julioralph:

you might want to look up the meaning of abstinence.

You might want to add the word absolute to your abstinence. You dont eat meat but you eat fish physically getting the same nutritional value and you are talking about abstinence.
What you are doing is a ritual as contained on your canon and not of God.
What makes it a sin is because you condemn others who do not observe what you observe based on reasons raised by the sin ladden fathers who gave you your cannons.
Men who have chosen to entrench themselves as God on earth to all of you.

dsylvo:


hmm. ..... so what's d communion they take all about??

Please read my comment again bro.

Melkizedek:
King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days :1st corinthians 2:16

King James Bible
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him...romans 14:3

the Word is clear..if you eat meat, it is no sin because all meat created by God is clean for consumption..if you abstain from meat for some religious reasons, you have not sinned either..neither should condemn each other..but if you do any of those (eating or not eating) without conviction in your spirit, then you have wronged yourself which is sin..

Very beautiful!

#proudly Catholic

Empredboy:
please it was not because Christ died on Friday. This was the explanation we were told when we were young cos the teacher knew our iq was low but if u tell a pentecostal what u said it will be a mockery of the church. Lent =fasten + abstinence. Unlike pentecostal who only do fasting. Why Catholic added abstinence is because of those who can't fast as u know that we all are all member of the body called Christ

I believe the church told vegetarians to abstain from carrots in those days right!!!

IkehAda:
Hello my fellow Christian.....the meat we don't eat on dis everydays is to abstain from the flesh.Plz nobody is been brained wash or don't know their chirst faith.........

Ok na, the church partake of the flesh on other days

antispexish:

I believe the church told vegetarians to abstain from carrots in those days right!!!

my question for you, what is our major target in this life? I guess it's to be holy irrespective of where u worship because God won't Judge us base on our religion or beliefs using the story of the good samaritan as an example. So bros if Catholic like let them not eat meat, bow to idols but most important thing is the love of God and his fellow humans. Do you love our neighbors as ur self? That should be ur concern.

Empredboy:
my question for you, what is our major target in this life? I guess it's to be holy irrespective of where u worship because God won't Judge us base on our religion or beliefs using the story of the good samaritan as an example. So bros if Catholic like let them not eat meat, bow to idols but most important thing is the love of God and his fellow humans. Do you love our neighbors as ur self? That should be ur concern.

You answered the question you asked. Now lemme ask you, I'm I being unholy as a catholic if I eat meat on ash Wednesday?
Holiness is now being determined by religion instead of the bible.

antispexish:


You answered the question you asked. Now lemme ask you, I'm I being unholy as a catholic if I eat meat on ash Wednesday?
Holiness is now being determined by religion instead of the bible.

it's not God's law but the church so it's not a sin, but from ur statement, can you show me where it's written that Bible is the only thing to perfection? Secondly remember the story of the good samaritan.

emmyw:
The reason why Catholics not being allowed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent is to remind the faithful that Jesus died on a Friday. Jesus gave up His body (His flesh), and Catholics, in an effort to attain greater communion with Christ, refrain from consuming flesh.

It is then a religion not Christianity since it has no biblical basis

julioralph:


shuo na wa for you ooo.

you keep quoting the bible out of context.

now tell me, do u fast or not and does it bring u closer to God or not

even prayer, alms giving and abstinence (the other parts of lent) brings us closer to God.

2ndly about the last supper u mentioned, do you pentecostals truly believe that the holy communion u guys receive in ur church is the body of christ because we Catholics do.

Yes. We do believe it is the body and blood of Christ. Even more than you guys because ours is accompanied by serious teachings that births understanding.. that is the reason it is compulsory to receive both as Jesus Christ instructed and not one substituting for both.

