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Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:08am On Apr 15, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Suggested answer https://carm.org/who-has-performed-greatest-act-love-yahweh-or-allah |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:05pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Who has performed the greatest act of love? Yahweh or Allah To be continued... |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by analice107: 9:19pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Allah and acts of love? Hmm. Let me see. OK ok ok. I remember. The 72virgins in Heaven. Did I try? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:49am On Apr 29, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: If Islam is true . . . If Islam is true and Allah is the true God, then Jesus, a creation (according to Islam) has performed a greater act of love than Allah (according to the Bible). A mere man has outdone Allah in love and sacrifice. But, of course, Islam denies that Jesus ever died. They then say that Jesus has not done the greatest act of love. Their denial does not change the fact that Jesus died on the cross as is amply attested to by the eyewitnesses who wrote the gospel. Besides, whether or not the Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross does not change the fact that Jesus told us what the greatest act of love was--and Allah has not done it. Yet, according to Christianity He has. Since Muslims want Christians to adopt Islam, they are asking Christians to give up their Lord who has performed the greatest act of love on their behalf. Why would they want to do that? If Christianity is true, then God has performed the greatest act of love. If Islam is true, then God hasn't. Which "god" then is more loving: the one who speaks of love or the one who acts out love? I have found nowhere in the Qur'an where it says that Allah is love. The Qur'an says that Allah loves people, but it never says that Allah is love. By contrast, the Bible clearly tells us that God is love. "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him," (1 John 4:16). |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:33pm On May 04, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Who does God love? Does God love all? In Islam, the answer is no. In Christianity, the answer is yes. Consider the following verses from the Qur'an. "Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith," (2:98, Trans. Yusuf Ali) "Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers," 3:32, Trans. Shakir). Consider the following verses from the Bible "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16). "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbour, and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 "And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect," (Matt. 5:43-48). We can easily see the huge difference between the God of Islam and the God of the Bible. In Islam, God does not love all people. In the Bible, God does love all people. In Islam, Allah did not die for the sins of those who were not his. In the Bible, God did do that. In Islam, Allah has not performed the greatest act of love. In the Bible, God did exactly that. My question to the Muslims is: "What makes you think that I want to give up my Lord, who loves me so much that He would die for me and did die for me, for a god who has not and cannot perform the greatest act of love? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:18am On May 14, 2016 |
analice107: Good job! 1 Like
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Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by analice107: 11:25am On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:Thank you, thank you very much. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by tartar9(m): 10:16pm On May 14, 2016 |
lmao Your god's Greatest act of love would qualify as the Greatest act of injustice in the sight of Allah(SWT).Won't blame you thou,that's the sort of 'love' you could expect from serving a tyrant |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:32pm On May 17, 2016 |
analice107: You are welcome, anytime. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:04pm On May 18, 2016 |
tartar9: What is your god's greatest act of love? Tell us if you know it? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:33pm On Jun 15, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 2:08pm On Dec 31, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:He sent Jesus to die for us |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:54am On Jan 01, 2017 |
Junia: That is true sacrificial love. Hallelujah! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 3:04am On Jan 01, 2017 |
Yahweh is far more evil. Wiped off almost an entirely race, and I'm sure the retribution did not end there, those people would likely go to hell to continue serving yahweh's punishment. Yahweh has made the word "sadist" lose its essence. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:17am On Jan 01, 2017 |
NinjaX: Do you believe Yahweh exists? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 3:25am On Jan 01, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: So you will say it's unreasonable to criticise a nonexistent entity? Lol. So predictable. Appraising yahweh does not make him real anymore than talking about Thor makes him real. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:35am On Jan 01, 2017 |
NinjaX: Is it possible to hate fictional characters that does not exist? 1 Share
