asalimpo:
Op thanks for sharing. This is better news in the wake of our sliding currency and constricting economy.

Skako:
that means all Christian that are poor is for not obeying God?
haha Op which drug can I prescribe for u bcs something Don hit u for head

sonOfLucifer:
Poverty is subjective.

Gombs:
It's a worrisome trend I see these days, and it makes me wonder. Some folks wait on God to make them rich or successful, and all they did was to visit churches, make confessions and maybe get excited at what the preacher said about God, with regards blessing His children financially.

A large group of Christians want divine favor and don't even don't even mind if they really deserve what they're hoping for. We just want to get what we haven't worked for. We fill up churches & camps everyday, crusade, finance meetings etc for unmerited favor, overnight success, etc. We expect a miracle on anything finance, without doing what he says about finances, like savings and other principles the bible spoke of.

Now, there are miracle meetings where ministers of God prayed to God for 'miracle monies', and boooom... these miracles did happen (Whether some us believe that or not, is immaterial here). These are exceptional cases, and obviously, one cannot bank on these forever. God has got principles in His Word, and He sticks to every bit of it, whether we know these principles or not.

Down the line, because alot of Christians don't know God's financial principles, and after so long a time in churches, and giving, paying their tithes, making confessions etc, they end up broke or frustrated or both. They quickly blame Pastors for 'deceiving' them, or on a grand scale, they blame God, for not "picking their calls"

see what the good book wrote

Jeremiah 5:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

notice the reason for their poverty.
1. foolishness
2. lack of knowledge of God's ways

Ok, fine, we've given in church, prayed, confessed, yet 'nothing'. It's still the same old story. We sometimes fail to see that God has made us rich in all ways imaginable, and therefore, it is legally impossible in the sight of God for Christians to be poor.

When we received salvation in Christ Jesus, we received an inheritance, whether we knew it or not. Jesus didn't come to save us for nothing, He came to save us for a purpose, which is to bring us into fellowship, hence the inheritance. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a christian to be poor, a christian can only be IGNORANT of his riches, because to be a christian, is to be in ONENESS with Jesus Christ, and therefore a joint-heir with Jesus. This is why describing a Christian as "poor" is a misnomer.

Proverbs 13:18 The Complete Jewish Bible
18 Poverty and shame are for him who won't be taught , but he who heeds reproof will be honored.

Therefore, the only thing that keeps a Christian in poverty, is his ignorance. If then we now know we're rich in Jesus Christ, the next thing is knowing His financial principles.


God's Word tells us to
1. Give, and receive
2. It tells us to save
3. it tells us to work, or we won't have what to give/eat

In other words, it tells us to be financially smart. Get the knowledge of the word, know what the Word says about your finances, activate them, and you'd marvel at God's provision for you.

Job 36:11 New Living Translation (NLT)
11 “If they listen and obey God, they will be blessed with prosperity throughout their lives. All their years will be pleasant.

Prosperity is a blessing. Walk in it. Know the Word for yourself.

amen

vooks:

Missed you my negro(no homo)
Whatsup?

sonOfLucifer:

Same here bro. Just okay. Hope you're though.

sonOfLucifer:
Poverty is subjective.

Newnas:
now I know why Christians will do anything for money, and the only righteous Christian is the wealthy Christian.

Now I know why owning a private jet is a sign of prophethood in Christianity even if those jets are used for smuggling ammunition.

Now I know why church services are the same monotonous dose of placebo giving people 'reasons' why they are poor.

Now, I have stopped wondering. thanks alot OP for shedding some light on the reason why Christian societies -both in Nigeria and outside- are the most aggressive in their search for wealth.

However, tell me, was Jesus himself a wealthy man? how many men of God did the Bible -as distorted as it is - describe as wealthy such that they were known for their wealth?

Newnas:
now I know why Christians will do anything for money,

and the only righteous Christian is the wealthy Christian.

Now I know why owning a private jet is a sign of prophethood in Christianity even if those jets are used for smuggling ammunition.

Now I know why church services are the same monotonous dose of placebo giving people 'reasons' why they are poor.

