omojeesu:


Beatings in oyinbo school? In history, yes but not in the last 100 years.

If they beat nko? It was not for religious reason. Does the beating it make it right? They saw it was child abuse and stopped! But you guys have continued!

Many of your comment are irrelevant to our discussion.

Thanks. Good night.

Terye:
Seriously? Women being naked is OK? You are kidding right?

You said cultures across the world, that tells you that Saudi Arabia is and exception to that. It's the only country you will go without Boobs and ass shamelessly displayed in public. The modesty and chastity of the women is still dia.
What are we even saying? Universities like University of Ilorin has her dress code which should be followed strictly. Offenders among students are liable to expulsion while visitors will not be allowed entrance to the school premises. Same goes with some other Universities too. And same applies to Saudi Arabia. The only option a person applying for admission or visiting University of Ilorin is to dress decently. You can get outside and walk naked for all it cares, but so long you are on campus, u abide by the rules and ways of the school. Same with Saudi Arabia.

And you said something about Saudi not allowing Europeans bring "anything" into there country.
Lemme let you know today that Saudi Arabia and the United States are close allies. If your own definition of "anything" is the naked ways of life. Then I guess even our own dear president won't allow it. U. S allows gay marriage, and neither Saudi Arabia nor Isreal allows such. It's not everything the West brings that we accepts bro.

To women in Saudi not driving.
I think I address thus before, Saudi is not like the western States, before a change can be made, they have to undergo a preparatory phase. And it has been working for them so far isn't it? I mean Majority of women dia don't work as only men do the working but there economy is still far better that us that both sex are working.. Lols. After the crane disaster in Mecca, the gave the victims 1 million Riyad, do you know how much that translates to in Naira? A whooping #90m. And to think they gave such to hundreds of people..

On the taking off of the Hijab.
Alhamdulilah some western countries are beginning to see that the Hijab is in fact part of the religion of a Muslim. Telling them to remove it is against the rules and ways of the western countries as a nun is allowed to be veiled as well.

I guess your Lord ask you to seeks the naked bodies too.. Lwkmd.

May Allah forgive me and you as well.

Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace

omojeesu:


You mean physical maturity? Is that enough reason to grab such not even a teenager and have carnal knowledge of her?

Does she understand the meaning of love or marriage? Can she deliver a baby successfully? I now see clearly why vesico vaginal rectal fistula will continue to be on the rise among Muslims. I also understand that there is no age limit to marriage in Islam (ref: MURIC Director, Sunday Punch 6th March 2016).

The girl child has come to suffer in Islam. I now also understand Boko Haram abductions of young girls and other abductions of young girls in the country (see today's Sunday Punch). Also the promise of virgins in Aljana to good Muslim men (what is in Islam for females now and hereafter?)

If the French man wrote that, did he justify s..e..x.. with minors?

I'm deeply sorry for females in Islam especially the poor, illiterate ones in villages. Western education has 'librated' some, though.

omojeesu:


Independent thinking, simple logic and common sense are not tolerated in Islam.

You MUST accept what is handed down whether you like it or not. Whether it makes sense or not. The Yoruba call the 'Imo lile': 'know by force'. Beatings
are common in kindergarten koranic schools.

Islam does not mean peace. It means SUBMISSION to the will of Allah!

abbey621:


Everything you've said is nonsense, there was a guy that argued similarly to you but the difference between you and him is that he actually provided a few facts. All you know how to do is spew trash, you can't even back up your point eloquently, guy abeg go sleep!

Mindfulness:


No, I am absolutely serious.



Why should anyone be ashamed of their body? What is natural about it?

And it is no wonder that Westerners have issues with immigrants from Muslim countries who behave like animals on the sight of a woman's body whereas men who are used to seeing the curves of a woman on a daily basis do not get aroused and disrespectful like a wild animal. It is no wonder that Western women feel threatened by those immigrants who were trained to see a woman's body as an invitation to harass her. This is how sick it is when people grow up believing that their God given bodies are something to be ashamed of.



