solite3:
do you agree to philipians1:6-8? simple yes or no. u n barrister should answer it

dolphinheart:


simple requeSt you can't understand, or rather because you understand the implications of the request, you refuse to answer it.

solite3 , pls quote and EXPLAIN reV 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
pls tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

dnt answer halfway, dnt just quote it. You quote it then you explain what you understand by what is written there!

dolphinheart:


yes , I agree with philipians 1:6-8
ill even quote and add some preceeding verses.

King James Version
Php 1:2Grace be unto you, and peace, from FROM GOD OUR FATHER, and FROM the Lord Jesus Christ.t

*the scripture tells us that our father is our God, this is in agreement with the scripture statement that WE HAVE ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER!, it is also in agreement with jesus statement to Mary found in John 20:17 which says ; "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD."
jesus has a God, Jesus is not the most high.

King James Version
Php 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

*who began the good work and will continue performing it.?
King James Version
Php 2:13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

hope you have read jesus prayer to God in John chapter seventeen

King James Version
Php 1:7Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Php 1:8For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.

Now solite3, do you agree with the scriptures I posted?, if yes or no , quote those scriptures and offer your own understanding.

King James Version
Php 2:8And being found in fashion as a man, he HUMBLED himself, and BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, even the death of the cross.

john 6: 38 King James Bible
For I came down from heaven, NOT TO DO MINE OWN WIL, but THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME.

King James Version
Joh 8:42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF, BUT HE SENT ME.

King James Version
Mt 26:39And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILT.

King James Version
Joh 5:30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I SEEK NOT MINE OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME.

THE MOST HIGH DOES NOT DO ANYONES WILL!, Jesus IS DOING THE WILL OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM!
Jesus seeks the will of the one who sent him
Jesus is obedient to the will of the one who sent him
Jesus which the will of the one who sent him to be done, even till death.
that is why Jesus could teach us this prayer

OUR FATHER which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

who's will is being done in heaven? The fathers! whose will do we pray for to be done on earth? The fathers.!
Jesus wants the fathers will to be done on earth as it is being done in heaven!

solite3:
i av addressed the issue of who was talking in Revelation 1,2&3 it is Jesus.as for heb1:9 brocab addressed it before I don' t like going back to things.

Hebrews1:9 Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This is in reference to Christ earthly ministry when Christ was anointed with the holy spirit(oil of gladness) without measure everyman that has ever receive the holy spirit was with measure but Christ own was without measure.Just as every man has a God so also Christ as a man has a God. This tells you Christ is a perfect man

solite3:
i m sori for wasting ur energy .I actually meant Philippians 2:6-8 not 1

dolphinheart:

again you failed to answer the question: pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
pls tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12

simple question and you are still talking something else


Christ was anointed by who ? by his God
who is the God of Christ? The father
you say Christ as a man has a God, pls tell us, Is Christ still a man at this moment? does he still have a God?
awaiting your response

and pls add the quote and your explanation of rev 1:1,4-6 to your reply.
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

dolphinheart:


dnt just quote verse 9, explain it like you did verse 8!

look at your explanation of verse 8 again and correct yourself, expecially the question you asked. are you saying it's the father that called himself God ? or jesus called himself God ?

everyone can now see that you like to lay false accusations hence you could not respond to this:
"STOP LYING BROCAB!, WHERE DID I TELL YOU OR SAY I DONT BELIEVE IN THE WORD?"

I asked you some simple questions about john 1:1 , you could not respond to it

solite3:
i av addressed the issue of who was talking in Revelation 1,2&3 it is Jesus.as for heb1:9 brocab addressed it before I don' t like going back to things.
Hebrews1:9 Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This is in reference to Christ earthly ministry when Christ was anointed with the holy spirit(oil of gladness) without measure everyman that has ever receive the holy spirit was with measure but Christ own was without measure.Just as every man has a God so also Christ as a man has a God. This tells you Christ is a perfect man

brocab:
Christ is alive today as He was back then.{Matthew 28:18-20} "And came and spoke to them saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on Earth, Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, Baptising them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obverse all things that I have commanded you; and Lo I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

brocab:
Dolphinheart you are a false prophet, and a lair, and theirs no truth found in you.
Not only do you cheat your own life, but you cheat those who follow your in-godly teachings. The truth is You don't believe in God full stop.
Maybe its time for you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8} If you refuse too, then Its best for you to close yourself off, from us believers who believe in Christ and God at the same time.