Now, I have stopped wondering. thanks alot OP for shedding some light on the reason why Christian societies -both in Nigeria and outside- are the most aggressive in their search for wealth.

However, tell me, was Jesus himself a wealthy man?

how many men of God did the Bible -as distorted as it is - describe as wealthy such that they were known for their wealth?

the Bible - as distorted as it is -

An2elect2:
Are you minding the liar? He is a fal$e teacher, dont expect anything true from his lips.

Am i not a christian? Don't i know Christ? Only a fool will receive this crap as word of God

An2elect2:
Are you minding the liar? He is a fal$e teacher, dont expect anything true from his lips.

Am i not a christian? Don't i know Christ? Only a fool will receive this crap as word of God

nynbrada:


My sister, you may not agree with him, but the rigth thing to do is to counter his claims with superior scriptural arguement.
Rather than call him a false teacher and joining forces with an unbeliever to condem your brother in the Lord.

The same person you are joining forces with has accussed your Bible of being distorted, what do you have to say about that?

Moreso, the Bible is extravagantly adorned with scriptures on prosperity.
Maybe the only problem is the way it is being presented. Like..

1. If you are poor as a Christian, then something is wrong with you.

2. The prosperity preachers seems to glorify prosperity and riches more than salvation and holiness before the Lord.

So i'm of the view that they have to find a balance and also stop making it look like if you are a Christian and you are poor then something is wrong.

Stay blessed.

An2elect2:
That has been done severally on this forum but the dog will always return to its vomit I will not waste my time with the same people over and over again.

As for the poster i quoted i only sided with him based on his post on this thread. If at any time i see him speaking against the truth i'll do what is needed.

Lastly, Gombs is not my brother in the Lord. God forbid.

Kenny4lyfe:


I can't help but wonder how you feel when you call yourself a christian!

I sense a lot of anger and hate in your post.

Spewing trash and all...

You need help!

Gombs:


Down the line, because alot of Christians don't know God's financial principles, and after so long a time in churches, and giving, paying their tithes, making confessions etc, they end up broke or frustrated or both. They quickly blame Pastors for 'deceiving' them, or on a grand scale, they blame God, for not "picking their call.

Ok, fine, we've given in church, prayed, confessed, yet 'nothing'. It's still the same old story.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a christian to be poor, a christian can only be IGNORANT of his riches, because to be a christian, is to be in ONENESS with Jesus Christ, and therefore a joint-heir with Jesus. This is why describing a Christian as "poor" is a misnomer.

vooks:
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Gombs aka Amos Jack,
God hates divorce
Jesus taught us to look further than Moses; 'in the beginning'
Can we say that the only reason Christians divorce and separate from their spouses is IGNORANCE?

Gombs:


the ignorant ones will always wallow in their ignorance... But, if they're taught, they'd know better...but if after being taught, and they reject knowledge, then fine.

However, if you've been taught right, you'll think right, and the result of that is, you'll talk right. Moreover, when you talk right, you'll act right. When you talk right and act right, your life will turn out right.

If you must be poor, let it be your Choice, not being poor by the influences and circumstances of the elements of this world.

An2elect2:
That has been done severally on this forum but the dog will always return to its vomit I will not waste my time with the same people over and over again.

As for the poster i quoted i only sided with him based on his post on this thread. If at any time i see him speaking against the truth i'll do what is needed.

Lastly, Gombs is not my brother in the Lord. God forbid.

An2elect2:
That has been done severally on this forum but the dog will always return to its vomit I will not waste my time with the same people over and over again.

As for the poster i quoted i only sided with him based on his post on this thread. If at any time i see him speaking against the truth i'll do what is needed.

Lastly, Gombs is not my brother in the Lord. God forbid.

nynbrada:


Bro. Gombs, don't you think that a Christian that has done some of the afore mentioned things you talked about e.g, giving, praying and confessing the word of God and yet nothing seem to happen.

Don't you think the problem may lie in the fact that:

1. Active and revelatory knowledge of "faith" is not in place.

Because it is spiritually impossible to sow a seed financially and water those seeds with prayer and confession of the word by active faith and not get a result.

