johnydon22:
Then my advice is, Find out now that which you should have made that is the mark of independent reason and principles...

bqlekan:
finding out means walking out of faith completely... then leaving a life with no spiritual guidance, only societal and ethical.. no! Spiritual influence is better than societal influence.. I will pass

johnydon22:
Someone gets the point i was trying to drive into bqlekan.

You do not need religion to be moral or have a healthy ethical attitude in a society.. If you cannot determine what is right from wrong then you lack empathy not religion.

If people cannot determine what they find to be ok in relation to others around them but needs to be coerced into submission by religious ideas mostly with the threat of torture and the promise of reward then we are in a sorry state..

bqlekan:


Nah, religion is not redundant.. the extremist makes it look so. We all have our brains for a reason.. we should not just follow blindly, we are to re-analyse and see how our beliefs suites us and our enviroments.. most people today just follow the scriptures blindly..

Study it, re-gurgitate on it apply it to your environment, then live by it..that has always been how I do mine

Nubian113:

I wouldn't put it so doom and gloom. Depending on which religion you follow one could learn more than just right and wrong. I love Islam I really really do but I can't spend my every waking minutes of my life obsessing over it because life is my teacher and Islam is my point of reference when I'm lost; its my rope.

johnydon22:
Hahahaha your idea of spirituality is subscribing to the moral idea of another... lmao..

You see how vague it is?

This your religion and its ethical lay outs are still products of a society because it takes members of a society to incite such ideology... So you see? you are still following societal dictates tagged "Spirituality"..

You should be good to others because you want good to happen, because you are compassionate and empathic towards them not because a guy named muhammed told you a God told him things you shouldn't do..

If anything deserves to be dubbed "spiritual" in the sense of a profound essence of morality then am sure we all know the words in red describes it better..

johnydon22:
You see in all aspect of human socialism and interactions there is always something profound and deep to deduct.

Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on. Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran.

there is always something noble in human art and poetry .. so learning encompasses all branch of life, knowledge from one angle leaves it unbalanced but gain from every angle can bring a sense of equilibrium as regards your applications of these learning.

But as regards morality, Morality is not Islamic anymore than it is Christian or Hindu .. Morality is Human, it belongs to no ism not in the least.

It is not dependent upon any Book, Creed Or Claim of supernatural for fundamental basis because morality is a human fundamental itself

bqlekan:


Depends on your definition of spiritual ( I remembered we never agreed on the existence of spiritualism) and yes, religion h

Oh you are right here, Depends on my own idea of spiritualism.

If by spiritualism you are referring to spirity realm of flying angels and thunder grabbing entities with golden mansions all all other absurd higi haga abound then surely enough everyone knows my stance on that.

If i can borrow the word "Spiritual" it will be to quantify the deep and profound wonder and sense of belonging that comes with realizing you are part and a whole of a vast cosmos and everything in it are no different from the other or external to it's fundamentals.

My usage of the word "spiritual" surely enough is not in the sense you may imagine, i just borrowed the word

johnydon22:
Oh you are right here, Depends on my own idea of spiritualism.

If by spiritualism you are referring to spirity realm of flying angels and thunder grabbing entities with golden mansions all all other absurd higi haga abound then surely enough everyone knows my stance on that.

If i can borrow the word "Spiritual" it will be to quantify the deep and profound wonder and sense of belonging that comes with realizing you are part and a whole of a vast cosmos and everything in it are no different from the other or external to it's fundamentals.

My usage of the word "spiritual" surely enough is not in the sense you may imagine, i just borrowed the word

Nubian113:
When you put the Qur'an on your list I stopped reading your reply lol. I'm loyal to the game. I found your comment here distasteful. I will stop this right here cause I find your way a lil

Good night x

Hahahaha its not so surprising the selfishness in human nature.. Am sure "Bible" & "Enuma elish" which also are religious books were also on my list, i do not see you protesting for them but once it involves yours, this happens..lol.

You could have read more and you would have seen i didn't in anyway discredit these books rather even compliments them .. In my own words as regards these words of literature.

"There is always something noble in human art and poetry...

But we understand though... Goodnight

bqlekan:

Then never borrow a word you know nothing about again

Lmao i know more about the Concept of spiritualism as regards spirity claims more than you can ever imagine... Many people have many distinct ideas roped to the concept of spiritualism..You may look up distinct philosophies to confirm this, so spirituality is not restricted to that basic basic idea you are imagining ..