Read carefully. They are not allowed to bring in anything religious and yet Muslims want their mosques in America and Europe.



Is the law not a result of a religion that treats women like second class citizens?

Were you not the one telling me to read about Saudi Arabia? I think it is you who needs to do the reading.
First of all, I do not see how it is an achievement that most women do not work there since it means that the financial power, potential and capacity is with the men leaving women at their mercy. Secondly, a job means fulfillment to many people - it may come as a surprise to you but also to women - who have other ambitions as well than raising a family.. Careers offer the opportunity to explore one's talents, to contribute and to receive appreciation. Thirdly, the unemployment rate in Saudi Arabia is officially at 10% but it is assumed that it is de facto at about 20%. And even though the country is very wealthy due to its oil resources, there are millions of families who live below the poverty line.




What a nonsense? They have seen it as part of the Muslim religion for a long time now. And since Western women have to cover up in Saudi Arabia, why shouldn't women be asked to take down their Hijab in Western countries? Answer the question and stop diverting. You said that people must behave like Romans when they go to Rome. AreMuslims suddenly excluded from this "obligation"?



My God sees nothing wrong with his Creations - unlike yours.



Speak for yourself. I don't need your prayers.



It is.

Mindfulness:


True!

It is understandable though since the religion is much younger than most other religions, they have not been through the Age of Enlightenment yet.

abbey621:


Show me the verse in the Quran that points to Aisha's exact age at the time of marriage to the prophet? I'm going to start using your own words against you since people like you like mixing sentiments with facts!

Terye:
If you really meant that there is nothing wrong in women or even human being walking naked, then I guess you need help.. (not offensive pls).

Maybe I should give u some statistics about this "western countries" you speak so highly of. An average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault occur each year.

Here's the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)--there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year. There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So,
31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds. Is this what you call liberation?? Smh

(reference : U.S. Department of Justice. National Crime
Victimization Survey. 2009-2013.)

Also in the U. K
According to a news report on BBC One presented on 12
November 2007, there were 85,000 women raped in the UK
in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day.

(reference : Easton, Mark (2008-07-09). "Rape: A complex
crime" . BBC. Retrieved 2010-12-31)

And I can give you the whole of the West. Lols.

Even in Nigeria
In a 2013 poll of 585 randomly selected adults from six
Nigerian geopolitical zones by NOI Polls, 34% answered
'What do you think is the most prevalent cause of rape in
the society?' with 'indecent dressing'.

(reference : Noi-polls.com. Retrieved 2013-12-03)

And CORRECTION
A Muslim woman is not ashamed of her body, rather she values it rather than be exploited for it. Women in the West that you speak so highly of have been degraded to the extent that they are used to sell a car, even a chocolate box. Smh. You see adverts of chocolates with an naked lady on the display. Even a car. A Muslim women is to be judged by her intellect not by how short her skirt is. It's so heartbreaking to see teens loose there self esteem, looking at this magazines thinking they have to look like what they see, not realizing they are worth more that just a 2D image on a screen.

But you can call me unrealistic, but lemme give you another statistic, 7 in 10 men view porn while over 75million are addicted, 68million request a day for ponographic pictures making 1 in 4 searches sexually related. It's a shame that we've subdue to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued.

And to the mosque in the West,
I guess you haven't seen the new grand mosque just commissioned in Russia.. Also, We have Christians also living in Saudi don't we? , so long they will abide by the rules of the land. No rule of a western country that I know says a Muslim shouldn't practise her religion. Same with Saudi. Also, Saudi is a monarchical system of government.

Bro, one of the biggest mosques in the world now is located in the West. West has Muslims living dia already, same with countries like UAE, DUBAI, QATAR having Christians living dia. Islam is well part of any country so long a Muslim doesn't violate the rules of the state she found her self. I came across a picture recently of a Muslim U. S citizen using the American flag as her Hijab. How cute is that? Lols.. Saudi won't forbid Christians from entering there territory, U. S secretary of state John Kerry visits the country everytime and he is given a rousing welcome. Also, so the Queen of England. But you just have to abide by there rules. That is the rule of the land. Abide or don't go.