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Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 6:51am On Jan 01, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: What do I call the fallacy you just committed? Each time yahweh is subjected to logical scrutiny and a flaw is found in his character, he suddenly doesn't exist because he couldn't have possessed such attributes. When the coin is flipped the other side, then of course yahweh truly exist as proven in his goodness and mercifulness towards humanity. Yahweh only exist when praises are heaped on him. Otherwise he doesn't exist. So do you like the Keeper in Legend of The Seeker because he does n't exist? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:30am On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: Do you believe in the laws of logic, nature and morality? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 8:30am On Jan 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: Why are you just quoting me today? You finally found your resolve? I believe in the laws of logic and nature, but morality is subjective you know? And what has that got to do with anything? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 11:23am On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: He still showed dat He loves them that was y Jesus died Little did you know that Jesus preached to the people in Hell .. He is a righteous judge .. He wants everybody to hear about Him so that they wouldnt have an excuse of not knowing Him when He is judging |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 12:36pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Junia: The death of Jesus is a contradiction. Contradiction have no place in reality. How about those who died before Jesus was born? Does that mean they would miss heaven? And why can't God undo a damage without demanding a ransom in return? Jesus was innocent, why did God drag him into our mess? What the cunting _fuck kind of sadistic game is this? I'm sick and tired of god. He preached to those in hell? So you are saying people are already in hell? And will that be of any help? Love, love, love, love. God loves me. He loves you. He loves us. He is compassionate, loving, filled with compassion, filled with love. He loves the world. He loves humans. He loves everybody. He is love. God is love. But he would throw us into a furnace of burning sulphur, where we would scream, wail, cry forever... If we don't obey him. Only a psychopath would do that. God is a malevolent brute, a beast, a sadist with a perpetual scowl, a bully, a big jerk, a trouble maker, a bleeped up relentless _fucker, a twisted pervert, and for all these, he should be held behind formidable bars. Flee from god. God hates you. He doesn't love you. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 1:35pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: Just stay in that ignorance nd see wah il happen to u wen die ... God loves everyone but He hates sin And when u sin ... u deserve punishment Jesus took that punishment in hell And almost all of the people He preached to in hell will receive Him |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Junia: That's a mountainous lie sir. God does not hate sin. In fact, he categorically stated that he created evil. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Do you agree that God created everything in the universe? When you sin, you deserve punishment. If you steal and get caught, be ready to face the penalty theft attracts. Quite alright. Amazingly, in God's world, it does not work that way. God's manner of punishment is arbitrary and irrational. He dishes punishment at random (e.g when unborn kids die) and to his twisted pleasure (when children are born with disabilities aka blind bartimaeus) and unreasonably ( when others have to receive the punishment of sins committed by other people aka passing blame of fathers to their children). Can the force of madness be stronger than that?
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Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 2:39pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: You must understand the scipture There is no God beside Jehovah. There is nothing done without him. He makes peace, put here for all good; and creates evil, not the evil of sin, but the evil of punishment. He is the Author of all that is true, holy, good, or happy; and evil, error, and misery, came into the world by his permission, through the wilful apostacy of his creatures, but are restrained and overruled to his righteous purpose. God hates sin because He is holy; holiness is the most exalted of all His attributes ( Isaiah 6:3 ; Revelation 6:8 ). God hates sin because it opposes His very nature and is the work of the devil (John 8:44 ). God describes sin as wounds and bruises (Isaiah 1:6 ), as a burden (Psalm 38:4 ), as something that defiles (Titus 1:15 ), a heavy debt (Matthew 6:12-15 ), a stain (Isaiah 1:18 ), and as darkness (1 John 1:6 ). God again hates sin for the simple reason that sin separates us from Him: “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2) |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 3:57pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
