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Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 8:32pm On Nov 18, 2015
Truly all praise is due to Allah; we praise Him, seek His help, and askHis forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from the evils of our selvesand our bad actions. Whomsoever Allah guides, none can turn himastray. And whomsoever Allah turns astray has none to guide him. Ibear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, theOnly One without any partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad isHis servant and (final) messenger.
It is very common among non Muslims quoting verses of the Qura'an out of context regarding the verses of war; they even result without shame into abusing those we Muslims hold in high esteem. This set of people are categorized in to two
First Category: Those that do not know but just go online, copy and paste without researching it vividly
For this set of people, let us see what the scriptures say about them:
According to Qura'an: O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. Quran 49 : 6
Bible Verse: 1 Thessalonians 5:21(New American Standard Bible But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is goodwink
Second Category: Those that know the truth but want to cover it they know that their argument is unjust but they intentionally result to blackmail
For this set of people, let us see what the scripture said about them:
And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah untruth while he is being invited to Islam. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Surah 61: 7 & 8

Some of them have a saying "Islam is spread by sword" , so we ask them simple question:
When Prophet Muhammed (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) started the propagation of Islam, did he start with sword?
When He(Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) was given the conquest of Makkah with mighty army, while the disbelievers were panicking, thinking that the Muslims will annihilate them all as a result of their atrocities against Muslims, the Prophet (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) despite that leave them to leave in peace. So if Islam was spread by sword, why would He (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) leave them to live?
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 8:32pm On Nov 18, 2015
Let us take our selves through history and see the disbelievers' hostility against Muslims, they tortured the Muslims just because they believe in Allah
Abu Jahal heard that Ammar became a Muslim. So, he got crazy.
Abu Jahal led a group of polytheists and went to Yasir's house. Torches were in their hands. They burnt the house and took Yasir, Ammar and Summayya to a desert outside Makkah.
They chained and began torturing them. First, they whipped them till blood flowed out. Then they brought torches and began burning their bodies. But that small family went on their firm belief.
Abu Jahal brought rocks and put them on their chests. They were breathing hard. Still they were believers.
It was noon. The heat was intense. Abu Jahal and the polytheists came back to Makkah. They left Yasir's family in the intense heat of the sun.
In the meantime, our Master Muhammad (s) passed by the family. When he saw them he wept and said:
Yasir's family, be patient! Your reward will be Paradise!
Summayya said with belief:
I confess that you're Allah's Apostle. And your promise is true.
The criminals came back. Abu Jahal was in advance. There was a long spear in his hand. He began torturing them savagely.
Ammar, Yasir and Summayya were unconscious. So the criminals showered them with water. When they got well again, Abu Jahal shouted at Summayya stormily:
Praise our gods; dispraise Muhammad!
Summayya spat in his face and said:
How bad you and your gods are!
Abu Jahal boiled in anger. Thus, he raised his spear high and it Summayya on the belly. Then he began stabbing her body with his spear until she died. For this reason, Summayya became the first martyr in the history of Islam.
Then Abu Jahal began kicking Yasir on the belly savagely until he died.
Ammar saw what happened to his parents and he wept. Then Abu Jahal shouted angrily:
If you don't praise our gods, I'll kill you!
Ammar could not endure that cruel torture. So he reluctantly said:
Hubal (an idol) is great!
Ammar praised their idols to save himself from torture. So they unchained and left him.
The Belief in the Heart
Ammar went weeping to our Master Muhammad (s). He did not weep for his parents or for himself or for the torture he had suffered - he wept because he praised the polytheists' idols.
Allah's Apostle consoled Ammar on his parents martyrdom. Ammar went on weeping. Then he said:
Allah's Apostle, the polytheists did not release me until they forced me to praise their gods!
Our Master Muhammad (s) said kindly:
Ammar, what about your heart?
Ammar answered:
Allah's Apostle, my heart's certain of faith.
The Prophet (s) said:
Don't worry! Allah sent down a verse concerning you:
“Not, he who is compelled while his heart is at rest because of his faith.”
This is just one in many, just because they say "we believe in Allah" yet, Allah did not permit his Messenger (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him), the prophet (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) still pardon them even when He(Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) has the power to annihilate them and after He has been permitted to fight them.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 8:33pm On Nov 18, 2015
Let us now examine some verses of war in the Qura'an
For every verse of the Quran that is touted as "violent" and "intolerant", the answer generally lies in the preceding or the succeeding verses themselves.

