Annunaki:
This is what you get when a religion is so unsure of itself. The apotasy laws is enough to make any right thinking muslim know that islam is fake.

Annunaki:
This is what you get when a religion is so unsure of itself. The apotasy laws is enough to make any right thinking muslim know that islam is fake.

CoolUsername:
O! Religion of Peace™.
Why do you threaten dissenters with violence?
Why are there so many extremists?
Why don't the moderates speak out against them?

@valentinemary, I can't fathom what you must be going through, when your home doesn't feel like a home anymore and your loved ones turn against you. I sincerely hope that you can find a way out of your problem as soon as possible. If you ever need someone to talk to, feel free to PM me.

ValentineMary:

Same as christianity

Annunaki:

And since when did christians start practising apotasy

ValentineMary:

Since it spread throughout Europe

Annunaki:


You will need to quote a verse from the christian testament to validate your assertion.

ValentineMary:

Do u mean from ur bible, because there are loads of them there.

hockeyoilers:
Deuteronomy chapter 13

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

So as you can see, the punishment of apostasy in Christianity is DEATH, and not only that, the one who tries to convert you is also to be put the death!!!! Note even whole cities are to be destroyed!!!!

What will Christians now say? Will they come up with the typical lie they always say when put in a hole that 'oh no we don’t have to follow the OT anymore'. That has become quite a famous line now, anyways, I would like the Christian to show me where this rule has been abrogated or told to not be followed. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT IN THE NT.

So it says keep the commandments, which included killing apostates and those who try to convert you, what did Jesus say? Keep the commandments, ALL OF THEM. Which includes this law of apostasy.

ValentineMary:

Do u mean from ur bible, because there are loads of them there.

Annunaki:


Christianity started in the new testament.

Annunaki:


Christianity started in the new testament.

johnydon22:
Please tell us, is the old testament Yahweh different from the New testament Yahweh?

urahara:


Your religion promises apostasy with hell. It's not any better and Pls stop being a hypocrite

ayoku777:


Questions keep being recycled.

Under the old covenant, before there was a redeemer, there were only two options of judgment vis-a-vis sin.

Its either for God to be merciless against sin, or for God to leave sin to be merciless against mankind -to wipe out mankind.

God choose to be merciless against sin, which consequently caught man in the crosshairs of God's judgment against sin. And that was the curse of the law.

Under the law, not only did man reap what they sowed in manifold harvests, the sins of the fathers were also visited on the children generations after.

That's why the language of judgment under the old testament was graphic. Because the only other alternative would have been for God to let sin perpetuate until mankind self-destructs.

It is only through a redeemer and a righteous substitute, that God can judge sin without destroying the sinner. And God eventually accomplished that through Jesus Christ.

It wasn't as if God was wicked under the law, then became kind under grace. No, God meted out just, unreserved judgment against sin under the old and the new covenant by letting man reap what they sowed. But under the new covenant, Jesus was our righteous subtitute. Jesus took our sins and the consequence and condemnation accrued to it, and gave us His righteousness.

Shalom!

But I thought God does not change, are u trying to upgrade ur God to another version it is quite clear that God did not make humans in his own image and likeness but humans made God in their image and likness that is why Gods behave like the people that worship them. I would leave Johnny to deal with u.

ValentineMary:

But I thought God does not change, are u trying to upgrade ur God to another version it is quite clear that God did not make humans in his own image and likeness but humans made God in their image and likness that is why Gods behave like the people that worship them. I would leave Johnny to deal with u.

ayoku777:


You've not seen because you keep refusing to see. Because I keep showing you.

Jesus Himself, when He was about going to the cross, said this;

John 13v34 - A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Can you see that?

Jesus has given us a new commandment, which is to love. Love is the new commandment to the believer in Christ.

And when God calls something "new", He has made the former old and obsolete.

Hebrews 8v13 - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

See that? God doesn't bring in the new commandment to run with the old. He brings in the new to replace the old.

Look at all these verses

Hebrews 10v9 -Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 7v18 - The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (through the flesh).

Ephesians 2v15 - He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

I keep telling you that Judaism is different from Christianity. Christianity is the spiritual reality of what was shadow rituals in Judaism.

The pre-grace and pre-calvary era, where judgment was stronger than mercy is different from the dispensation of grace we are now, where mercy triumphs over judgment through Jesus our advocate.

Hebrews 10v28 - He that despised Moses' law DIED WITHOUT MERCY under two or three witnesses:

But now under grace through Jesus;

...Mercy triumphs over judgment (James 2v13).

I keep explaining this to you with verses. But you will run away from that thread and come to another to continue the same rant that has already been explained to you.

Its one thing to be ignorant, its another to combine ignorance with arrogance. When you do that, it becomes self-delusion. Don't turn ignorance to self-delusion.

God bless you.

ValentineMary:

But I thought God does not change, are u trying to upgrade ur God to another version it is quite clear that God did not make humans in his own image and likeness but humans made God in their image and likness that is why Gods behave like the people that worship them. I would leave Johnny to deal with u.

ayoku777:


Where did I say God changed in my post? Did you read it at all?

One thing about me is that when I write, I love to write and explain myself in lenght and with scriptures.

But I've found that, all that is waste of time with someone who is not willing to be objective, but assumes that whatever he doesn't understand must be because it is nonesense, and not because he is ignorant.

