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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 10:49pm On Apr 26, 2016 |
brocab: Humans are imperfect being but I will tell you this. I for one has never seen an organization as caring,loving and understanding as Jehovahs witnesses..ALL OVER THE WORLD! I WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS BE ONE. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:13am On Apr 27, 2016 |
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Their works are calling God "a god" changing Bible verses to suit false doctrine etc. No not "caring, loving and understanding" self righteous is the word. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:26am On Apr 27, 2016 |
Lucifer was the first angel and was cast out of heaven because he wanted God's throne, and sit as God in the heavens. And of course a war broke out and Lucifer and his angels were cast out of heaven. What I don't understand is how you believe this story about Michael an archangel becoming Jesus, Lucifer was cast out because he wanted to sit as God, but with your story God had given all His authority over to the archangel Michael, given Michael complete authority to become God's Son? So God didn't want Lucifer to take on His authority, but you believe God gave all His authority to Michael and sits as God's right hand man It wasn't God who gave Michael a place to be His Son, this authority came from you? The JW's have given Michael all the ownership to the kingdom of God. So can anyone share a little light on this subject, And why do you believe it Sarang: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:05am On Apr 27, 2016 |
God created Himself didn't He? Or are you also into the big bang theory? I am only trying to draw you JW's in on this subject, and I guess it worked? No-where in the bible did it say God had given Michael His authority to become Jesus. Was it written in the Watchtower magazines? So I was hoping someone belonging to your organization could shed a little light on this subject, because you JW's think otherwise, about God's creation, and you can't seem to understand what the bible is really about. So if one of you could explain to us why you believe an archangel was sent to earth in spirit and was given a new identity to be born as a man "Jesus" Then at least you could give us more information on this subject. Because every time I have spoken out about God and Jesus, it's always a JW who had denied the truth about them both. So if you are trying to convince us to believe you, then its best to tell us, why" why do you all believe your teachings are right' while the God in the bible is wrong' at least one of you could explain why' you believe it goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by misreal(m): 3:49am On Apr 27, 2016 |
Efrankbblog:we SIN too.......i cant believe i read that clearly.somebody should explain this to me oh,because i know yaweh hates sin.. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 7:19am On Apr 27, 2016 |
Just listen to yourself! brocab: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 7:37am On Apr 27, 2016 |
Sarang: How do you manage to understand what he is saying? His story is not always coordinated. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 7:56am On Apr 27, 2016 |
I av been following d comments of these jws n it seems dey don't knw d implications of calling Jesus a god.may God forgive dem |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 8:09am On Apr 27, 2016 |
I have been following some comments[color=#990000][/color] made by these jws and it seems they don't knw d implications of calling Jesus a god.may God forgive them |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 8:15am On Apr 27, 2016 |
solite3: maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6 and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 8:20am On Apr 27, 2016 |
goodnews201668: that's how he types, he does not try to arrange his points in an orderly manner. One has to read his posts at least 3 times to understand what he is trying to say, and even after that , you might not understand him. The color seperation only makes it worse. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by prinzfavian(m): 8:31am On Apr 27, 2016 |
brocab: The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling with wicked angels, in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan, and in revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah's rulership and fighting God's enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name - "who is like God?" But who is Michael? At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as simon. (gen 49:1,2 ; Mathew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us see scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion. Archangel. God's word refers to Michael "the archangel". (jude 9) this term means "chief angel". Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggest that there is only one such angel. Infact, the term "archangel" occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1Thessalonians 4:16 states: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggest that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael. Army Leader. The Bible states that "Michael and HIS angels battled with the dragon. . . . and its angels." (rev 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the leader of an army of faithful angels. (rev 19:14-16) and the apostle Paul specifically mentions "the Lord Jesus" and "his powerful angels" (2thess 1:7;matt 16:27; 24:31; 1peter 3:22) so the Bible speaks of both Michael and his angels and Jesus and his angels (matt 13:41) since God's word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven-one headed by michael and one headed by Jesus-it is reasonable to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his new heavenly role. Let me know if u still need more explanations. Thanks. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 11:09am On Apr 27, 2016 |