And to your statistics about the unemployment rate, pls now compare it to our beloved country, Nigeria. Lols.

And if you think the Islamic law treats women like second class citizen, the take a trip to countries like Oman, Qatar, Dubai e. t. c. Thank me later.

To Muslim woman been asked to take off her Hijab
I have addressed this so many times, it is not possible to do that, cuz if that is the case, a nun sister will also not be able to go to the west without there head covered. So, it affect both religions.

Women are the most treasured of the creations of Allah, ask a Muslim women around you. Allah orders men to lower dia gaze while women are told to cover up. This is to prevent promiscuity from either sides. Learn about Islam from the right source bro. Don't just base your views on the headlines on CNN or NTA. Hhahahahhhahahah..

And to "women at the mercy of men", pls visit any hospital in mecca and tell me the population of women doctors and physicians as compare to men. Lol.

Pls read what I told you to read, trust me, it will really help you.

Peace unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace

Terye:
Lols.. The religion is younger? Islam is the continuation of the tauheed preached by Jesus(May the blessing and salutations of Allah be upon him). It's not a new religion at all. And if by enlightenment, you mean, bin Americanised, then I guess I prefer or WE PREFER to be unenlightened. Lols. But If by enlightenment, you mean education, then I will ask you to look at the list of all the Vice chancellors of reputable Universities all over the country. You can thank me later.

egobetatoday:


it is a well known fact that aisha was a child at marriage. Aisha was born in the yr 613/614AD and died aged 64 in the yr 678 ( 678 -614 = 64 yrs).she was bethroted to Mohammed by the yr 619AD, the marriage latter consummated in intimacy by 622 ('Mr scholar' that gives 9 yrs abi...622-613 = 9yrs). Ayesha was the only virgin married by your prophet mohammed, others were slaves, booties of war or widows lol, 11 of them in all, woww. Ayeesha/Ayisha was only 18yrs old when Mohammed died in the yr 632AD, was born in the yr 570 AD (632 - 622 = 10 yrs. They were actually married for only 9yrs , the difference being in months). she was reported to say in the hadith (the hadith is a source of guidance to the muslims, the quran is the verbatim instructions of allah to mohammed) :
"The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani- al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234} . SHE SAID IT HERSELF OOO, LIAR!

ANOTHER EVIDENCE: Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 ; see also Numbers 65 and 88). Others are evidence to thd fact yhat she wss 6/9 yrs are:
(Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309 ; see also 3310),
(Sunan Abu Dawud , Number 2116),
(Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 41, Number 4915 )

other prominent muslims who lived and worked with mohmmmed also documented same. i know you want to help Mohammed justify his love for children but you cant. There are other instances where he was interested in children like Ummul fadl. He was reported to have said if he is still alive when she grows up he will marry her... 'the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her .' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan ibn al-Aswad ibn Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab… (Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah). well, i just had to help you know how 'scholarly' u have been in the quran. In my research i found out so many disgusting truths about your prophet too. they are in my archives anyway, will dish them out as long as u people keep claiming 'peaceful'. This discussion was meant for you to see that the muslims who behave the way they do have a 'good' example in your prophet mohammed. it wasnt meant to tarnish the image of islam or to convert you. You have alot of work in your hands now, remain in islam but try to correct the evils the muslims commit especially on non muslims. No body will find time to go to the quran and hadith if the muslims dont wrong people of other religion. For all we care you can worship a demon if you like! I dont want to hear from you again because obviously u are dull and u think other people are too. this is the information age not stone age. get yourself acquainted with facts before arguing SO THAT U WONT LOOK LIKE A FOOL.

Mindfulness:


How did you come to the conclusion that Enlightenment is Americanization?