Themandator:


Yes. We do believe it is the body and blood of Christ. Even more than you guys because ours is accompanied by serious teachings that births understanding.. that is the reason it is compulsory to receive both as Jesus Christ instructed and not one substituting for both.

the flesh can not be separated from the blood. so taking one of the sacred species (due to the large crowd present in church) is not wrong.

so u guys now believe that holy communion is indeed the body of christ? dats gud. cause wen I small, many yrs back, most pentecostals only say nasty tins about it.... nowadays seems like u guys now 'chop' communion more than catholics

naijadeyhia2:


You might want to add the word absolute to your abstinence. You dont eat meat but you eat fish physically getting the same nutritional value and you are talking about abstinence.
What you are doing is a ritual as contained on your canon and not of God.
What makes it a sin is because you condemn others who do not observe what you observe based on reasons raised by the sin ladden fathers who gave you your cannons.
Men who have chosen to entrench themselves as God on earth to all of you.

the catholic canon is based on the bible and sacred traditions of the early church.

you really surprise me, is it not ur pastors and G.O's who have turned themselves into ''god of men''

and what do you mean by sin ladden fathers (for every 12, theres always a Judas) but u can never compare d level of piety and holiness of a priest to ur tithe collecting folks,, perhaps sin ladden G.O's (who tell u to pay 1k for watchnite service etc ) wud be more appropriate in dis case!!!

Mcowubaba:


Not all oooo

ok boss, no vex sir.

pek:
Do you? You are the one that haven't answered my question. I repeat , what is biblical basis for not eating meat on a particular day? References to the Bible please.

you're quite smart at turning pples ques against dem sha perhaps u nid to read all d mentions we had earlier again.

like someone explained up there, it started in d early church... cause meat was so plentiful in d roman empire, so its onlt logical to avoid eating what u love most on d day u start fasting!!!

THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH U 'SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE CREW' IS THAT U GUYS NOW USE IT TO SIN AND DEN HIDE BEHIND THE BIBLE!!! JUST LIKE THE 'PASTOR/G.O' WHO SAID DAT WANKING IS NOT A SIN BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR WORD WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE AV EVEN HEARD OF GIRLS WHO USE IT TO EXPLAIN AWAY THEIR NUMEROUS ABORTIONS

may God have mercy on his church. do what works for you my friend, and I'll do mine... on judgement day explain yourself to God and I'll do likewise....

#Let the eagle perch and let the kite perch on the same tree... and whosoever doesn't want the other to perch, may its wings break off>>>Achebe

#Peace...am outta here.

julioralph:

the flesh can not be separated from the blood. so taking one of the sacred species (due to the large crowd present in church) is not wrong.

so u guys now believe that holy communion is indeed the body of christ? dats gud. cause wen I small, many yrs back, most pentecostals only say nasty tins about it.... nowadays seems like u guys now 'chop' communion more than catholics

The very day winners came into existence was when it adopted the communion, blood of sprinkling as part of her teachings and mystery.... As for large congregation, none compares to winners....it has the largest church auditorium in the world and Nigeria, the largest church in Northern Nigeria is winners Kaduna and Abuja, Warri, Benin etc... and yet it is available in the manner prescribe by Jesus Christ.

julioralph:

the flesh can not be separated from the blood. so taking one of the sacred species (due to the large crowd present in church) is not wrong.

so u guys now believe that holy communion is indeed the body of christ? dats gud. cause wen I small, many yrs back, most pentecostals only say nasty tins about it.... nowadays seems like u guys now 'chop' communion more than catholics

When you meet with Christ tell him that the flesh can't be separated from the blood



The very day winners came into existence was when it adopted the communion, blood of sprinkling as part of her teachings and mystery.... As for large congregation, none compares to winners....it has the largest church auditorium in the world and Nigeria, the largest church in Northern Nigeria is winners Kaduna and Abuja, Warri, Benin etc... and yet it is available in the manner prescribe by Jesus Christ.... No excuse is good enough for disobedience to instruction

Themandator:


When you meet with Christ tell him that the flesh can't be separated from the blood



The very day winners came into existence was when it adopted the communion, blood of sprinkling as part of her teachings and mystery.... As for large congregation, none compares to winners....it has the largest church auditorium in the world and Nigeria, the largest church in Northern Nigeria is winners Kaduna and Abuja, Warri, Benin etc... and yet it is available in the manner prescribe by Jesus Christ.... No excuse is good enough for disobedience to instruction

Oga I don hear now.. no nid to mention twice.

if u observe carefully the complete species (bread and wine) are always used during Mass, so what are we saying

alot of u guys simply copy tins u dont like/know or understand in order to win more members (not necessarily souls)

I used to have a boss, an ex cath who attends winners and luvs mocking caths... so I asked him d same ques I asked above, n said ur communion is simply some kind of special bread, nt d body of christ!!!

btw, why does ur G.O have such an INTENSE HATRED FOR CATHOLICS without LOVE one can make heaven o, even if people hail u to d highest

Empredboy:
it's not God's law but the church so it's not a sin, but from ur statement, can you show me where it's written that Bible is the only thing to perfection? Secondly remember the story of the good samaritan.

