johnw74:

continued

The Vaudois

Now the "Waldensian," or "Vaudois" Bibles stretch from about 157 to the 1400s AD. The fact is, according to John Calvin's successor Theodore Beza, that the Vaudois received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. This Bible was passed down from generation, until the Reformation of the 1500s, when the Protestants translated the Vaudois Bible into French, Italian, etc. This Bible carries heavy weight when finding out what God really said. John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards believed, as most of the Reformers, that the Vaudois were the descendants of the true Christians, and that they preserved the Christian faith for the Bible-believing Christians today.

Who Has the Most to Gain? Who Has the Most to Lose?

The evidence of history shows us that the Roman Catholic religion was relentless in its effort to destroy the Vaudois and their Bible. It took them until the 1650s to finish their hateful attacks. But the Vaudois were successful in preserving God's words to the days of the Reformation.

Now we have to ask ourselves a question: Who had the most to gain by adding to or taking away from the Bible? Did the Vaudois, who were being killed for having their Bibles, have anything to gain by adding to or taking from the words of God? Compromise is what the Roman religion wanted! Had the Vaudois just followed the popes, their lives would have been much easier. But they counted the cost. This was not politics; it was their life and soul. They above all people would not want to change a single letter of the words they received from Antioch of Syria. And they paid for this with their lives.

What about the "scholars" at Alexandria, Egypt? We already know about them. They could not even make their few 45 manuscripts agree. How could we believe they preserved God's words?

The Reformation itself owes a lot to these Christians in the French Alps. They not only preserved the Scriptures, but they show to what lengths God would go to keep his promise (Psalm 12:6-7).

And that's only part of the story about the preservation of God's words.


Psa 12:6  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 
Psa 12:7  Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God's words have been preserved, so recent times so called bibles that say diffrent like the NWT, are obviously fraudlent.

brocab:
You should write your own bible-opp's sorry you have written one. Dolphinhearts diary, the book without scriptures.
Fortunately the scriptures did give us that probability, and identifies who Jesus is.
One apostle Thomas confirmed Jesus is My Lord and My God..
Those who truly believe in Jesus knows Him to be God.
The angel told Mary she will have a son, and she shall call him Im-man-u-el meaning With us is God..
And the bible confirms Jesus is the Mighty God, The everlasting Father and the Almighty.
It is also said we live by faith..
The scriptures tells us In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..
Paul did say those words-The KJV said God was manifest in the flesh..
But because it doesn't say it in your bible-don't worry nothing in your bible makes any sense-listen to yourself you refuse to believe Jesus was born-and His name is Im-man-u-el..

brocab:
You should write your own bible-opp's sorry you have written one. Dolphinhearts diary, the book without scriptures.

Fortunately the scriptures did give us that probability, and identifies who Jesus is.

One apostle Thomas confirmed Jesus is My Lord and My God..

Those who truly believe in Jesus knows Him to be God.

The angel told Mary she will have a son, and she shall call him Im-man-u-el meaning With us is God..

And the bible confirms Jesus is the Mighty God, The everlasting Father and the Almighty.
It is also said we live by faith..

The scriptures tells us In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..

Paul did say those words-The KJV said God was manifest in the flesh..

But because it doesn't say it in your bible-don't worry nothing in your bible makes any sense-listen to yourself you refuse to believe Jesus was born-and His name is Im-man-u-el..

brocab:
And I read the prophesy in {Isaiah 7} And it was a sign like every other prophesy that's given until it is fulfilled.
And it was fulfilled when Jesus came.

solite3:
Dolphinheart stop playing the ostrich go and respond to my posts

solite3:
. Dolphinheart, lie lie dolphinheart there was no child born that was called Emmanuel in the old testament.
The name Emmanuel describes Jesus nature as God not that he was to really bear that Emmanuel when he was on earth.
The name was just his character.

solite3:
[author=dolphinheart post=52359862]

it is clear you have a problem. How does this above relate to what I requested.
I didn't reply cos it will derail the thread. How can you be bringing so much unrelated topic at the same time.
@ bold u see how u have descended into the abyss? The subject of discussion is how did heb 1;5b first apply to Solomon. The writer of hebrews didn't quote the whole verse of 2 Samuel 7;14, he only took the portion that referred to Christ. In contrast the whole of psalm 102:25-27 referred to Jesus.

the writer of Hebrews never said the whole verse 2sam referred to Jesus. The part that applied to Jesus never applied to Solomon never

U don't even know what you are saying.

u don't even know the meaning of foreshadowed.

Definition of foreshadow
transitive verb
: to represent, indicate, or typify beforehand

how did Solomon foreshadow Christ?

this is unrelated to the topic at hand. Stick to issues


'Work of our hands means what we do. He didn't say 'his own hands' but 'his hands'.



@ bold solomon didn't say he builded the houses himself.



Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: [/b]and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Solomon did not say he builded those houses by himself did he say so?

But Jehovah said he made the heavens and the earth by himself


Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the [b]earth by myself;.
Dolphinheart Jehovah said he made the heavens alone and spread the earth himself. How can this be possible if he used Jesus?




stop adding to the word of God. If God never called any angel his begotten son how come you think Jesus is an angel?

and yet he did it himself .

go back and read my post of trinity and stop asking unintelligent questions.

johnw74:



lie lie dolphinheart

of course the same repeated twisting-lies much confusion false accusations and denying the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ etc. etc.


Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.