Mindfulness:


Who was speaking about walking around completely nak.ed in the first place?
And even if I were (though I was not because the world does not entirely consist of extremes), then what would be wrong about it?



First of all, the numbers say nothing. Rape also occurs in countries where women wear burkas. There is no clear correlation between clothing and the rate of rape else hot European countries / states where women dress lightly would have higher rape rates.



It was you who claimed that women are shameless to expose their "boobs". A Muslim woman will be judged by her intellect? If her intellect is all that matters, why not give her the freedom to wear whatever she chooses when looks are irrelevant?

Some women want to be judged by their intellect and others want to parade their bodies. To each their own. This is the freedom you people struggle to accept.




So? Let them watch porn 24/7. How is it your problem?



The rules of the country are dictated by Islam so Christian and other minorities have to play by the rules of a belief system that is not theirs and people do not even have the freedom to criticize these rules without punishment.



Nothing new.



What has it got do with religion now? There are no Muslims in Nigeria?



More often than not it does. And I guess you have been to all the countries mentioned, right?



I have no problem with that. I do not favor any religion over the other. They are all outdated and illogical.



This is what Muslims often say but the reality looks different. Don't worry, one of my best friends is a Muslim. Her brothers were free to do whatever, she was not.



You are contradicting yourself. You were the one who said that most women in Saudi Arabia do not work.



I don't need help. I just enjoy questioning archaic belief systems, which people adopt without using their brains because their families told them to.

Terye:

You surely would love to see the world go naked won't you? Lolz. God forbids sha.

On the numbers? Did you even read them? Cuz I doubt u did. If you do, you would have understood that there is a strong correlation between rate of rape with the mode of dressing and I took Nigeria as a case study. I can give you the whole statistics of the rape cases in the whole of Europe but it would be of no use, you will still find something else to say.
Dressing less doesn't translate to dressing indecently.

And you say dia are rape cases in countries of burka
Seems you are now getting my point. The rape case of such countries is near 0 cuz they still got morality. Compare to your "Almighty western States".

And to the choice to uncover
Islam doesn't force any woman to cover or do any act, I mean, so many Muslims in the West as well as Nigeria do not cover. But that doesn't mean that they will work about half naked in the name of "enlightenment".. And I think I have figured out your problem, you are taking Saudi Arabia as the symbol of a Muslim. See, Qatar, Oman, Indonesia etc are also islamic countries and that doesn't mean they are symbols of Islam too. What Saudi is doing is her rules and law, same way every nation in the world has rules and law.

And it's true some Muslimah wants to parade dia body.
But its OK, you can go to "the West" or better still come to Nigeria and do that. You are free. But, a person won't go to a and knowing there rules and deliberately violate it and expect not to be punished, even in Nigeria. Lols. They have dia law and tradition, the same way a person cant come to Nigeria and start having gay marriages. If you want to have gay marriages, you go to "the west" or is it "your west"? Lemme ask you, was the gay marriage law based on religion? Ofcuz not, it's pure common sense. But I guess you think otherwise.. Lols..

And to the porn, I guess you are not a student of human biology or biochemistry. So it's fair for me not to comment on that, and I will just pretend you didn't just say that. Lols

And to Christians playing by the rules.
See, even a Muslim woman who doesn't cover before will have to cover up when going to Saudi Arabia.. It's not about Christianity alone. Get your fact straight next time.

And you talked about criticising rules.
Will you criticise Nigerian rule forbidding same sex marriage?

And about me being to those countries
Lols. I pray I will, though have been to a few , especially Saudi Arabia and Dubai. And have read so much about all other countries mentioned.

And to your friend not free to do what she wants
If by "what she wants" you mean being half naked, I guess am happy for her. Moreover, no one is forcing her not to in Nigeria na. Abi?

To the women working
My point is, the few of them working are the best in what they do. Try read a book pls.