dolphinheart:


you want me to tell you about rev 1: 7,8, then pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9.
tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

you keep on accusing me, yet one, one small prove or fact you cannot provide to surpport your allegations.

brocab look at your explanation of verse 8 again and correct yourself, expecially the question you asked. are you saying it's the father that called himself God ? or Jesus called himself God ?

everyone can now see that you like to lay false accusations hence you could not respond to this:
"STOP LYING BROCAB!, WHERE DID I TELL YOU OR SAY I DONT BELIEVE IN THE WORD?"

you could not provide proof to the above!

dolphinheart:


abeg if you want to answer the question, answer it, dnt try to change the topic again. did you see us mentionin if Christ is alive or dead today?

timothydare:
love this post.
proud 2 b a jw.

brocab:
YOU DENY THE WORD OF GOD BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS, DENYING "WHO IS, "WHO WAS, AND "WHO IS TO COME, DENYING CHRIST IS CHRIST WAS AND CHRIST IS TO COME.
YOU ALSO HAVE DENIED TO ANSWER {REVELATION 1:7-8} {REVELATION 1:1,4-6} {HEBREWS 1:8-9} {REVELATION 3:2,13}
YOU ARE A FALSE PROPHET AND A LAIR.

brocab:
READ WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING TO YOU? Christ is alive today as He is alive from the beginning.
{John 14:21} "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and I will manifest Myself to him.
Jesus is alive and active now, manifesting Himself to everyone that loves Him.
{Matthew 28:18-20} {Acts 9:10-18} {John 10:3-4, 14:15, 27:29} {Matthew 18:20} "Where their are two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.

dolphinheart:

brocab , quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6, and heb 1:9. also tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12. do this and I'll tell you about rev 1:7,8.

you are afraid to quote those scriptures cus you know it exposes your doctrine as false!

dolphinheart:


yes , I agree with Phil 2: 6-8, now do you agree with the scripture I quoted and the explanations I added?

Ken4Christ:
Tell the Jehovah witness to discuss the issue of salvation. They will always have what to say about what they believe about the deity of Jesus. They don't even believe in Jesus to start with. Discuss the subject of salvation, this thread will close. Let them explain to us what it means to be born again and what happened to the body of Jesus since they assert he did not rise up bodily from the dead.

johnw74:



Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

It is Jesus through His angel that gave revelation to John

and again:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,....

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The Father is the Son's God, duh, yeah knows that


Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

in verse 8 the Father called Jesus God
then in the next verse 9, the writer of Hebrews
could have himself called Jesus God, when he said "therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee"

because there would have been no need to add "therefore God" to say "even thy God, hath anointed thee"
it could have simply been said:

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefor thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

so this is likely what the writer meant in verse 9:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (Jesus Christ), even thy God (the Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Jesus calls Father God, Father calls Jesus God

duh, so?


brocab is right, false jw's do lie and are false prophets

dolphinheart:

again you failed to answer the question: pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
pls tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12

simple question and you are still talking something else


Christ was anointed by who ? by his God
who is the God of Christ? The father
you say Christ as a man has a God, pls tell us, Is Christ still a man at this moment? does he still have a God?
awaiting your response

and pls add the quote and your explanation of rev 1:1,4-6 to your reply.
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

brocab:
Solite3 We are heading up the wrong garden path, "dolphinheart nuts" not even Christian, we are wasting our time chatting with him.
Dolphinheart is a lair and a cheat-and their's no truth found in him. And of course it will never be until he repents and turns his life over to Christ.

solite3:
u will never understand my point until u answer my first question do u agree to philipians 2:6-8

Jesus will n his father's will are the same( to save the world) that answers ur question

if Jesus was doing someone else will.

