Scholar8200:
But the son in question was a direct product of his faith in the promise given by GOD after decades of barreness and at a stage when there was no hope of childbearing .

And the action you are condemning was based on that same faith:
Hebrews 11:17-19
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

19 accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.


So before we judge the act, let's consider the antecedents. As for the recent cases, I cant speak for them since we dont have the details! Thankfully, the focus of the thread is Abraham and that's why i am here!

hahn:


I'm just curious but did Abraham sleep with Sarah before she conceived?

donnffd:
Religion is a Delusion, a Delusion that has eaten into the mind of the theist, If Abraham was alive today, he would be locked up in a mental institution, but no, he is praised for his faith in a God who commands him to kill his only son, but curses cain for killing his brother and commanding the israelites to not kill, Well what do you expect from a God who kills his own son to save his own creation,from hell that he created...Delusion of the highest order

johnydon22:
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Scholar8200:

Sure else why did Sarah say this:
Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
Genesis 18:12

Scholar8200:
But would he have been locked up today in a mental institution for believing GOD's promise of a son when he and his wife where decades past childbearing, and yet they had a son?

hahn:


Cool. In basic biology, all you need is sperm and a fertile egg to reproduce. If reproduction is that simple, what makes this particular case so unique when people all over the world at the conceived without "faith" in Jehovah?

If god is responsible for Sarah getting pregnant, who was responsible for Aisha, Mohammed's wife conceiving?

Why should an act of attempted murder be celebrated?

Scholar8200:
What made this unique is that:
... he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb:
Romans 4:19
Sarah was not a kid, she was also a ripe old woman!

LoJ:

Hello My Brother. What you wrote is just a marvel, a classic piece of morality and love.

The suggestion to kill the life of any innocent fellow human being, even if he is not your child, can't be consistent with Justice, nor with love, both characteristics ascribed to God.

I personally know there is God. But it is in my perception a billions times better to be atheistic than to suggest that any loving and righteous God demanded someone to kill his son/daughter. Such a suggestion ridicule any concept of justice and would prove any such God to be either imperfect and or unrighteous, and in both cases, unworthy to be worshiped nor to be obeyed.

If a god ask people to kill, what would a devil do?

Anything that is not consistent with Justice and Love can not and should not in my perception be ascribed to any deity. God never asked anyone to kill, steal or destroy.

johnydon22:

Please sir old age Child bearing is not biologically impossible but rather a rare phenomenon.

it happens and is still happening .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

The world’s oldest mother was previously believed to be Malegwale Ramokgopa, a woman born in South Africa in 1839 who allegedly gave birth to twins three days after celebrating her 92nd anniversary on October 3, 1931, which made nation-wide headlines at the time.

until a 101 years old woman broke the record here by ovarian transplant http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/101-year-old-woman-gives-birth-after-successful-ovary-transplant/

Abraham is not the first to regard his child as a gift from God every religious person does even the 101 woman above.

Please tell me is this conviction that your child is a gift from God the justification to kill him/her to prove that conviction?

Wow just wow

hahn:


Sarah was a ripe woman. Adam, even though old, was still capable of impregnating his wife. What role did Jehovah play in this scenario that is so special he just had to order a "hit" on Isaac just to prove a point?

Scholar8200:
The emphasis here is that the man in question had already resigned to fate and was not anticipating the coming of a son through Sarah. What makes this a miracle is that 1. GOD promised it and Abraham believed that promise; 2. Apart from that, Sarah was not only very old but as barren as a brick! . (that's why at 75, Abraham had Ishmael through Hagar).
Like I said, there was demonstrable basis for Abraham's faith in God. Considering his reaction when he had to dismiss Ishmael, you can tell that he was a real father who loved his kids. However, the second passage I quoted showed that Abraham knew even if he killed Isaac, it would not be the end; a rather foolhardy effort not different from expecting a child from a barren,dead womb!

Scholar8200:
The emphasis here is that the man in question had already resigned to fate and was not anticipating the coming of a son through Sarah. What makes this a miracle is that 1. GOD promised it and Abraham believed that promise; 2. Apart from that, Sarah was not only very old but as barren as a brick! . (that's why at 75, Abraham had Ishmael through Hagar).

Like I said, there was demonstrable basis for Abraham's faith in God. Considering his reaction when he had to dismiss Ishmael, you can tell that he was a real father who loved his kids. However, the second passage I quoted showed that Abraham knew even if he killed Isaac, it would not be the end; a rather foolhardy effort not different from expecting a child from a barren,dead womb!

CoolUsername:
Scholar8200, you're defending this story, right? So, let me ask you point-blank, if God asked you to kill a loved one, would you do it?

CoolUsername:
Scholar8200, you're defending this story, right? So, let me ask you point-blank, if God asked you to kill a loved one, would you do it?

johnydon22:
[b]Hahahahaha Sarah is not the only woman who failed at producing an offspring and do so later..

It is really outstanding the type of wicked evil barbarism adherents of religions who claim high moral sky scrapper would celebrate and defend..
[/b]

onetrack:
As usual, the late great Christopher Hitchens nails it. Here he is talking about what he would have done if he were in Abraham's place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVoloVvsupM

"No fu_ck you" hahaha epic answer which will be exactly what any sane human would say.

Egbon yahweh If you want the boy, come and take him make i see

Scholar8200:
Like I said we have the antecedents of Abraham hence any likeness should start therefrom. And in this case, what point / or for what reason will God make such a command? Apart from Abraham, is there ANY ONE thus tested in the Bible?

johnydon22:
there is no more need for me or anybody else to engage him any further.

He is ok with such stunts and probably would do same if in the same situation... I'd add no more

herald9:
In a generation where humans lived up to 1000 years but still experienced menopause at 45-55 years...

What a waste!

Another pointer to how fake the Bible is, it's stories and the characters therein...

CoolUsername:


It's fun to watch them dance around the difficult questions like a toddler who's holding pee.

Scholar8200:

Scholar8200:
The emphasis here is that the man in question had already resigned to fate and was not anticipating the coming of a son through Sarah. What makes this a miracle is that 1. GOD promised it and Abraham believed that promise; 2. Apart from that, Sarah was not only very old but as barren as a brick! . (that's why at 75, Abraham had Ishmael through Hagar).

Like I said, there was demonstrable basis for Abraham's faith in God. Considering his reaction when he had to dismiss Ishmael, you can tell that he was a real father who loved his kids. However, the second passage I quoted showed that Abraham knew even if he killed Isaac, it would not be the end; a rather foolhardy effort not different from expecting a child from a barren,dead womb!

malvisguy212:
Good job bro, I did not see this thread, you have really answer this heathen. Sarah was old and barren yet this heathen say it was not a miracle.