crusadistic:
It will all make sense if you believe in God,but since you don't,there is really no point trying to argue with you @johnnydon22

crusadistic:
It will all make sense if you believe in God,but since you don't,there is really no point trying to argue with you @johnnydon22

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha the OP was not about the existence or inexistence of any God, in fact it never mentioned that premise.

The OP was on the Character Abraham and the the mindless celebration of such despicable figure not whether any God exists or not..

Common mehn you got to learn "Premises and regards discussions" not go pull out unrelated topics to derail the subject at hand..

KingEbukasBlog:


It means you have a problem with the behaviour and not the existence . Atheism is the disbelief in God/gods not having a problem with what He does with His people .

We Christians have explained what it means , I think the thread should be closed because your goal has already been defeated

And Abraham just became God..

Hahahahahaha abeg ok ok this is just so funny to watch ...

hahn:


Lol. Bubu, the flood is a myth and that alone is enough to end this discussion. However, I'll pretend that the story is true and that I'm also emersed in the delusion you hold so dear.

Johnny has brought up several instances of people who gave birth after the flood, lol, and certainly there are many cases of people who don't believe in your god having such experiences. Therefore, what your god did isn't so special because other gods have performed the same "miracle" on their adherents.

The fact your god aided and abetted in the crime of attempted murder is the topic of discussion. Both it and Abe need to visit a psychiatric institution. Unfortunately both of them only exist in the real of "imagination".

johnydon22:
And Abraham just became God..

Hahahahahaha abeg ok ok this is just so funny to watch ...

KingEbukasBlog:


Roftl ... come on ... you said it was a barbaric act . Who were involved in the story ? God , Abraham and Isaac .

As an atheist why should God's behaviour be a problem since you are sure He does not exist . I dont complain when Santa Claus does not enter Nigeria during Christmas (Now you should get it , I hope)

Stay classy bro ...

Surely enough you didn't read the OP just trying to argue out of point totally out from the OP.

" The OP was on the Character Abraham and the the mindless celebration of
such despicable figure "

It was as simple as ABC.. Was Abraham sane at all attempting to murder his son to prove a point..

and the question remains If you were in Abraham's shoe would you have done same or refused ... We understand the epic dodging

I have given enough attention to this "Out of points" i'm well above... Let me stay classy

urheme:



Meaning Abraham did not hear from God....he was simply mad as Johnnydon wrote.

Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram[a] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring[b] all nations on earth will be blessed,[c] because you have obeyed me.”

19 Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba. And Abraham stayed in Beersheba.

johnydon22:
Surely enough you didn't read the OP just trying to argue out of point totally out from the OP.

" The OP was on the Character Abraham and the the mindless celebration of
such despicable figure "

It was as simple as ABC.. Was Abraham sane at all trying attempting to murder his son to prove a point..

and the question remains If you were in Abraham's shoe would you have done same or refused ... We understand the epic dodging

I have given enough attention to this "Out of points" i'm well above... Let me stay classy

CoolUsername:


God's behaviour shows that he's not perfect. In fact, the biblical God acts exactly like a human with superpowers. He follows the thought patterns of primitive men. This is because he was created by primitive men.

Also, I started answering those questions. But then I realized that the original author of the questions didn't know what he was talking about. He talked about obscure theories that had no way of disproving the evolution theory. I thimk his aim was to make evolutionists lose interest since they'll have to do so much research.

I'm a well-read guy not a supergenius who knows every obscure theory that may or may not relate to evolution.

KingEbukasBlog:


Again bro ... we explained that He is being celebrated for his faith and obedience and the correlation of the story with Jesus' life and purpose .

Why was his act justifiable

>>Its bad to take Mum's meat from the pot without her knowledge but if Mum tells you to go ahead then its right <<

God is an embodiment of good moral standards . He is God creator of all . He says do not kill - as one of his laws to mankind . But still commanded Abraham to kill his son . Abraham deemed the act as JUSTIFIABLE because God told him to do so . God knew from the onset that He will obey as an all knowing entity but the significance was the obedience and faith Abraham exhibited and then the correlation with Christ's life and purpose centuries later - evidently shown in the bible .

It was a one time thing with a purpose which I've reiterated again .

As an atheist who does not believe in God , you are seeing things differently which I understand but you have failed to admit that you have done so .