Like you know these spiritual principles/laws are more sure like any known law of physics.

So i personally believe that if any Christian had done the above things you talked about and yet no result, then it can be easily put down to poor conception and understanding of what naked and active faith is all about.

2. It could also be as a result of poor grasping of spiritual timing.
Seeing that many a time the preachers of prosperity makes it look like if you give now you will instantly reap whatever you have sown.

And these quick fix attitude being progagated by some of them pastors doesn't help the young Christians in understanding how to divinely wait for your seeds to germinate, grow and bear fruits.

Remember every seed grows at its own circle of growth. So there must be a place of divine timing and patience.

Heb 6:12 - That ye be not slotful, but followers of them who through FAITH AND PATIENCE INHERIT THE PROMISE.

Like you can see faith and patience[divine waiting and timing] is crucial if one wants to operate in this DIVINE ECONOMY.

My bro. You can now see and understand why a Christian may not appropiate some of his/her divine blessing that should come through the principle of giving and receiving.

Also note that when these two ingredients are not in place than a young Christian may start murmuring and complaining and hence start making the wrong confessions thereby invalidating the previous confessions of faith.

And these is like sowing a seed, watering it and going again to uproot the same seed and doing these over and over again, and still expects to reap a harvest from same seed. It is spiritually impossible.

I think this is where lots of folks will misunderstand you and hence see your write-up as heretical and i think we should tone down in the way we present these message.

And not make it look like - you cannot be poor as a Christian and if you are then something is wrong.

Even though i understand your drivel, yet we've got to tone down the way it is presently being served. Anything other than a mild presention in outlook will not suffice

My brother i've been blessed by this Op of yours and i hope God's children will in faith and humilty profit from it as well.
And not let all these dumb atheistard discourage them with their doomed Ahitophel counsel like comments.

Remain blessed.

Gombs:


the ignorant ones will always wallow in their ignorance... But, if they're taught, they'd know better...but if after being taught, and they reject knowledge, then fine.

However, if you've been taught right, you'll think right, and the result of that is, you'll talk right. Moreover, when you talk right, you'll act right. When you talk right and act right, your life will turn out right.

If you must be poor, let it be your Choice, not being poor by the influences and circumstances of the elements of this world.

malvisguy212:
you need to calm down lady.

Skako:
that means Jesus was poor bcs he did not obey God?

nynbrada:


vooks, i think it's high time you stopped taking a jibe at pastor Chris because of the unsavoury turn of event in his marital life.

It is a well known fact, that there are no couple that have not had a fair share of its own joy and pains as far as reationship is concerned.

Hence pastor Chris cannot be an exemption. He is human too!

Mind you he did'nt sue for the divorce. The wife did and of course she is entitled to her right.
Though i do not subscribe to the part of taking your spouse to court. That one is unscriptural.

Moreso, don't swallow hook, line and sinker every thing the fift estate had dished out concerning his divorce saga. Trust them to have embellished it with many unfounded and concorted lines.

That said, i know you may bear grudges with Pastor Chris for some of his teachings especially the masturbation stuff, which you may find unscriptural.

Nonetheless i'll counsel you keep an open mind where he is and not get easily worked up when you read or hear some stuff from him that may not align with your theological worldview.

As he might at the end of the day be right while you happen to be wrong or vice versa.

Please get this, pastor Chris is a genuine man of God, though some of his teachings may seem controversial or downright unscriptural.
These does not in anyway negate his status as a man of God. As he has never preached in anyway to point poeple away from Christ or God our father.

At times some of these percieved theological blunders are not deliberately designed to steer the children of God away from the truth but rather they happen to be his own mistakes and fallibility as human.

What i personally do is that i take the ones i'm convinced is scriptural and the other ones i do not deem fit i humbly discard.
That is why i have my Bible and like Paul said of the Berean Christians that "they went and searched the scriptures to see if those things were true"

So for the Op i'll like to know your personal take on it with scriptural position rather than attack the messenger.

God bless.

Gombs:



Hey bro!


Mind explaining?