And finally to the "archaic" believe system
See, I don't know about any other religion but Islam permits us to use our brains. I mean, why will God create us with the most advance thinking faculty any ways? lols
Common sense tells that even in the animal kingdom, same sex mating is not done. But I guess the common sense in the animal world is scarce in the Human world. Lols. Even scientifically, the body should be covered to prevent external bodies. (NB: am in no way insinuating that an animal is wiser than you pls) Even a young child once he/she reaches a certain age would not want to be bathed by the opposite gender. Lols. This the the common sense am talking about. I mean if a young child should know that the private body I'd not to be seen by outside world, then what about the adults? I guess common sense decreases with age?? Lolz

I would have used the Quran to justify my points but I prefer the logic. This clearly tells you that Islam allows the use of logical reasoning.

Please read a book urgently

Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace.

Terye:
Don't be in a hurry to comment, check the post very well and you will see that dia is a question mark "?" in front of my post.

Question mark symbolises a question bin ask.. #JesTeachingInCaseYou DontKnow

Mindfulness:


God is allowing it because it is already happening. Welcome to the 21st century.
But some extremists claim that they need to fight God's war because the Almighty can't take care of the world the Almighty created.




You must be kidding. There is no correlation between dressing and the number of rapes. I have done my research recently.
Boy, you need to travel more. Go to hot European countries and see how people dress there and then check the number of rapes.
And your numbers prove nothing, absolutely nothing.

You have cited some loose numbers for the UK and the US without any context.
Do a thorough research instead of supporting your belief system blindly.




In such countries women are too afraid and too ashamed to even report rape and the whole world knows it. Stop deceiving yourself. Why? Because a Muslim woman's value is determined by her hymen or the lack of it. Welcome to the religion of peace who considers human beings dirty for having had sex even if it was forced.



Do they operate on Sharia law? Yes or no? Is it the law of Islam? Yes or no?
Have Arabs not been killing each other for more than a 1000 years in the name of Islam? Yes or no? Religion of peace, indeed.



Fortunately they know better than to mix laws with religious beliefs. This is Enlightenment. They rely on reason and sense and not on a person who died more than a 1000 years ago.



Your choice.



Irrelevant.



What has it got to do with the topic in question?



Not enough, obviously since you were thinking that the economy in Saudi Arabia is better than in the entire Western world.



Cheap diversion tactics. The point is that Muslim men enjoy many more privileges than Muslim women and everybody knows it. It



First you said that most women in Saudi Arabia are not working When I gave reasons why it is nothing to be proud of, you said that there are so many female doctors in Saudi Arabia. When I pointed out that you are contradicting yourself, you are claiming that it is about the quality of their work. Can you see how little sense your line of argument makes? Never mind, this is what happens when you use religion to make a point.



Funny enough, your covering of the female body is not limited to her private body parts. They have to cover EVERYTHING, at times, even their faces. And why would a woman cover her hair? Is it something to be ashamed of?



Religions and critical thinking are almost mutually exclusive.



Says someone who doesn't know how to make use of statistics to buttress his points.

Mindfulness:


Let me re-state my question. What made you think that I could mean Americanization when I said Enlightenment?
And you were telling me to read a book.

Terye:
Lols. If you think God is allowing it cus it is already happening and you still not see my analogy of the same sex marriage, then I guess you are been bias. Will you say God allows same-sex marriage too? You really need to live in the real world not under a rock.

You really think there is no correlation between the dressing and number of rapes? See I jes gave the reference of a study carry out in ur backyard Nigeria and you still don't think that is relevant? Ah. This is serious oooo
And if you can give me the statistics of the "hot" European countries and the rape cases dia the same way I gave mine, I will so much appreciate it. Cus the Europe I know, even the rape is more frequent during the summer than any other periods. I guess you have to do another "research" cuz obviously the one you did is nothing to be proud of. Lols

And you shifted to saying that a Muslim woman is valued by her hymen?
Lols.. That is LAME a point as it can be. SO LAME. ahahahahahahaha.. Can't stop laughing. Smh. Pls bring a better point. Lwkmd..