Qura'an 2 (190. And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.)
(And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you,)
Abu Al-`Aliyah said, "This was the first Ayah about fighting that was revealed in Al-Madinah. Ever since it was revealed, Allah's Messenger used to fight only those who fought him and avoid non-combatants. (ibn kathir)
(...those who fight you) applies only to fighting the enemies who are engaged in fighting Islam and its people. So the Ayah means, `Fight those who fight you',
Just as Allah said (in another Ayah): (...and fight against the Mushrikin collectively as they fight against you collectively.) (9:36)
(And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.) meaning, `Your energy should be spent on fighting them, just as their energy is spent on fighting you, and on expelling them from the areas from which they have expelled you, as a law of equality in punishment.'

With regards to Surah Anfal Ch. 8 verse 39. It is absolutely true and unadulterated. But one will notice that the verse begins with an And? Doesn't it indicate that there must be something before the verse that set the context of the verse?
Let me quote the preceding verse i.e. 8:38

Say to those who have disbelieved that if they cease hostilities, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return to hostility - then the precedent of the former rebellious peoples has already taken place.

Clear enough?
Verse 8:39 is in the context of those non-Muslims who were hostile to the Muslims back then. Islam is not just a spiritual entity but also a political entity. With the advent of Islam and the Muslim empire most non-Muslim tribes and kingdoms around it began attacking and waging a war against it. All seemingly "violent" verses refer to those who were at war with Muslims/Islam. As for general non-Muslims, the Quran clearly states that they must be treated with kindness and justice.
Let us have a look at this verse:

Surah Mumtahana 60:8-9
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, and then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

Therefore, if you see any other verse of war in the Qura'an, have it in mind that it was revealed after the hostility of the disbelievers towards the Muslims.
Lastly, the story of Prophet Mose (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him) and Children of Israel is a very good example, the hostility, torment and humiliation of Pharaoh and his people towards Mose (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him) and His people incurs wrath of God on Pharaoh and his people
Mose (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him) was given victory through perish in the ocean while Prophet Mohammed (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him) was given victory through war.
Allah gives victory to whom he wishes, the way he want

I wonder if Prophet Muhammed's victory (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him) is similar to that of Mose (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him),
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by parisbookaddict(f): 5:50am On Nov 19, 2015
Boring. ..

And to answer your question

Some of them have a saying "Islam is spread by sword" , so we ask them simple question:
When Prophet Muhammed (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) started the propagation of Islam, did he start with sword?

Most people who have studied the quran knows mohammed did not start the propagation of ialam by the sword. ... he started the killings after he gathered enough people to make an army..

He forced people to bow to allah and when they refused there was war some of which ended in peace treaties and some ended in blood baths carried out by mohammed and his jihadist henchmen...

U mentioned how a man tortured muslims but you forget mohammed also tortured people to reveal where they hid their money...please remind me what he did to the men who he told to drink camel piss and subsequently killed mohammed's camels and herder. .

yazach:
Truly all praise is due to Allah; we praise Him, seek His help, and askHis forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from the evils of our selvesand our bad actions. Whomsoever Allah guides, none can turn himastray. And whomsoever Allah turns astray has none to guide him. Ibear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, theOnly One without any partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad isHis servant and (final) messenger.
It is very common among non Muslims quoting verses of the Qura'an out of context regarding the verses of war; they even result without shame into abusing those we Muslims hold in high esteem. This set of people are categorized in to two
First Category: Those that do not know but just go online, copy and paste without researching it vividly
For this set of people, let us see what the scriptures say about them:
According to Qura'an: O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. Quran 49 : 6
Bible Verse: 1 Thessalonians 5:21(New American Standard Bible But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is goodwink
Second Category: Those that know the truth but want to cover it they know that their argument is unjust but they intentionally result to blackmail
For this set of people, let us see what the scripture said about them:
And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah untruth while he is being invited to Islam. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Surah 61: 7 & 8
Some of them have a saying "Islam is spread by sword" , so we ask them simple question:
When Prophet Muhammed (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) started the propagation of Islam, did he start with sword?
When He(Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) was given the conquest of Makkah with mighty army, while the disbelievers were panicking, thinking that the Muslims will annihilate them all as a result of their atrocities against Muslims, the Prophet (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) despite that leave them to leave in peace. So if Islam was spread by sword, why would He (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) leave them to live?

