ElRazur:

The moderation around here sucks. RichyBlack is biased. Period.

RichyBlacK:



How am I biased? My conclusions were true based on the 2005 report

$osisi:

You missed out Quatar, UAE and Kuwait from your own link

RichyBlacK:

Oh, you're right. But that wasn't intentional. I was looking at the map, and[b] I mistakenly considered Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and UAE as one country because the latter three all share borders with Saudi-Arabia and are all relatively small.[/b]

ElRazur:

How very convenient.

But you managed to see their borders, or even know that they do share borders. Yeah, how very convenient for you.

ElRazur:

How very convenient.

But you managed to see their borders, or even know that they do share borders. Yeah, how very convenient for you.

ElRazur:

How very convenient.

But you managed to see their borders, or even know that they do share borders. Yeah, how very convenient for you.

$osisi:

Don't mind Richy
He has a soft spot for Muslim girls
especially those from Somalia
I think he even migrated over there with one of them at some point

RichyBlacK:

$osisi,

Na craze dey worry you!

It was just a mistake.

However, this doesn't blemish Islam in any way. We all know that the rulers of many of these majority-Muslim nations are selfish tyrants and dictators that only use Islam to subjugate their own people. Most of them will do anything to hold on to power. And why is America supporting Saudi-Arabia and Kuwait? Can we say that they are indirectly supporting human-trafficking?

ElRazur:

But sleeping with an 8 year old gets a thumbs up in your book right?


Nice diversionary move richy.

That statement is so weak, that it can be applied to anything.

RichyBlacK:

When did I support "sleeping with an 8 year old"?

ElRazur:

You have asked if usa indirectly support human trafficking right?

Well, you have showed your support for Islam by claiming it is not "blemish" in anyway. I pointed out an aspect I think is a blemish in my own opinion. Is it a safe bet to conclude that you support having sex with an 8 year old? [These are recorded facts. He married her at 8 and consummate her at 9]

You see your argument of trying to rope the US with human trafficking is so weak that it can be applied to anything. Once it was applied to you, you are quick to get on to the defensive isn't? Nice one richy. You really are doing a good job so far.

RichyBlacK:

You should learn the difference between asking a question and stating an opinion.

ElRazur:

Oh really which one are you doing?

If you are asking a question, then I am asking you if you support sleeping with an 8 year old.

If you are stating an opinion, then I am of the opinion that you support islam, that in turn supports sleeping with minors.

Which one are you saying, 'cuz I can play both ways.

ElRazur:

Nice move. But not smooth.

Since you are now claiming to be asking a question, let me ask you a few questions to play along

If Islam is not blemish in "any way". Do you agree with having sex with minors? After all, you are of the opinion that Islam is not blemished at all. If you disagree, then why not?

RichyBlacK:

I'll answer your question, but basic courtesy demands that you do to me what you expect that I do to you. _{Hope this is not asking for too much!}

ElRazur:

A wounded lion can only move not so far. . . . You see.

It goes back to my original points. Your point of trying to rope the US into this as usual is so flawed that it could be applied to anything. You see how turned a hypocrital rogue when faced with the same set of questions, using the same logic you are trying to employ, you are quick to back down and play off the main issues.

For the record, your questions was directed at someone else. You haven't directly asked me questions like you would like to think. On the other hand, my questions have been directed mostly at you. So your logic of courtesy once again failed.

RichyBlacK:

See dis mallam! You wan try your senior broda.

Abeg do find one betta dustbin carry yansh put bo. When you know see road waka, you come dey carry head hit for wall. Na wall make you vex?

ElRazur:

I love you too. 

I rest my case. Point proven. Case closed.

RichyBlacK:

Let me tell you your problem: You put more weight in trying to show that you're smart than on the issue being discussed.

The day you learn to put more weight on the issue at hand, is the day more people will start taking you seriously. Feel me?

$osisi:

Now tell us what you know about those 3 countries with regards to human right violations based on any other standards you choose

do any of them have a dicatatorship?
Which ones allow freedom of worship,movement, and rights to protest?
Which one is a true democracy?

$osisi:

Liar
Saudi Arabia does not have poor relations with the USA
Neither does Kuwait.
US went into war in the gulf to rescue Kuwait,remember?
yet they are both on that list

In case you missed it,see the criteria

TIER 1
Countries whose governments fully comply with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act’s (TVPA) minimum standards

TIER 2
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the TVPA’s minimum standards, but are making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with those standards

TIER 2 WATCH LIST
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the TVPA’s minimum standards, but are making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with those standards AND:
a) The absolute number of victims of severe forms of trafficking is very significant or is
significantly increasing; or
b) There is a failure to provide evidence of increasing efforts to combat severe forms of trafficking in persons from the previous year; or
c) The determination that a country is making significant efforts to bring themselves into compliance with minimum standards was based on commitments by the country to take additional future steps over the next year

TIER 3
Countries whose governments do not fully comply with the minimum standards and are not making significant efforts to do so


so are you arguing that those Muslim countries should have been given a 1?
What in the above makes them not to deserve an f ?

biina:

What has the religion and system of government have to do with human trafficking? human rights violations goes beyond human trafficking.

biina:


With all your assertions, you are yet to state how non compliance with an act equates to being guilty of the crime as you imply in your posts.

ElRazur:

I suppose it depends on what camp you are on.

A few nation in Africa still have a systematic form of slavery still going on. The government largely turns a blind eye to this. It is a well known issue with nations having black Africans and Arab-Africans as her citizens

This issue have been discussed before and from what I can recollect, the government and religion institution have all been implicated.

I would love to think an extensive research and consultations on many levels was probably carried out. From where I stand, how hard would it be for a nation to implement those basic standards? To be fair, a nation as standard should have laws against trafficking. If this is lacking, then it is a fair move to deemed then probably "guilty" of flouting the basic laws. Or do you not agree? At least, this would politically motivate them to do something about what is perceived as a lax in their own laws [i.e offending nations]

ElRazur:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7694381.stm

There you go. Don't know what your internet connection is like, but try and watch the video if you can.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4250709.stm

Check that news link.

Sorry am in a middle of a gaming session - playing someone one line and they wont wait for me.

I am saying "I would love to think. . ." because there is no way such acts would have been passed without consideration for the very thing we are discussing now.

biina:

Could you please point me to the discussion.
The problem of human trafficking is not correlated to the system of government or religion as you propose, as I cant remember san francisco being in an islamic state or under a dictatorship, yet it is a prime hub for human trafficking.
you 'would love to think' and 'probably' are not phrases that ensconce confidence.
The fact that I dont have laws specifically directed at human trafficking could simply be because I have other indirect laws (like against prostitution). Yet my grouse is with using the fact that the US does not have adequate access to the efforts by the government to mean that there is a lack of it, or that the crime is engendered.

I[b] personally would prefer a report based on figures on source, transit, and destination cities of human trafficking means, and not some compliance with an act, which does not really tell us where the problem is and how bad it is.[/b]