That's why you think you are asking me a reasonable question . As an atheist which you are it is , as a Christian which I am with the accepted biblical interpretations and that event NOTED in the bible many times , you are not asking a reasonable question.

Seriously , you have to understand this time around .. ah ah

I have never seen such an epic dodge in my life you think his actions were justified at the same time running away from answering what you would do in that situation..

a very simple question Since according to you Abraham did the right thing attempting to murder his son, what would you have done in that same situation.. Do it or refuse

I thought it was supposed to be simple since you know which is the right one we understand the dodge bro, we really do

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh dear ! Johnydon22 , one of your crew members only knows part of the story . Can you guys get any worse .. damn !

Genesis 22 : 12 -19



There are evidences within the quoted verses that prove God spoke to him , they include .

1. We all know that Abraham is the father of many nations - a fulfillment seen evidently in our present time of verses 16-18

2. He didn't kill His son Issac after He was commanded not to

3 . God provided a ram whose horns were caught in a thicket which was then used for the Sacrifice . How can his own imagination provide the ram that was then used for sacrifice

KingEbukasBlog:


ok ... if that's what makes you happy . So how does your OP preclude God's existence You didnt answer that

KingEbukasBlog:


God is an all knowing entity , so why should He test Abraham when fully He knew Abraham would carry out the task ? Was it really a test ? Or did the event happen for a purpose ? And if you understand the correlation between the story and the life of Jesus you'd understand why the event happened . Abraham’s obedience after 'being pushed to so hard to the wall' provided an example for us to follow. He was given what seemed an impossible task and he obeyed . And again , the Old Testament story of Abraham is the basis of the New Testament teaching of the atonement, the sacrificial offering of the Lord Jesus on the cross for the sin of mankind.

So you are asking the wrong question because you don't understand the significance of the story . Pay attention to the word "significance" and then the statements in bold

I really did not want to comment but I can't stand seeing insanity and ignorance being passed as faith. For crying out loud the significance here is that we should do God's will even if it demands killing. Faith based religion is dangerous and should be looked at as such, I have heard people saying that they would kill if the pope under God told them to do so. If this Abraham story is d basis for christianity, then christianity lack any basis for morality. And u also said that God was testing him. For what is he no longer omniscient? was it not an expected result? so God should have just blessded him without all this cruel show of babarism.

ValentineMary:

I really did not want to comment but I can't stand seeing insanity and ignorance being passed as faith. For crying out loud the significance here is that we should do God's will even if it demands killing. Faith based religion is dangerous and should be looked at as such, I have heard people saying that they would kill if the pope under God told them to do so.

If this Abraham story is d basis for christianity, then christianity lack any basis for morality. And u also said that God was testing him. For what is he no longer omniscient? was it not an expected result? so God should have just blessded him without all this cruel show of babarism. [/i]

johnydon22:
I have never seen such an epic dodge in my life you think his actions were justified at the same time running away from answering what you would do in that situation..

a very simple question Since according to you Abraham did the right thing attempting to murder his son, what would you have done in that same situation.. Do it or refuse

I thought it was supposed to be simple since you know which is the right one we understand the dodge bro, we really do

johnydon22:

The question remains [color=#990000]If God ask you to murder your son, would you obey or disagree?

Since according to you Abraham did the right thing attempting to murder his son, what would you have done in that same situation.. Do it or refuse

urheme:



Ok, God exist, i totally agree with you, can he possibly order a human sacrifice

KingEbukasBlog:


You are asking two different questions , from the context of my explanations

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2.

Anyway , If I were Abraham I dont know if I will accept or refuse . Only God , as an all knowing entity , knows if I will accept or refuse . God knows your type of person and understands the limit of trials you can take . Everyone is different . God understands why He chose Abraham and then made His "test" extreme

Prrrrrrrrf Just Negodu... I like the way you dodge questions, you no longer know if you would do it or not, i thought Abraham's actions were the right one i wonder why you are dodging from following his examples....

Please we are not talking about who is different or not, the question is "If you are the one asked to sacrifice your son or anybody related to you, what would you do?

like me answer what i would say if i was the one "No fu_ck you, am not doing it, i cannot do it and i will not because i find it wrong and barbaric" its a simple answer, we all know what we are capable of doing or not so please stop the dangling like CoolUsername once used and simply answer the question..

