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Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Pr0ton: 6:45pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Thoughtful.. Nice post. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 6:50pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22:finding out means walking out of faith completely... then leaving a life with no spiritual guidance, only societal and ethical.. no! Spiritual influence is better than societal influence.. I will pass |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 6:58pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan:Hahahaha your idea of spirituality is subscribing to the moral idea of another... lmao.. You see how vague it is? This your religion and its ethical lay outs are still products of a society because it takes members of a society to incite such ideology... So you see? you are still following societal dictates tagged "Spirituality".. You should be good to others because you want good to happen, because you are compassionate and empathic towards them not because a guy named muhammed told you a God told him things you shouldn't do.. If anything deserves to be dubbed "spiritual" in the sense of a profound essence of morality then am sure we all know the words in red describes it better.. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 6:59pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
I wouldn't put it so doom and gloom. Depending on which religion you follow one could learn more than just right and wrong. I love Islam I really really do but I can't spend my every waking minutes of my life obsessing over it because life is my teacher and Islam is my point of reference when I'm lost; its my rope. johnydon22: |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:08pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan: But religion requires you to follow blindly and not analysis but that you study it, regurgitate this knowledge all your long days. I questioned and analysed and found that in fact this was all smoke and mirrors. I can't apply religion to MY environment ha! It contradicts my environment. My environment is a live and let live environment so religion won't help that mantra so... Yeah |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:11pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:You see in all aspect of human socialism and interactions there is always something profound and deep to deduct. Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on. Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran. there is always something noble in human art and poetry .. so learning encompasses all branch of life, knowledge from one angle leaves it unbalanced but gain from every angle can bring a sense of equilibrium as regards your applications of these learning. But as regards morality, Morality is not Islamic anymore than it is Christian or Hindu .. Morality is Human, it belongs to no ism not in the least. It is not dependent upon any Book, Creed Or Claim of supernatural for fundamental basis because morality is a human fundamental itself 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:11pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Depends on your definition of spiritual ( I remembered we never agreed on the existence of spiritualism) and yes, religion has its own moral ethics in which only few were culled from the societies where it all started.. This is a challenge to re believers, we are expected to filter some of these beliefs and use it as it applies to ou environment.. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:15pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
When you put the Qur'an on your list I stopped reading your reply lol. I'm loyal to the game. I found your comment here distasteful. I will stop this right here cause I find your way a lil Good night x johnydon22: |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:17pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan:Oh you are right here, Depends on my own idea of spiritualism. If by spiritualism you are referring to spirity realm of flying angels and thunder grabbing entities with golden mansions all all other absurd higi haga abound then surely enough everyone knows my stance on that. If i can borrow the word "Spiritual" it will be to quantify the deep and profound wonder and sense of belonging that comes with realizing you are part and a whole of a vast cosmos and everything in it are no different from the other or external to it's fundamentals. My usage of the word "spiritual" surely enough is not in the sense you may imagine, i just borrowed the word 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:19pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Then never borrow a word you know nothing about again |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:21pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Hahahaha its not so surprising the selfishness in human nature.. Am sure "Bible" & "Enuma elish" which also are religious books were also on my list, i do not see you protesting for them but once it involves yours, this happens..lol. You could have read more and you would have seen i didn't in anyway discredit these books rather even compliments them .. In my own words as regards these words of literature. "There is always something noble in human art and poetry... But we understand though... Goodnight 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:22pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan:Lmao i know more about the Concept of spiritualism as regards spirity claims more than you can ever imagine... Many people have many distinct ideas roped to the concept of spiritualism..You may look up distinct philosophies to confirm this, so spirituality is not restricted to that basic basic idea you are imagining .. What i gave you is my own usage and idea of that word not yours 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:24pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Lol! Ok. You're too clever for me. Stupid books you say. You are clever sha. You never get the point because you're too busy formulating the next point you'll make. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:27pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:no, you don't have to follow blindly.. so far no one is forcing you to.. all Islam requires are the five pillars, the six article of faiths and moral ethics.. that is all Allah requires from us.. I don't subscribe to any addition or deduction.. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:28pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Stupid books please point out to me where i called them silly here.. Please i do not like it when people conjure words to accuse me.. Please show me |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:29pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan: Ok. Well the 5 pillar's are my challenge if I'm honest so let me go back to perfecting those... I love chatting to you bro, hope you're well x |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:30pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22:You don't borrow what you own.. you already gave the spirituality you own out.. your version now isn't spirituality., its something else which I know nothing of yet.. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:31pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on. Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:34pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:36pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Now you can see your misunderstanding was of your own doing.. there was no relation between " Many times you can learn something deep from the stupidest of books, learn something full of wisdom in comedy films and a good moral light from anything you lay your hands on." with the following sentences. I was only buttressing the point that knowledge can be gained from places unexpected. Then started a new sentence " Book or film, Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Enuma elish, bible, quran. which i finished with "There is always something noble in human poetry"…… I always say, i am responsible for what i write not responsible to understand it for people.. I believe you may now see i never called your holy book silly here too curious you didn't also imply i called it a comedy book. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:36pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:you are very much right dear, one or two of those pillars are always the challenges most Muslims face.. May Allah help us., And yes you are fun to chat dear.. will come say hi to you at home later.. pls make coffee |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
K johnydon22: |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:40pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Bible, Quran are both works of human literature same goes with Harry potter, enuma elis and the likes.. So what ever your sentimental attachment towards a particular book is doesn't take it off the category of being a work of literature which i was referring to.. It all rests in what you understand if your sentimental attachment towards the Quran inclines you to place it higher than any other literary works i also hold Lord of the rings in high esteem but that personal sentiment doesn't change it from being a work of literature. So your misplacement of my meanings remains of your own doing 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:41pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan:Lmao.. Like i said i think you need to visit various ideas of varying philosophies on spirituality... Till then i cannot hope you understand that 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by bqlekan(m): 7:46pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22:You can be rest assured I will.. till then, you can keep your head..cos I'm coming back for it |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Like I said. I don't like your insensitivity to other people's religious beliefs. I love debating so that I could learn. I've learnt nothing from this other than you are disrespectful in the way you argue your case. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. So I beg don't call me back here to read one of your loooooooong replies |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:47pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
bqlekan:Alright bro |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:48pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Your opinion, your business honey .. I say again "I am responsible for my assertions you are responsible for what you understand |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by urahara(m): 7:53pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113: But if na bible. U no go vex |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Nubian113:Hello. if Quran wasn't mentionned, it would not have hurted you? Blessings. |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by johnydon22(m): 7:57pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
Re: Religious Forgiveness Or Escape Route? by Nobody: 8:16pm On Jan 29, 2016 |
johnydon22:Even if it is your opinion that those books are "stu..pid". It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Even the most religious person consider some other work of art and literature as "stu..pid". Why should people not consider their revered book as stu..pid? Why should everyone be forced to highly regard a book? I personally have no opinion about the Quoran. Simply because i never read it in its entirety. I abstain from commenting what I'm not familiar with. Still, I don't think God can be limited to any book whatsoever. Besides, it is only an expression of our inner doubts and fear that leads us to blame, excommunicate, get angered because someone does not believe the same thing like us. When you know the certainty of your beliefs, you are indifferent to how other see them, provided they don't force you to renounce your conviction. Everyone is entitled to his opinion about the Bible, the Quran, Nostradamus, Thriller of Michaeld Jackson, the beautiful blue danube and every other work of art on planet earth. We should tolerate difference, and accept other perspectives. Greetings. 1 Like 1 Share |
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