Jesus testified:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending
John added:
the Almighty

John heard a voice behing him saying:
Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned to see who was speaking and saw one like the Som of man:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

Jesus said:
Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 


Jesus Himself made it clear more than once that it is He the Alpha and Omega that is talking, but you antichrist dolphinheart
say those Alpha and Omega verses are Jesus, but the Rev 1:8 Alpha and Omega verse is Yahweh.
That's ridiculous, especially with John saying that Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Even if all the Alpha and Omega verses were Jesus talking except for the Alpha Omega verse 8 being Yahweh
then that would show that Yahweh the alpha and Omega is Jesus the Alpha and Omega,
so either way your lies fail you.


You way heap big lie lie antichrist dolphinheart.
 

dolphinheart:

read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,



it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]



Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 



good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.


Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!



different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)

themall:



TELL THEM TO BEWARE OF APOSTATES

dolphinheart:


good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.

Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.

Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no.

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

I did not say father giving Jesus revelation ,I said God gave Jesus the revelation

read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

brocab:
I just told you God had showing me His name in the word of God-it's ether God the Father or Jesus-these two names are His name.

Obviously you are blinded by the light, I have answered {Luke 1:31} followed by {Matthew 1:23} correctly.

But you haven't given me any extermination that concerns these scriptures, I am still waiting for your answer that you have refused to do,

And because of your denial to answer as such, I call you out to be a false prophet and a lair of the Word.

{Isaiah 9:6, which follows with Matthew 1:23, and of course follows up with Luke 1:31-34}

Firstly before I start, please try and corrupt my page, just the same as you always do Dolphinheart having great pride amongst your own-twist the Word Of God against itself-and make up words as you read with the times.

In the prophecy of the virgin birth {Isaiah 7:14} the prophet Isaiah declared "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, The Virgin will be with child, and will give birth to a Son, and will call Him Immanuel" This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus

{Matthew 1:22-23} And all this took place because of the Word, the Lord said to the prophet.

The Virgin will be with Child and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him Immanuel, which means God with us.
"This does not mean, however, that the Messiah's name would actually be Immanuel.

Their are many names given to Jesus using this phase, "He shall be called, both in the Old and New Testament.
This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways.
Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, His name should be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace {Isaiah 9:6}

None of these titles were Jesus actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever.
{Luke 1:32} tells us Jesus shall be called the Son of the highest {Luke 1:35} and the Son of God, but neither of these was His name.
Two different places the prophet Jeremiah say's in referring to the coming Messiah "And this is His Name, by which He shall be called "YHWH" our righteousness {Jeremiah 23:5-6, 33:15-16} now we know that God the Father is named Yahweh, Jesus was never actually called Yahweh as through it was His name, but His role was that of bringing the righteousness of Yahweh to those who would believe in Him, exchanging that righteousness for our sin {2 Corinthians 5:21} Therefore this is one of the many titles or names which belong to Him.

In the same way to say Jesus will be called "Immanuel" means Jesus is God, and that He Had dwelt among us in His incarnation and that He is always with us, Jesus was God in the flesh.

Jesus was God making His dwelling among us {John 1:1, 14} 'No Jesus was not Immanuel" But Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel. "God with us" Immanuel is one of the given names for Jesus a description of who He is...

Immanuel" is a name given so we know when the Prophet Isaiah prophesied and calling Him "Immanuel" he is referring to Jesus..

johnw74:


antichrist dolphinheart

of course just the same old repeated lies and confusion over and over again
denying the lord Jesus Christ and the Bible.

I don't have a problem with Bible translations other than the NWT
but you do and you pit translations against translations, particularly against the KJV Bible, such is the evil of satans church

Where God is speaking in revelation, it is the Word Jesus Christ, plain as day,
but you lie lie dolphinheart choose darkness

This of course is Jesus again speaking in revelation, to you
Truly this is the record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, to you lie lie dolphinheart:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

johnw74:


To be accurate no man can see Father and live, as verses below show.

good that you can admit that no man can see Father and live, or can you?

so can you now admit that it is the Word of God who is speaking in these verses and who appeared to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and whose name is God Almighty, Yahweh
can you now admit that it is the Word of God and not the Father speaking and who appeared?

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  [b]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 6:46Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

No man has ever seen the Father, yet God appeared to men, it was God the Word that became the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke and appeared to men.
Yahweh of the old Testament is the Word of God-the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

The Bible says no man has seen GOD at any time. Exod. 24:10 says the leaders of Israel saw the GOD of Israel. Who did they see?

dolphinheart:


are you trying to say that the scriptures is lying? If not then why are you asking such questions?
its either one sees believes no man has seen God or man has seen God, you cannot have both!
So if you accept that it's true that no man has seen God at anytime, then the leaders of isreal did not see God, they did not see Jehovah and live!

johnw74:


duh dum mall

ha ha, that what you say, is from the horses mouth, tell them your self,
you are one of them, apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect

dolphinheart:


are you trying to say that the scriptures is lying? If not then why are you asking such questions?
its either one sees believes no man has seen God or man has seen God, you cannot have both!
So if you accept that it's true that no man has seen God at anytime, then the leaders of isreal did not see God, they did not see Jehovah and live!

themall:

Hahahahahhahha! I was actually waiting for that hypocritical "apostates that is, the jehovahs witness sect" Very easy to spot an apostate. Some say this is a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle or abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
Apostates are those who fall away from the true faith, abandoning what they formerly professed to believe. The term describes those whose beliefs are so deficient as to place them outside the pale of true Christianity. For example, a liberal denomination that denies the authority of Scripture or the ransoming value of Christ's blood is an apostate denomination.

True Christians do not apostatize. Those who fall away into apostasy demonstrate that their faith was never real to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Now where do you place yourself? Because the definition sticks

Kontinue

dolphinheart:
Johnw74, I know you are making several posts mentioning my moniker, but as long as you do so while editing my posts, I will not respond to you, if I'm to respond, I'll just probably show you the parts of my post you removed.
I'll not bring myself to that level.