And to Arabs killing each other.
IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC

MR. ENLIGHTENMENT, I guess ur "sense" told you that women walking about half naked is OK for the society. Lols. Even Animals have more shame..

And I did not compare the economy of Saudi with the world, I asked you to compare it with Nigeria which you did not. Instead, you are busy studying how hymen is been taking from a Muslim woman.. Lols

And to the privileges
I guess you have to read a book about Islam urgently.

And to Saudi women working.
Am sure you understood what I meant. If you don't, lemme tell you for the sake of Jihad.
A few Saudi women do work and they are usually the best in what they do. I was opportune to visit Islamic University of Madina and I was shocked rate at which ladies study dia. Even more than have seen here. Most Saudi women choose to stay at home voluntarily not by force. I only cited the hospital to tell you that Saudi women are the best in what they do. And even with the few of them working, there economy is still better than a state like Nigeria.

And to the covering,
They do not have to cover everything, they are to cover and preserve dia BEAUTY for dia husbands. By Beauty I mean, anything that can attract the opposite gender. Be it hair or "curves". But, a Niqob (face covering) is prescribed for a lady that is incredibly attractive. However, she might choose not to wear one.

And to me not able to buttress my point with stat. Atleast u understood me to the extent that you can say "I was not able to buttress it well". Lolz

Terye:
isn't it obvious?? Lwkmd.. You Enlightenment is based on women walking about unclad isn't it? Lmao. Abeg no kill me with laughter abeg.

Peace be unto you to the ultimate meaning of peace

Terye:
God created us perfectly, I mean, dia is no camera in this world that can come close to the human eye neither is dia any computer that can compete alongside the human mind. Allah even said we are the best of his creations.
But we humans decide to modify ourselves. Forgetting to Allah is our return one day. Hmmnnn.

Bravo, am really impressed. You have now successfully opted out of just "verbal gymnastics" and produce some few quotes. Nice job

However,
1. Your statistics about the Spain is wrong. According to the European Union, One in five Spanish women
victim of sexual assault READ HERE http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-main-results-apr14_en.pdf

2. You mentioned Italy been small, pls check the prostitution rate of this country and thank me later. It's logical to think that Countries with high rate of prostitution would record less sexual assault obviously. Even in Nigeria, areas close to brothels records usually less cases of sexual harassment. So, there is not point in the Italy thing.

3. Some studies have shown that provocative dress
can have an affect on the likelihood of sexual assault. Read
Synovitz LB, Byrne TJ., J Am Coll Health. Jan;46(4):151-8 (1998) [AM SURE YOU WON'T EVEN BOTHER CHECKING THE REFERENCES] Smh

Also,

Workman JE, Freeburg EW., Sex Roles, Volume 41, Numbers 3-4, 261-277 (1995) States that in part that the way a woman choose to dress is sometimes taken as a statement about her character including vulnerability, desire and/or willingness to have sex and provocation of males which consequently affects the likelihood of rape, including date rape.

And instead of asking women to hide their bodies, ask men to respect a NO!
NO one can force anyone to wear anything. Most of women that wear Hijab in the west and even in Nigeria choose to wear it by choice . In Saudi, the case is different, it's the rule of the land. Abide or don't go.. Simple. Also,
If a woman is free to work unclad, why is she not free to cover it? HYPOCRISY!!!

pls only say what you know something about. I advice you to spend more of your time on better things rather than studying girls having hymen surgeries. Advice ni ooo.. Lwkmd..

Like I said before, talk what you know something about. Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] is not the topic. If you want a whole lesson on his life. I recommend the same book I recommended to the guy before.

You and this your Unclad bodies ehn. Lwkm. It's even against the culture of Nigerians to work unclad. And about beauty, it's a pity we have subdued to our definition of beauty which is so misconstrued.