"would you do it or not?" this is so simple

herald9:
In a generation where humans lived up to 1000 years but still experienced menopause at 45-55 years...

What a waste!

Another pointer to how fake the Bible is, it's stories and the characters therein...

johnydon22:
Prrrrrrrrf Just Negodu... I like the way you dodge questions, you no longer know if you would do it or not, i thought Abraham's actions were the right one i wonder why you are dodging from following his examples....

Please we are not talking about who is different or not, the question is "If you are the one asked to sacrifice your son or anybody related to you, what would you do?

like me answer what i would say if i was the one "No fu_ck you, am not doing it, i cannot do it and i will not because i find it wrong and barbaric" its a simple answer, we all know what we are capable of doing or not so please stop the dangling like CoolUsername once used and simply answer the question..

"would you do it or not?" this is so simple

herald9:
In a generation where humans lived up to 1000 years but still experienced menopause at 45-55 years...

What a waste!

Another pointer to how fake the Bible is, it's stories and the characters therein...

KingEbukasBlog:


I told you in all honesty that I dont know if I will or not . Only God knows just like He evidently did in the case of Abraham .

hahahaha all of a sudden you no longer own your own will or volition...Quite funny.. You know something is fishy when someone do not know his own capabilities….this means you deny owning your own volition.

well we all have seen it here... i like the way you danced from denying the question to "i don't know"

shows we are making progress

johnydon22:
hahahaha all of a sudden you no longer own your own will or volition...Quite funny.. You know something is fishy when someone do not know his own capabilities….this means you deny owning your own volition.

well we all have seen it here... i like the way you danced from denying the question to "i don't know"

shows we are making progress

ValentineMary:

I really did not want to comment but I can't stand seeing insanity and ignorance being passed as faith.

And u also said that God was testing him. For what is he no longer omniscient? was it not an expected result? so God should have just blessded him without all this cruel show of babarism.

KingEbukasBlog:


Roftlmao ... what progress . I said : " I don't know" . The same way you deny the existence of God but when asked how life came into existence you say you dont know . Have you forgotten ?

These niggas are learners . Someone needs to shove their puerility in their face in order for them to realize what's up

Hahahahaha there is a difference asking me questions on my OWN actions, how can i deny not knowing my own actions how the world came to be is not an action of Johnydon..

But when i am asked if i would eat apple or banana? i freaking know what my choice will be..

I still maintain, i love the way you danced from Denying the question to "i don't know"... we are getting there

herald9:

The main idea of my post was why their women lived up to that extent but still possessed the same menstrual cycle like us, normal humans... Not which generation lived longer or shorter.

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha there is a difference asking me questions on my OWN actions, how can i deny not knowing my own actions how the world came to be is not an action of Johnydon..

But when i am asked if i would eat apple or banana? i freaking know what my choice will be..

I still maintain, i love the way you danced from Denying the question to "i don't know"... we are getting there

KingEbukasBlog:


Johnydon22 : Will you go for the football game this afternoon between Comp Sci and Mech Eng ?

Me : I dont know

Johydon22 : You are not going because you dont want to see your team get beaten . Hahaha ... we are getting there

Me :

lmao ... I love this!!! Let's keep the thread afloat for more people to read.

So you are telling me you don't want to follow the good examples of Abraham??

Scholar8200:
Kindly prove the highlighted (from the Bible) including ages of your respondents bearing in mind the 45-55 range you claimed initially.

Sarah's main issue was barreness. Old age came in later; the issue of deadness of womb came up when Abraham was 100 and Sarah was 90 Genesis 17:17 Any similarities to today?

KingEbukasBlog:


Come on bro . We all know you tried comparing the dispensation of Adam and Sarah because you thought Sarah was ripe in her 90s .

And this miracle chose to happen when God visited her . Hahaha ...

Again . The purpose was not attempted murder but Abraham's exhibition of faith and obedience even at the VERY EXTREME and the outcome of the event will have to correlate with the life and purpose of Christ's coming .

Y'all to blind to see it ? What do you even know sef Giving your own interpretations of biblical events and obdurately claiming its true - that has to be the most foolish attempt I've ever seen .

KingEbukasBlog:


I told you in all honesty that I dont know if I will or not . Only God knows just like He evidently did in the case of Abraham .

CoolUsername:


If God knows whether we'll obey him or not beforehand, then what's the point of religion?