dolphinheart:

again you failed to answer the question: pls quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9
pls tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12

simple question and you are still talking something else


Christ was anointed by who ? by his God
who is the God of Christ? The father
you say Christ as a man has a God, pls tell us, Is Christ still a man at this moment? does he still have a God?
awaiting your response

and pls add the quote and your explanation of rev 1:1,4-6 to your reply.
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

solite3:
tanks for ur. reply let me analyse Philippians 2:6-8
Vs6 who( Jesus)being in the form (nature) of God, thought it not robbery( did not hold to his equality with God) to be equal with God
Vs7 But made himself of no reputation ( which means Jesus had a reputation before as the most high which he put down) and took the form of a servant (which again means he was not a servant before.what about angels? checkout hebrews1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for the heirs of salvation) The word angel mean servant.so angel cannot take d form of what he already is.just like saying a man taking the form of man.funny.[/color]see what angel told John when John wanted to pay obeisance to him Revelation22:8-9 [/b]And I John saw these things, and heard them I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.
Vs9 then he saith unto me, see thou do it not; [i][/i][b][/b]for I am thy fellow servant,and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book, worship God.[b]) and was made in the likeness of men(see john 1:18)
Vs8 And being found in fashion as a man he humbled himself,and became obedient,unto death even the death of the cross. of cos I agree with the whole bible not just one part.

Barristter07:
solite3

VI agree ! but you will have to explain how philipians 2:6-8 prove Jesus is the most high who cannot do anyones will ?

yes it proves[color=#000099][/color] Jesus is really the most high beyond that it also tells u that he left that reputation just to save u.

not according to John 6:38.

let me give you a scenario that will expose your desperate attempt on this thread.] "And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39
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Jesus will is that the cup or trial should pass from him . on the contrary his Father will his that he drink the cup.

Again Philippians tells u Jesus was just playing the role of a faithful servant and d reason Jesus said his father's will be done and not his own human will is because he was talking as a man.

solite3 . two separate people having different wills .

of cause they are two diffent person but one God

if Jesus is the most high, his Father will have to step down because the most high will not do the will of anyone.!!

but if Jesus is not the most high, he will have to step down for his Fathers will because the most high will not do the will of anyone !!

Jesus step down.

The father don't need to step down,Jesus don't need to step down for the father,they are not two different Gods but one God
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dolphinheart:



your analysis is wrong! Paul was talking about having the same mental attitude with christ , to have humility , to have unity and love in mind, to consider others superior to you.
For Jesus said :
King James Version
Mt 11:29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the above verse is telling us that Jesus, despite being in the same nature or form with God , did not count it that he can be equal to God , a sharp contrast from Satan. He did not see his nature as giving him the right/ authority or chance to grasp equality with God.
col 1:15English Standard Version
He is THE IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

heb 1: 3 International Standard Version
He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty
* jesus is not the highest majesty!


phil 2:7 English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus was so humble that he agreed to take the form of a servant, so as to carry out the instructions of the highest majesty. so that God's purpose might be fulfilled.

King James Version
Joh 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

King James Version
1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

phil 2: 8 English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross

Jesus, after humbly taking on human form, he continued being humble even to the point of death.
King James Version
Joh 10:17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

King James Version
Heb 2:9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1Ti 2:5, 6For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.


phil 2: 9English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

Again , you can see that Jesus is not the God in these verse. because of the humility, loyalty and love(even till death) that Jesus showed , God exalted him and gave him a name above every other name!

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Eph 1:20, 21which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.

1. Jesus was not/ never equal to God before, presently or in the future!
2. Jesus never at any time ever had the reputation as the most high!
3. Jesus was not said to take the form of an angel, he took the form of a human, that form is what the writer was referring to as a servants form!


read : www.bibleanswerstand.org/philippians.htm

ANGEL.
Strong's Concordance
malak: a messenger
Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
Short Definition: angel

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a messenger
NASB Translation
ambassadors (2), angel (101), angels (9), envoys (1), messenger (24), messengers (76).

biblehub.com/hebrew/4397.htm

aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
biblehub.com/greek/32.htm

now the question, was Jesus sent by God to give us a message?
was jesus a supernatural being?

you did not answer my question, do you agree with the scriptures I quoted earlier?