NO way am I insinuating that. What am saying is that in a country that mostly men do the working and to think they still have a better economy than ours is to show you that they don't really give a damn about women not working cuz they are doing just fine.

Now your problem is clear, you don't read. You waste so much time checking Unclad girls on the beach of "is it Korea or what country did you even call it?" and checking the numbers of girls having hymen REMOVED and fixed. Lols.. Time na money bro. I advice you use it wisely.

You should know that I don't just vomit trash. I speak with references. If you want the reference, you ask for it. Am not given it out anyhow again like before cuz it's obvious you not even checking them out.

Lols.. You call it insecure, and you really think we hide them?. See, nearly all the female medical doctors in Saudi Arabia are veiled and the are not "hidden" like you said. Even I Nigeria, we have Muslim female professors and doctors. Even our first lady, is she hidden too? Lols. Bro, Please you really need to read BOOKSSSSSSSSSSS. Not a book again. Lols. Your thinking is far too lame. [no offense meant]

Mindfulness:


God made us perfect but we modify ourselves to be imperfect even though we were created perfect? So the so perfect beings have the ability to be be imperfect? The statement does not make any sense at all. I am not surprised. Christians and Muslims both think like this and it has nothing to do with simple logic because a perfect being can't be imperfect and a perfect being would not make imperfect and "improper" decisions. I didn't say we modify ourselves to be imperfect, rather I say we modify ourselves to our own definition of "perfection" e. g walking naked, homosexuality e. t. c. which is so misconstrued.
And about the decisions we make, I hereby present to you THE QUR'AN. A book which will guide your way of life. A book that thought us that even in the animal kingdom, Sodomy is not practised.



Quote the according passages instead of expecting me to go through the entire material. I have no time for this.
Until then your points remain invalid.
[You have to PLEASE READ THE FULL WORK to be able to better comprehend what it's saying] And why are you not willing to read what is beneficial to your life when you can dedicate so much time to read the biology of women hymen. Lols.. Funny dude.



So what if there is prostitution? There is also prostitution in Spain and Greece and even in Nigeria. So how does it prove that a woman's clothes are the reason for her being raped? Did you think you made sense now?
lols. Na you use your hand condemn the stat you shared. Lols. And to the clothing, I quoted enough books and am tired of quoting. Lmao


Again, quote the passages you are referring to until then your point remains invalid.
you have to promise you will read em cus I can't waste so much time given the reference when you obviously won't read
And again, why does a burka not prevent men from raping women?
I gave the references on this before

Moreover, why do you ask women to cover their God given bodies instead of asking men to exercise self-control?
Only a sick person will rape a woman and sick people should not dictate people how to behave or how to dress.

Seems you not following me at all. In Islam, men are ordered to lower dia gaze while women are also ordered to cover up. That is why the punishment for rape is so severe because after all this measures have been carried out, yet a rape crime still took place, then he/she is indeed a bad person. I also give an analogy of a kid not allowing the opposite gender to bath him/her when he reaches certain age. This is to show you that God created to know that our body is a sacred entity that should be guide and guarded everytime. I wouldn't have to explain this if you are not too arrogant to pickup a book and read.



Again:

Clothing has nothing to do with rape, expert says

How a woman dresses is not a contributing factor to rape, criminologist Associate Professor Dr P. Sundramoorthy said, as furore rages over a Friday sermon by the Selangor religious authorities that blamed rape on women's dressing.

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Prominent rape cases in the past have shown that the victims were not dressed scantily. One high-profile case in 2000 involved 24-year-old engineer Noor Suzaily Mukhtar. She was raped and killed by the driver of the bus she was on. She was wearing a long skirt and a tudung (headscarf), which the rapist used to strangle her. Nurul Huda Ghani, 10, was kidnapped, gang raped, sodomised and strangled to death in 2004. Her naked body was found in the guardhouse of a Tenaga Nasional Berhad substation in Kampung Pekajang, in Johor Baru.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/clothing-has-nothing-to-do-with-rape-expert-says#sthash.tt35GehQ.dpuf

Do your research properly.



