comment on this one though.

achorladey:
This goes to solite3 who loves the consent of the pharisees/saduccees. Luke 22:70,71 will help you a lot in determining who the pharisees/sadducees think or say Jesus is?

brocab:
Your own self pity mind..
I know the scriptures, try looking at the scriptures that Jesus is My Lord and My God, try looking into {Isaiah 9:6} and explain this verse and why is it written about Jesus, if it isn't true..

brocab:
Why don't you finish the quote-Jehovah means Lord-and the name Jehovah was suppose to be taken from the name Yahweh-which means Lord .
So how about finishing the quote and explain-why Jehovah's name isn't Jesus but you believe it"s God the Father.

you said Jesus gives himself power but as stated in Daniel 7:13,14 and 1 Cor 15:27 which proves there is " one who subject all thing to him [Jesus] " . telling us you are either deliberately lying or sleeping when u wrote that statement.


there is another silly idea in your post above , Yahweh MEANS Lord .

If Yahweh means Lord, answer this three questions :

1) Hazael the King of Syria called Elisha Lord @ 2king 8:12 , does it mean Elisha is Yahweh ?


2) Aaron called Moses Lord @ Numbers 12:11, tell me , Moses is Yahweh ?

3) I peter 3:6 " as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord" , so Sarah was calling Abraham Yahweh since she called him Lord ?

brocab:
Why don't you answer all the bible verses we have written down, before we answer this one for you. since you are confused.

brocab:
The Pharisees are now the modern day JW's, always against the Word Of God...

solite3:
anytime Jesus is being referred to as the son of man, his human nature is been emphassize. So, Jesus is both the Son of man and the Son of God.


Jesus is the son of man in dan 7:13. The term 'Son of man' had already explained to you Jesus position in relation to God. Jesus nature as man is his secondary nature.
John1:14 indicated that the word who is God (his primary unchangeable nature) additionally became flesh. Jesus is100% God and100% man

Sometimes the bible speak of him as a man and other times as God because he is both man and God (immanuel).

solite3:
@ bold it is not just what i believe but what the bible says. Jesus met John in the island of patmos and referred to himself as the Almighty.
Jesus never lied @ all, he told the woman God is a Spirit. Jesus in Spirit is God but in the flesh he is a man. He is the word made flesh and the word himself is God.
'No man has seen God' that was before christ came. Let me tell you all that saw christ saw God in the flesh that is why they worshipped him.
He that has seen the son has seen the Father.

solite3:
yes totally