I think u will find that in 2 ti chapter 3 verse something!
What has the good samarithan got to do with eating meat.

julioralph:

you're quite smart at turning pples ques against dem sha perhaps u nid to read all d mentions we had earlier again.

like someone explained up there, it started in d early church... cause meat was so plentiful in d roman empire, so its onlt logical to avoid eating what u love most on d day u start fasting!!!

THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH U 'SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE CREW' IS THAT U GUYS NOW USE IT TO SIN AND DEN HIDE BEHIND THE BIBLE!!! JUST LIKE THE 'PASTOR/G.O' WHO SAID DAT WANKING IS NOT A SIN BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR WORD WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE AV EVEN HEARD OF GIRLS WHO USE IT TO EXPLAIN AWAY THEIR NUMEROUS ABORTIONS

may God have mercy on his church. do what works for you my friend, and I'll do mine... on judgement day explain yourself to God and I'll do likewise....

#Let the eagle perch and let the kite perch on the same tree... and whosoever doesn't want the other to perch, may its wings break off>>>Achebe

#Peace...am outta here.

Wanking na sin?

julioralph:

Oga I don hear now.. no nid to mention twice.

if u observe carefully the complete species (bread and wine) are always used during Mass, so what are we saying

alot of u guys simply copy tins u dont like/know or understand in order to win more members (not necessarily souls)

I used to have a boss, an ex cath who attends winners and luvs mocking caths... so I asked him d same ques I asked above, n said ur communion is simply some kind of special bread, nt d body of christ!!!

btw, why does ur G.O have such an INTENSE HATRED FOR CATHOLICS without LOVE one can make heaven o, even if people hail u to d highest

It is not whether both are present during mass but whether you partake of both during the mass.

There is no special bread and blood for the purpose of communion..... Jesus used the available bread during their dinner and disabuse your mind that there a corner in rome where your own communion is extracted from the body of Jesus.... I used to think so as a Catholic .... It is waffer and in your own case, an alcoholic wine that the priest gulps.

You are deluded to reckon that you know more about the communion than a winner who has done his or her basic Bible certificate course ... BCC


If you have any evidence of Bishop Oyedepo hating on the Catholic church leave the link here..... The man says he was not called to debate religion but to teach the gospel of liberation undiluted.

Fasting from meat on ash Wednesday n good Friday is a form of self mortification and sacrifice made to join in the suffering of Christ during lent. It's not just meat you can fast from you can fast from certain foods you really enjoy as a form of sacrifice in union with Christ.

antispexish:

I think u will find that in 2 ti chapter 3 verse something!
What has the good samarithan got to do with eating meat.

2 Tim 3v 15-17

Themandator:



2 Tim 3v 15-17

I thank you jare

I dnt even think God will appreciate such sacrifice if one specifically abstain from eating meat cus he was specifically ordered to by humans

Themandator:



It is not whether both are present during mass but whether you partake of both during the mass.

There is no special bread and blood for the purpose of communion..... Jesus used the available bread during their dinner and disabuse your mind that there a corner in rome where your own communion is extracted from the body of Jesus.... I used to think so as a Catholic .... It is waffer and in your own case, an alcoholic wine that the priest gulps.