What i gave you is my own usage and idea of that word not yours

johnydon22:
Hahahaha its not so surprising the selfishness in human nature.. Am sure "Bible" & "Enuma elish" which also are religious books were also on my list, i do not see you protesting for them but once it involves yours, this happens..lol.

You could have read more and you would have seen i didn't in anyway discredit these books rather even compliments them .. In my own words as regards these words of literature.

"There is always something noble in human art and poetry...

But we understand though... Goodnight

Nubian113:


But religion requires you to follow blindly and not analysis but that you study it, regurgitate this knowledge all your long days.

I questioned and analysed and found that in fact this was all smoke and mirrors. I can't apply religion to MY environment ha! It contradicts my environment. My environment is a live and let live environment so religion won't help that mantra so... Yeah

Nubian113:



Lol! Ok. You're too clever for me. [b[Stupid books you say.[/b] You are clever sha. You never get the point because you're too busy formulating the next point you'll make.

Stupid books please point out to me where i called them silly here.. Please i do not like it when people conjure words to accuse me..

Please show me

bqlekan:
no, you don't have to follow blindly.. so far no one is forcing you to.. all Islam requires are the five pillars, the six article of faiths and moral ethics.. that is all Allah requires from us.. I don't subscribe to any addition or deduction..

johnydon22:
Lmao i know more about the Concept of spiritualism as regards spirity claims more than you can ever imagine... Many people have many distinct ideas roped to the concept of spiritualism..You may look up distinct philosophies to confirm this, so spirituality is not restricted to that basic basic idea you are imagining ..

What i gave you is my own usage and idea of that word not yours

johnydon22:
Stupid books please point out to me where i called them silly here.. Please i do not like it when people conjure words to accuse me..

Please show me

Nubian113:


Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on. Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran.

Nubian113:


Ok. Well the 5 pillar's are my challenge if I'm honest so let me go back to perfecting those... I love chatting to you bro, hope you're well x

johnydon22:
Now you can see your misunderstanding was of your own doing..

there was no relation between " Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on." with the following sentences.

I was only buttressing the point that knowledge can be gained from placed unexpected.

Then started a new sentence " Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran. which i finished with "There is always something noble in human poetry"……

I always say, i am responsible for what i write not responsible to understand it for people..

I believe you may now see i never called your holy book silly here too curious you didn't also imply i called it a comedy book.

Nubian113:


Do you Even read what you type or you just busy hammering your point across. Adding the Bible, Quran or anyone's book of faith alongside harry potter lol I don't like your style of argument hun. Don't put others down to put yourself up. It ruined something interesting for me because u found the need to belittle in order to idk

bqlekan:

You don't borrow what you own.. you already gave the spirituality you own out.. your version now isn't spirituality., its something else which I know nothing of yet..

johnydon22:
Lmao.. Like i said i think you need to visit various ideas of varying philosophies on spirituality... Till then i cannot hope you understand that

johnydon22:
Bible, Quran are both works of human literature same goes with Harry potter, enuma elis and the likes..

So what ever your sentimental attachment towards a particular book is doesn't take it off the category of being a work of literature which i was referring to..

It all rests in what you understand if your sentimental attachment towards the Quran inclines you to place it higher than any other literally works i also hold Lord of the rings in high esteem but that personal sentiment doesn't change it from being a work of literature.

So your misplacement of my meanings remains of your own doing

bqlekan:

You can be rest assured I will.. till then, you can keep your head..cos I'm coming back for it

Alright bro

Nubian113:


Like I said. I don't like your insensitivity to other people's religious beliefs. I love debating so that I could learn. I've learnt nothing from this other than you are disrespectful in the way you argue your case. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. So I beg don't call me back here to read one of your loooooooong replies

Your opinion, your business honey .. I say again "I am responsible for my assertions you are responsible for what you understand

Nubian113:
When you put the Qur'an on your list I stopped reading your reply lol. I'm loyal to the game. I found your comment here distasteful. I will stop this right here cause I find your way a lil

Good night x

Nubian113:


Like I said. I don't like your insensitivity to other people's religious beliefs. I love debating so that I could learn. I've learnt nothing from this other than you are disrespectful in the way you argue your case. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. So I beg don't call me back here to read one of your loooooooong replies

urahara:


But if na bible. U no go vex

LoJ:

Hello.
if Quran wasn't mentionned, it would not have hurt you?
Blessings.

Hahaha it's obvious

I did not even insult the books like she mistook it, rather i even complimented them by calling them "Noble works of human literature/poetry"

johnydon22:
Hahaha it is obvious

I did not even insult the books like she mistook it, rather i even complimented them by calling them "Noble works of human literature/poetry"