That is the arrogance that turns ignorance into self-delusion.

God does not change, but He changes things from glory to glory. There is the old and new creation, old and new covenant, new heaven and new earth. I can't belabour all these again.

If you want to understand the purpose of the law and the old covenant; read this:

www.nairaland.com/2775627/purpose-law

Shalom!

taurus25:

SO JESUS CAME TO AMMEND LAWS THAT GOD GAVE TO MOSES
AND JESUS SAID ALL THE LAWS SHOULD BE OBEYED
AND ISIAH SAID THE LAWS OF GOD ARE MEANT TO STAND
FOREVER



THIS IS THE PROBLEM OF CONTRADICTIONS AND INCONSISTENCY
OF THE BIBLE
AN OMNISCIENT BEING SHOULD KNOW BETTER

johnydon22:
[b] I think you already have done better..

The thing is you have said it all.. Haven't you noticed that "God" always bears the characteristics that reflects the ideas of the society and culture that presents it?

It is clearly shown in all the varying doctrines and distinct characters of God interpreted even from same book.

Like the guy above mentioned. "An omnipotent should know better"

we would expect an omnipotent God who allegedly cannot make mistakes to give law perfect as it is.

For God to dim the law unsatisfactory and needs to be abandoned reveals an imperfect law giver, and for the fact that Gods inclination towards the same law he gave changes shows God even recognized his first laws were nonsensical and so needs changing..

Did the unchanging God change or the people who speak for God change?

Surely enough you know the answer....

If a law was given by a perfect, unchanging and omnipotent God you would expect such laws to be unchanging, perfect but this is not the case.

God had to change his mind and nullify his initial laws to buttress a newer one (Imperfection)

Naaaah i think the societal expectations of the people who bring out what God "allegedly said" changed ..

Furthermore the change of the Law is just a Christian thing championed by the epistles of Paul.. The first Council of Jerusalem recorded in Acts showed that there was an argument on whether the gentiles should adopt the law or not.

The law was excluded only for the gentiles then Christianity was just a jewish Cult of people who believed a man jesus to be the messiah.

But with time the law was totally scrapped from the fabrics of the newly emerged religious idea. (We call that cherrypicking)

Judaism till today does not for sure buy the idea, they are still practising their own religion which is centered on mosaic charges and rabanic teachings.

Surely enough Yahweh changed his mind

They are worshipping Yahweh Version 1.2 while Christians have varying versions from version 2.0 to almost version 10.0 ... all the ideas of God championed by these varying doctrines and theologies all have varying characters.

Doesn't this show these are just men laying out their ideas and portray the deity the way they want?.

I want you to consider this..

Going by origin and similarities, it is evidently clear that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Mormonism worship the same God but funny enough it tells them all different things..

Its either God is confused and have Character disorder or these are just men of distinct cultural and societal settings with varying ideas championing their egoistic ideas to be true.. [/b]

johnydon22:
[b] I think you already have done better..

The thing is you have said it all.. Haven't you noticed that "God" always bears the characteristics that reflects the ideas of the society and culture that presents it?

It is clearly shown in all the varying doctrines and distinct characters of God interpreted even from same book.

Like the guy above mentioned. "An omnipotent should know better"

we would expect an omnipotent God who allegedly cannot make mistakes to give law perfect as it is.

For God to dim the law unsatisfactory and needs to be abandoned reveals an imperfect law giver, and for the fact that Gods inclination towards the same law he gave changes shows God even recognized his first laws were nonsensical and so needs changing..

Did the unchanging God change or the people who speak for God change?

Surely enough you know the answer....

If a law was given by a perfect, unchanging and omnipotent God you would expect such laws to be unchanging, perfect but this is not the case.

God had to change his mind and nullify his initial laws to buttress a newer one (Imperfection)

Naaaah i think the societal expectations of the people who bring out what God "allegedly said" changed ..

Furthermore the change of the Law is just a Christian thing championed by the epistles of Paul.. The first Council of Jerusalem recorded in Acts showed that there was an argument on whether the gentiles should adopt the law or not.

The law was excluded only for the gentiles then Christianity was just a jewish Cult of people who believed a man jesus to be the messiah.

But with time the law was totally scrapped from the fabrics of the newly emerged religious idea. (We call that cherrypicking)

Judaism till today does not for sure buy the idea, they are still practising their own religion which is centered on mosaic charges and rabanic teachings.

Surely enough Yahweh changed his mind

They are worshipping Yahweh Version 1.2 while Christians have varying versions from version 2.0 to almost version 10.0 ... all the ideas of God championed by these varying doctrines and theologies all have varying characters.

Doesn't this show these are just men laying out their ideas and portray the deity the way they want?.

I want you to consider this..

Going by origin and similarities, it is evidently clear that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Mormonism worship the same God but funny enough it tells them all different things..

Its either God is confused and have Character disorder or these are just men of distinct cultural and societal settings with varying ideas championing their egoistic ideas to be true.. [/b]

urahara:

Don't mind my stupid question but why do you always write in italics

Nothing much i just love the bold italic font and people have actually known me for it that some can't imagine my post without it

urahara:

Gods always behave like the people who make
them . - Zora

ValentineMary:

God gave an old law to the jews and a new law to d christians, what does that imply to u? It could be that God had new ideas and had to CHANGE his old laws or God is completely confused. Make ur pick now.