You are deluded to reckon that you know more about the communion than a winner who has done his or her basic Bible certificate course ... BCC


If you have any evidence of Bishop Oyedepo hating on the Catholic church leave the link here..... The man says he was not called to debate religion but to teach the gospel of liberation undiluted.

u see now.. u don vex because of ur G.O even insulting me as u can see I mentioned bread and wine up there. calling it wafer is still correct (unleavened bread etc) it is manufactured of course, and d wine is a little alcholic (perfect replica of what christ did) so we are on same page concerning d source of the communion.
as for ur G.O Caths who work or schl in his schl have lots of tales to tell #Peace

antispexish:


Wanking na sin?

yes bro.

julioralph:

u see now.. u don vex because of ur G.O even insulting me as u can see I mentioned bread and wine up there. calling it wafer is still correct (unleavened bread etc) it is manufactured of course, and d wine is a little alcholic (perfect replica of what christ did) so we are on same page concerning d source of the communion.
as for ur G.O Caths who work or schl in his schl have lots of tales to tell #Peace

This is an extract from your earlier post .....n said ur communion is simply some kind of special bread, nt d body of christ!!!.........

The Catholics who have this first hand experience of his hatred should be bold enough to come out.... It takes only a smart phone to do so..... The man is too engage for frivolities

Themandator:





This is an extract from your earlier post .....n said ur communion is simply some kind of special bread, nt d body of christ!!!.........

The Catholics who have this first hand experience of his hatred should be bold enough to come out.... It takes only a smart phone to do so..... The man is too engage for frivolities

u clearly hav issues comprehending tins dont u? my earlier post was abt ur church member who told me dat its just a special bread (after ur GO/pastor must hav prayed over it) whereas catholics beliv in transubstantiation (after d priest prays d prayer of consecration, it therefore becomes d body of christ).

as for ur GO I wish him well. but hw can several persons with much less qualifications n experience be elevated above you simply because u dont attend d owners church dats bad. many pentecostals work in cath schls, Hospitals etc n dey get promoted above their cath colleagues (if they hav d required experience n degrees)

peace be unto you.

antispexish:

I think u will find that in 2 ti chapter 3 verse something!
What has the good samarithan got to do with eating meat.

I said eating meat or not has nothing to do with Christianity but our relationship with God. The story of the good samaritan is that you people claim u love God like the Jews but the samaritan who is a sinner.... I beg read the story afterall you people attend the "Bible believing churches" abi u no dey read ur nine?

julioralph:

u clearly hav issues comprehending tins dont u? my earlier post was abt ur church member who told me dat its just a special bread (after ur GO/pastor must hav prayed over it) whereas catholics beliv in transubstantiation (after d priest prays d prayer of consecration, it therefore becomes d body of christ).

as for ur GO I wish him well. but hw can several persons with much less qualifications n experience be elevated above you simply because u dont attend d owners church dats bad. many pentecostals work in cath schls, Hospitals etc n dey get promoted above their cath colleagues (if they hav d required experience n degrees)

peace be unto you.

The fault is in your sentence construction...... I used to have a boss, an ex cath who attends winners and luvs mocking caths... so I asked him d same ques I asked above, n said ur communion is simply some kind of special bread, nt d body of christ!!!......it needed and he said.


Maybe your boss wasn't explicit enough just like your statement wasn't clear enough...... Every bonafide winners not fans of winners but disciples knows the mystery of the communion and there is a book titled the communion table that explains the power content of the communion written by Mrs Oyedepo.....


You statement on Oyedepo was that he hates catholics not how the winners schools are administered in favour of the members of the church..... That they promote the members isn't a proof of hatred.

If your statement is true then those persons have options..... Their phone and nairaland being one.

julioralph:
yes bro.

What's wanking to you and how is it a sin.

Empredboy:
I said eating meat or not has nothing to do with Christianity but our relationship with God. The story of the good samaritan is that you people claim u love God like the Jews but the samaritan who is a sinner.... I beg read the story afterall you people attend the "Bible believing churches" abi u no dey read ur nine?

To me o, a forced practise that has nothing to do with christianity cannot enhance your relationship with God. There is a passage in the bible where jesus accused the pharissess of adding extra things to the law. This law on meat is close to what those guys did then.

Abeg which God are you saying I claimed to love o, which people are you talking about .
Dnt see any thing that links good samaritan with the eating of meat.

antispexish:

What's wanking to you and how is it a sin.

carry on bros

whenever u do d deed... who/what do u think about ? ur pastor or the bible quotations u dropped up there or sexual thoughts

look my friend, I wish u well, explain urself to God on Judgement day, if ure right u'll end up in heaven, if not......