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Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by Annunaki(m): 7:51am On Nov 19, 2015
When He(Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) was given the conquest of Makkah with mighty army , while the disbelievers were panicking, thinking that the Muslims will annihilate them all as a result of their atrocities against Muslims, the Prophet (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) despite that leave them to leave in peace. So if Islam was spread by sword, why would He (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) leave them to live ?

I guess the 'mighty' army were just carrying gifts and flowers for the meccans which they used in the conquest of mecca instead of swords. As per the second bolded, do you have any brains at all? Why should he kill all the meccans when his primary motive was to force them to convert to islam If he killed every one he conquered, who then would have been left to convert to his evil religion? Your quoran clearly states that muslims should kill muslims who refuse to convert so stop this your al taquiya nonsense.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by Medicis(m): 8:21am On Nov 19, 2015
yazach:
Let us take our selves through history and see the disbelievers' hostility against Muslims, they tortured the Muslims just because they believe in Allah
Abu Jahal heard that Ammar became a Muslim. So, he got crazy.
Abu Jahal led a group of polytheists and went to Yasir's house. Torches were in their hands. They burnt the house and took Yasir, Ammar and Summayya to a desert outside Makkah.
They chained and began torturing them. First, they whipped them till blood flowed out. Then they brought torches and began burning their bodies. But that small family went on their firm belief.
Abu Jahal brought rocks and put them on their chests. They were breathing hard. Still they were believers.
It was noon. The heat was intense. Abu Jahal and the polytheists came back to Makkah. They left Yasir's family in the intense heat of the sun.
In the meantime, our Master Muhammad (s) passed by the family. When he saw them he wept and said:
Yasir's family, be patient! Your reward will be Paradise!
Summayya said with belief:
I confess that you're Allah's Apostle. And your promise is true.
The criminals came back. Abu Jahal was in advance. There was a long spear in his hand. He began torturing them savagely.
Ammar, Yasir and Summayya were unconscious. So the criminals showered them with water. When they got well again, Abu Jahal shouted at Summayya stormily:
Praise our gods; dispraise Muhammad!
Summayya spat in his face and said:
How bad you and your gods are!
Abu Jahal boiled in anger. Thus, he raised his spear high and it Summayya on the belly. Then he began stabbing her body with his spear until she died. For this reason, Summayya became the first martyr in the history of Islam.
Then Abu Jahal began kicking Yasir on the belly savagely until he died.
Ammar saw what happened to his parents and he wept. Then Abu Jahal shouted angrily:
If you don't praise our gods, I'll kill you!
Ammar could not endure that cruel torture. So he reluctantly said:
Hubal (an idol) is great!
Ammar praised their idols to save himself from torture. So they unchained and left him.
The Belief in the Heart
Ammar went weeping to our Master Muhammad (s). He did not weep for his parents or for himself or for the torture he had suffered - he wept because he praised the polytheists' idols.
Allah's Apostle consoled Ammar on his parents martyrdom. Ammar went on weeping. Then he said:
Allah's Apostle, the polytheists did not release me until they forced me to praise their gods!
Our Master Muhammad (s) said kindly:
Ammar, what about your heart?
Ammar answered:
Allah's Apostle, my heart's certain of faith.
The Prophet (s) said:
Don't worry! Allah sent down a verse concerning you:
“Not, he who is compelled while his heart is at rest because of his faith.”
This is just one in many, just because they say "we believe in Allah" yet, Allah did not permit his Messenger (Peace & Mercy of Allah be on Him), the prophet (Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) still pardon them even when He(Peace & mercy of Allah be upon him) has the power to annihilate them and after He has been permitted to fight them.

Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 9:22am On Nov 19, 2015
parisbookaddict:
Boring. ..

And to answer your question

Most people who have studied the quran knows mohammed did not start the propagation of ialam by the sword. ... he started the killings after he gathered enough people to make an army..

He forced people to bow to allah and when they refused there was war some of which ended in peace treaties and some ended in blood baths carried out by mohammed and his jihadist henchmen...

U mentioned how a man tortured muslims but you forget mohammed also tortured people to reveal where they hid their money...please remind me what he did to the men who he told to drink camel piss and subsequently killed mohammed's camels and herder. .


The girl looks like you grin grin

Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by trapQ: 9:28am On Nov 19, 2015
Big fool. Go to Syria or sambisa and explain this to the bombers
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by Annunaki(m): 9:41am On Nov 19, 2015
trapQ:
Big fool. Go to Syria or sambisa and explain this to the bombers

grin grin grin
Don't mind the coward, his more devoted brothers are busy killing for allahh just like mohammed did and he is busy here cowardly spreading al taquiya on nairaland.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by firebrand: 4:22pm On Nov 19, 2015
The sermon is very relevant and the OP should make haste and travel to Sambisa forest, IS (in Syria & Iraq), Somalia (for al shabab) to deliver the sermon to his brethren there live and direct. Not to forget also the Al qaeda network.

Besides, it should also be restricted to your mosques because no other person or people need sermon on peace but your fellow warriors.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 6:26pm On Nov 19, 2015
trapQ:
Big fool. Go to Syria or sambisa and explain this to the bombers

Your bible must have taught you this because I don't see any reason you have to abuse me neither do I ask you to comment

Peace be upon the righteous ones
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 6:30pm On Nov 19, 2015
Annunaki:


grin grin grin
Don't mind the coward, his more devoted brothers are busy killing for allahh just like mohammed did and he is busy here cowardly spreading al taquiya on nairaland.

I have not seen a place where Muslim will abuse Jesus(Peace and Mercy of Allah be on Him), but to you, it is very easy to abuse those we hold in high esteem.

Peace be upon the righteous people
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by Annunaki(m): 7:18pm On Nov 19, 2015
yazach:


I have not seen a place where Muslim will abuse Jesus(Peace and Mercy of Allah be on Him), but to you, it is very easy to abuse those we hold in high esteem.

Peace be upon the righteous people

If I have told a lie against someone you hold in high esteem, kindly state the lie here. And if you feel upset because we say the truth and this truth about the person you hold in high esteem embarrasses you, perhaps you should stop holding the person in high esteem.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by true2god: 8:30pm On Nov 19, 2015
yazach:


I have not seen a place where Muslim will abuse Jesus(Peace and Mercy of Allah be on Him), but to you, it is very easy to abuse those we hold in high esteem.

Peace be upon the righteous people
Why must you hold a criminal in high esteem? Between Jesus and mohammed who is a criminal?
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by dozai: 10:41pm On Nov 19, 2015
yazach:


Your bible must have taught you this because I don't see any reason you have to abuse me neither do I ask you to comment

Peace be upon the righteous ones
Piss indeed. Do you have "turn d other cheek in ur Quran Do u have him dat kills by d sword dies by the
sword. ?? using mayhem and torture to force ppl to get d mark on forehead. maybe its even d foretold mark of d beast.
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 6:34pm On Nov 20, 2015
true2god:
[s]Why must you hold a criminal in high esteem? Between Jesus and mohammed who is a criminal?[/s]
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 6:36pm On Nov 20, 2015
dozai:
[s] Piss indeed. Do you have "turn d other cheek in ur Quran Do u have him dat kills by d sword dies by the
sword. ?? using mayhem and torture to force ppl to get d mark on forehead. maybe its even d foretold mark of d beast.[/s]

What is this thing ranting
Re: Clearing Christians Doubt On Verses Of War In The Glorious Qura'an by yazach: 6:37pm On Nov 20, 2015
Annunaki:


[s]If I have told a lie against someone you hold in high esteem, kindly state the lie here. And if you feel upset because we say the truth and this truth about the person you hold in high esteem embarrasses you, perhaps you should stop holding the person in high esteem.[/s]

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