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Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by honourhim: 6:48am On Nov 26, 2015 |
The serpent deceived Eve and Eve deceived Adam. From the reply that Eve gave to the serpent its obvious that she was aware of God's commandment to them. 1 Like |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:18pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
tpiadotcom: You are correct, I meant to say verse 14 instead of 15, and that was when the curse on all creatures began. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiadotcom: 8:54pm On Nov 27, 2015 |
I'll discuss it on the bible study thread. basically, there is no indication when exactly animals started being cursed, unless we assume they were cursed when adam and eve ate the fruit. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by orunto27: 4:56am On Nov 28, 2015 |
There was no law and no moral and so no sin actually. It was all divinely planned that Eve would be known by evil and very much later Mary would be visited by Good. Man is a partner of God to make the plan to produce evil and good, death and life, darkness and light and man and God work. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiadotcom: 5:07am On Nov 28, 2015 |
you just had to add eve to evil didn't you. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:54am On Nov 30, 2015 |
tpiadotcom: The curse starting from verse 14 to 19 applies to man, woman, animals and to the physical elements, infact the whole of God's creation. This is where the Law of Thermodynamics comes into play. I'll discuss this on a scientific thread. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiadotcom: 5:19am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Let me know when you open it. My point is God told the serpent it was cursed above all livestock and beasts. However, there was no previous reference to exactly when the other animals got cursed. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:14pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
tpiadotcom: Death and entropy entered the cosmos after Adam sinned. Read Romans 8:19-21. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by Nobody: 2:28pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: in God's eyes.. they both sinned.. you know the whole story so why the argument? to what purpose? Positive? and this you can argue when you remove other detail of other books not entered into the Bible in Nicene during the council of trent.. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by itstpia8: 10:29pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: when God created the world, he blessed everything but he did not bless the animals. that was my point. therefore, its possible the curse on animals may have preceded the events of the garden, just theorizing here. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:05am On Dec 07, 2015 |
voltron: According to your apocryphal books through whom did sin come into this world, either or both? |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:11am On Dec 07, 2015 |
itstpia8: Everything God created and made were perfect, there was no curse before sin set in. "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31). |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by anukulapo: 4:44pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
tpiadotcom:Hum...Sounds interesting. @bolded |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by anukulapo: 4:45pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
kuss:Gen 3:2 The woman answered, "God said we could eat fruit from any tree in the garden... |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by anukulapo: 4:48pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
honourhim:The topic makes it clear that Adam was not deceived. That is the bases of this discussion. See 1Tim 2:14 ... And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:35pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Suggested answer: Eve was deceived. Adam was not. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiar: 6:01pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: look at Genesis again. God blessed living things specifically (referring to their destiny), as opposed to checking his work and seeing it was good. However, when he created the livestock and beasts, he did not bless them. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:23pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
tpiar: Look at Genesis again and see if He did not bless them. "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth" (Genesis 1:20-22). |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiar: 6:29pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
^He blessed all livings things as they were created, except for the livestock and beasts, which he did not bless specifically. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:46pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
tpiar: Are you saying livestock and beast are not included among every 'living creature that moveth'? |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by tpiar: 7:58pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
Every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly. are you saying animals came from the waters? |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by Nobody: 10:23pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: I think the serpent gets a bad rap. It merely spoke the truth. The serpent, who by the way was definitely more than just a lowly snake, (he could converse with Eve), evidently preceded Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and according to other Jewish writings he walked upright and maintained the place. The serpent knew the truth about the tree of Knowledge, it spoke like a man, had an intellect far above that of Man as well as the stature to challenge God. We are told that the land was rich in Gold, Bdellium and Onyx, his job it seems was to supply Gems to his superiors. when the serpent is tempting Eve, he says: "You are not going to die. No, the gods (Elohim) will know that the moment you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be the same as the gods (Elohim) in telling good from bad." Clearly the serpent was the very first rebel, but I see no deception. 1 Like |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:11pm On Dec 10, 2015 |
tpiar: Animals came from both water and land and they were blessed to be fruitful and multiply and to produce after their own kind. And it was perfect. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by itstpia8: 7:32pm On Dec 10, 2015 |
the animals which came from the water were blessed, the animals which came from land were not blessed specifically. Adam was blessed after he was created. And creation was "good", not perfect, many people substitute the two words. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:44pm On Dec 10, 2015 |
itstpia8: All that God created and made were blessed there was no curse in it. Genesis 1:31. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by johnw74: 1:20am On Dec 11, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Yes, God made Eve from Adam(his rib), they are flesh and mortal diffrent persons but the same spirit - the human spirit in a similar way before creation, when all there was, was God, God bought forth the Word from Himself, they are Spirit, and Eternal diffrent persons but the same spirit, the Holy Spirit of God Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: .... 1Co 15:47 The first man(Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man(Jesus Christ) is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God) from heaven. God and the Word is God the Word is the only begotten of God God is a Spirit the begotten Word is God's own Spirit |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by johnw74: 1:31am On Dec 12, 2015 |
God is a Spirit the Holy Spirit is of course God God is God and the Word God is the Holy Spirit the Word is the Holy Spirit Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:59am On Dec 12, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:STORY |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by Ubenedictus(m): 9:20am On Dec 12, 2015 |
orunto27:AT THE END ALL WAS REVERSED |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by orunto27: 2:00pm On Dec 12, 2015 |
I said so above. All was reversed in Mary, The Mother of all Righteousness. and in Jesus Christ, our Lord, that those who truly believe in Him shall sin no more. |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by orisa37: 7:43am On Dec 13, 2015 |
Sin means disobey. God established it for man to know Him. In Adam, He came through Eve to test man's obedience's factor. Man disobeyed. In Job, He came directly to test Job ignoring the wife. Job regreted Life. He tolerated himself until God rescued him. In Jesus, the Son of man came to spell the way, the truth and the life out clearly for all sons of men to become Sons and Daughters of God. The Vatican hasn't said that He is not ever coming again, but that He has postponed His coming to give us more chances and better opportunities to repent and be more attuned and suitable to going back to Paradise. In other words, Earth/Heaven; Cain/Abel; disobedience/obedience; Selfishness/Righteousness; son of man/Son of God; wrong/right are all parts of thesame coin and the plan of God to make the earth a "New Jerusalem" like His Godsphere. Please remember we are His friends to know everything about Him now and not His servants anymore. Happy Sunday. 1 Like |
Re: Eve Was Deceived. Adam Was Not. by johnw74: 12:06am On Dec 16, 2015 |
orisa37: @bold, Rev_22:9 but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Many are not His servants, but those who believe what is written are. |
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