They are free to wear Hijabs in non-Muslim countries.
The problem is that non-Muslim women are not free not to wear a Hijab in some Muslim countries and that many Muslim men who are not used to seeing women dressed in a light way behave like animals.
pls state the Muslim States you have being before making such assumptions. May be I can use that Country as case study. And to refugees acting like "animals", I won't blame them you know, they are only being human.


What I spend my time with is none of your business. You said that Muslim women are judged by their intellect and now you struggle to prove this point? Why do so many Muslim girls have surgeries to repay their hymen if they are judged by their intellect and not the condition of their body? Simple question.

Lols. I would have asked you provide reference to that but am not allowed to read such. And if you spend so much time in studying female hymen biology, I will advice you stop that ASAP. Also, if you know any Muslim female doing the "surgeries" tell her the Prophet said it's not allowed in Islam. Thank you. The Prophet loved and married Khadijah despite her being a widow.

But hey, a man can officially mess up to four wives but a woman is considered dirty when she loses her virginity before she marries? And you speak of hypocrisy?
for God sake what book are you reading that is telling you all this? For your info, all except one of the wife's of the Prophet were either ex divorcees (in case you don't know, an ex divorcee can not be a virgin) or Widows. Nobody calls a woman dirty cuz she looses her virginity, pls read a book.


No, thank you. I know enough about him. Religion of Peace indeed.
How many wives did he marry?
Was he not an illiterate too?

Lols. We don't shy away from the fact that our beloved Prophet was an illiterate, instead, we derive lessons from it. Lessons that even you that you are literate, you are not even able to change your way of reasoning not to talk of changing the world. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), despite bin an illiterate was ranked the most influential human being on planet earth in Michael Hart most influential people in the entire world. (I advise you read that book too). Also, to his marital relations, I won't dwell to much on that, pls read the book prescribed before.


Who said people should work un.clad?
The ideal of beauty has been changing over time and will continue to do so. The most natural process is the process of change, which you religious folks struggle to accept.
the change in the idea of beauty is the major problem. Ask your mum, during her time, was rape and other sexual crimes as rampant as this? Tell me her reply pls. Women then are seen as treasures rather than sex objects, that is why the older generation can produce worthy females that are capable to achieve. Women like Fatima Al-Fihri, Rofaydah Al-Islamiyah e. t. c. Human being are compelled to change but that doesn't mean we shouldn't use our senses too, I mean would you say because we have changed, we should start same sex marriage? Even it's not done in the animal world.


Their economy has nothing to do with women working or not working.
Really? You are kidding right? It's a shame you won't even read if I give the references.. Smh


I enjoy the beauty of God's Creations. You can continue feeling ashamed of your body and tell your daughters to do the same.
God created humans perfect so let them hide their perfection because the perfect male Creation is so imperfect that they do not know how to control themselves.
I won't tell my daughter to be ashamed of herself, rather I will urge to value it rather than being exploited for it. I want her to be seen as human being not as a sexual object. And I strongly recommend you do the same to you daughter too.

I was at a cafe last week sipin my tea and reading the papers when a girl dressed like YOUR PEOPLE (half clad) walked pass. The guy beside me whom I dont even know lean towards me and whispered "look at that ass". Now tell me, is this the kinda "beauty" you are talking about? She was seen as a mere sexual entity. Pls wake up bro. ..




You struggle, mehn.
made no sense


When you are not showing them and telling them to cover themselves to the point that they are unrecognizable, what is it if not hiding?
Like I said earlier bro, you really have to read a book, wearing the Niqob (face covering) is not compulsory in Islam. Take a look at your first lady, is she not a Muslim woman, pls look around you before you make baseless claims.. Abi she is hidden too? Smh. You really need to read bro.

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http://tribuneonlineng.com/falana-calls-on-fg-to-rescue-another-14-year-old-girl