dolphinheart:[s][/s] the bible is quite clear about who Jesus is. It is you that is struggling to believe it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 11:18am On Apr 27, 2016 |
prinzfavian:ol these explanations are not needed.read ur bible (KJV) JESUS is LORD |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:39pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
solite3: the bible is quite clear on who Jesus is right! good, very good! I'm struggling to believe it abi? no problem you that know the bible, that is not struggling to believe who Jesus is , can you pls pls pls tell us what you understand in the scriptures of rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9? can you tell the whole world who you think is talking in rev 3:2,12 if you can't do so, then its easy for people to know who is struggling to accept who Jesus is! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 1:59pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Hmm so u re seeking my interpretation of scriptures forgetting that no scripture is of any private interpretation .May God forgive you. Son of man Jesus is calling you.BTW u re not afraid of God at ol.Do u tink d bible is a book u can twist calling God old sorts of name. Jesus is ur creator therefore he is ur God d earlier u no did d beta for u [code][/code] |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:10pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
solite3: solite3, everyone can see that you know nothing, na just mouth mouth you get. The bad part is that you are now using it to say wrong things about others without offering any solution. you cant even prove their words wrong, but you are dedicated to badmouth them. you posted on this thread as if you know something, some verses where posted to you to share your understanding of it and you faltered badly. I did not ask you to interprete, I asked for your understanding of those scriptures, hope you have not joined your fellow liar who resort to lies so as to escape sharing their knowledge on certain scriptures. If you think scripture is not for any private interpretation, quote rev 1: 1,4-6, Heb 1:9, and rev 3:2,12, then add any other scripture you see fit to surpport it for better explanation. when you can't tell the truth, you will be looking for excuse, I simply asked you to tell us who is talking in a particular verse, you are now talking about private interpretation, pls make your interpretation public and give us an answer , ye who understands the bible and others dnt! modified: when you accuse someone of something, it is neccessary to add prove so that you are not accused of making false allegation, so pls for you not to add false accuser to your growing titles, pls tell me where I twisted the scriptures and which scripture I twisted! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:18pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
dolphinheart: @ bold , do u mean comedian phony ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:23pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Jozzy4: mostimes comedian phony will rather just show you he is a comedian to try and shift the issue once he knows he can't answer it, there is someone else on this thread who will prefer to lie his way out when he is being shown scripture verses, even if you use a translation he agress with. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jephz(m): 5:26pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
for those saying Jesus is God..
pls. explain these Scripture for me ...
Ephesians 5:1,2
1timothy 2:5
John 8:42
Act 2:22
Hebrews 12:2...... 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 6:06pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Listening to myself would be a lot better listening to you. goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 8:07pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
dolphinheart: Hmmmmm u dey try |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:09pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Interesting, but the truth about this is the bible only mentions four angels by name Gabrielle whose name means, {God is Mighty} and then we have Michael meaning {like God} and Raphael meaning {God Heals} and of course Lucifer who's name is {Light Bearer} All angels have a part to play, but its these four angels mentioned by name, and they all carry the name of God. {Revelation 12} And there was war in heaven Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back, and because of the dragons weakness they lost their place in heaven, the great dragon was hurled down to the earth with his angels. And then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying" Now have come salvation, and the power of the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. does this mean God and Christ had given His authority to Michael and his angels, to overcome the dragon? Like Jesus gave His disciples the same authority to overcome the dragon the enemy of this world, who was cast to earth before Adam was made? The accuser of our brothers who accuses then day and night have been hurled down, They overcome Him by the blood of the Lamb, {And who is the blood of the Lamb Jesus} and by the word of their testimony. Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But who to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you. Satan filled with fury because he knows he has a short time. This of course took place before Adam was made. We find this in {Genesis 2:9} where God warns us about the two trees in the garden of Eden, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And of course the serpent was in the garden. Now later in {Luke 10:17} Jesus mention He saw Lucifer fall like lighting from Heaven. And Jesus gave His disciples authority to over come the enemy and the dragon who was cast down from heaven. is this the same authority that was given to Michael and his angels to win the battle? Yes, because Jesus said in His name you would cast out devil's {Mark 16:17} The archangel theory coming to earth as Jesus is so far fetched. I don't believe Michael became the Christ, I believe Jesus gave Michael and His angels strength to win the battle. The same strength he had given to His disciples when fighting against the demons and the principalities of this world. This same strength He has given to us, when we come against the demonic beings that was cast from heaven to this world. Angels have a job to do, and Gabrielle was the Angel who gave the good news to the Virgin Mary, and it was angels who told the good news to the shepherds, and the archangel Michael is the guardian angel of Israel, Raphael had His part to do, as well as Lucifer. "I am Jesus" was before the world began. prinzfavian: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 8:30pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
God gave Jesus authority to create himself as you said, fine. At least someone gave authority for the other to create himself? After that they became equal? Is that it? brocab: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:48pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
How does anyone take you seriously, it must be hard for you to even consider you have a brain, but of course God did make you too, but I suppose you always need to remember God's a forgiven God, and because you aren't as smart as you think, we have to love you too. Since you already believe Michael played Jesus, then you should know which of the angels took on God's role goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by prinzfavian(m): 11:30pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
solite3:LOL, Of course He is. Ure so funny. . . "read ur bible" as if all i said was cited from a chemistry textbook. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by prinzfavian(m): 12:08am On Apr 28, 2016 |
brocab: Too many errors in ur post, first of all lucifer is not an angel neither is it the devil. Also no angel is referred to as "Raphael" in the bible same goes for uriel. What we have in the bible which is close to it is RAPHA [meaning “heal”]. Who refers to a son of Benjamin, called his fifth at 1 Chronicles 8:1, 2. His name is absent from the list of those who went into Egypt (Ge 46:21) and from the listing of Benjamin’s tribal families. (Nu 26:38-40) This may indicate that, regardless of where Rapha was born, he died soon with no descendants, or else they were absorbed into a different family. For Lucifer It is, however, merely the translation of the Hebrew word heh·lelʹ, “shining one.” Heh·lelʹ is not a name or a title but, rather, a term describing the boastful position taken by Babylon’s dynasty of kings of the line of Nebuchadnezzar.) (Isa 14:4-21) Since Babylon was a tool of Satan, its “king” reflected Satan’s own ambitious desire. Again, Jehovah came to the salvation of his people by restoring them to their land, until the real Seed of promise should come.—Ezr 1:1-6. My bro the war u referred to at rev 12 didnt occur before Adam and Eve were made, it was after Jesus christ returned to heaven after the sucessful completion of his mission here on earth. Thats a topic for another day cos m sure u wud counter it. Before I go further I want to ask u this question only after ur answer will i know what to say - do u agree that as the bible puts it; Michael is the Leader of all the millions of angels in heaven? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jephz(m): 6:57am On Apr 28, 2016 |
from king james version Ephesians 5vs 1,2 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. this verse mentions that. Jesus gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and SACRIFICE TO GOD... how can that possible if he is GOD?? ........ 1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;...here d Bible shows us that Jesus is not God but a mediator btw God and men ... John 8:42 King James Version (KJV) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.......God sent Jesus... which means. he is not God........... Acts 2:22 King James Version (KJV) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:...Jesus a man approved of God ........... with this I can say that Jesus Christ is not Jehovah God 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 7:22am On Apr 28, 2016 |
Jephz: Bro jephz, just watch as they'll come and dance azonto with your and dribble themselves into more confusion. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jephz(m): 8:30am On Apr 28, 2016 |
goodnews201668:Brox I tire for em |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Molake94(m): 10:28am On Apr 28, 2016 |
Do You guys believe in Jesus as God or as a prophet or as what |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:16am On Apr 28, 2016 |
Molake94: depends on your definition of what those terms(God and prophet) mean. |
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