Junia: Nonsense. Are we gonna argue literature now? Lol. Your argument is faulty. More often than not, theists, pastors, christian apologists tell people that they lack a good understanding of the bible whenever their thoughts is not aligned in delusion with the thought of whom they are having a dispute with (usually atheists/deists). Pray tell, is the bible now a literary work? When I read shakespeare hardcopy, the complex version (not simplified version), there's usually an index to explain certain words and phrases. If the bible was intented to be a classic piece of literature in grand and scale, then the writers should have replicated same as explained above (by adding an index). But I think it's pretty ridiculous for an history book to be written in such style. It would be too jumbled up and difficult to grasp. God creates evil for certain reasons? Why wasn't the quoted verse explained further to give readers more insight as to the idea about it all? This is some serîous shît. Little wonder christians can't pass God's exam. They sin today, ask for forgiveness, sin tomorrow, ask for forgiveness, sin again next tomorrow....... And on and on it goes. Even Further Mathetimatics is not complicated like this. There are intellectuals who are masters when it comes to Furthemath. As regards christianity, who has ever passed God's exam? Who? No not one. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: Hehe There is no need to argue on this With this understanding .. u may interpretate other scriptures wrongly .. Buh nvm End of arguement Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil ? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). (2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” ( Isaiah 45:9 ). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:26pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: I find it convenient to quote you today because I feel its the right time. If you truly believe in the laws of logic and nature then how do you account for its existence and properties? Do you believe laws of logic are universal? If so why do you think it is so? If you believe the laws of morality (subjective as you call it) are just what brings most happiness to the most people, then why would it be wrong to murder just one innocent person if it happened to make everyone else a lot happier? And if you happen to believe that the laws of morality are just adopted social customs, then why do you think what Hitler did was wrong? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 5:27pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:Cool. If you truly believe in the laws of logic and nature then how do you account for its existence and properties? Do you believe laws of logic are universal? If so why do you think it is so? If you believe the laws of morality (subjective as you call it) are just what brings most happiness to the most people, then why would it be wrong to murder just one innocent person if it happened to make everyone else a lot happier? And if you happen to believe that the laws of morality are just adopted social customs, then why do you think what Hitler did was wrong? Lol. You are widening the scope of the discourse bit by bit. Rest assured I will only address questions which bear relevance. Drawing conclusion that something is right because it's supported by the majority is wrong. The majority is not the voice of truth. It's just some bunch of elements suffering a strange mental illness. Except he volunteers. I think murdering an innocent person in order to please a large number of people is wrong on all levels. On what basis would the scapegoat be picked, assuming everyone was standing on the same ground level of equality? That said, a person could be killed if he causes calamities to others. That way, he earned his well-deserved reward. Food for thought: What if, say 5 men (Mr A, B, C, D and E), of same age grade, race, financial status, practically equal in all aspects of life are aboard a boat, and midway, it seems the boat might sink if the number of passengers is not reduced by one. Now, I'm asking you, who do you think should take the fall? |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 5:34pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
@ junia : you are repeating yourself. Repetition does not make something truer anymore than it already is. All you said was thrashed by my previous post. Bring something new to the table if you have any. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:29pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
NinjaX: Wasn't it you that started with the 'logical scrutiny of Yahweh'? Why backtracking now? The laws of logic and nature are all connected to the topic. Anyway, fire on. NinjaX: How then do you account for the existence of the laws of morality? NinjaX: So you can see that the laws of morality only makes sense in the Christian worldview where God created humans in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour. NinjaX: Remember that I said 'one innocent person' is the victim here. Tell us why it would be wrong to murder him/her? NinjaX: That is why there should be an absolute, objective standard of behaviour that all people should obey, hence the need for absolute morality. If you are to leave the decision to the people on board that you mentioned that's where subjective morality would come in and you know that would not abode well with everyone. |
Re: Who Has Performed The Greatest Act Of Love? Yahweh Or Allah? by Nobody: 6:52pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: So you can see that the laws of morality only makes sense in the Christian worldview where God created humans in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour. Nope, nope , nope. I disagree. 'Christian kind of morality' solely exists in the christian world, and only makes sense there just as well. If it's mixed with the real world, it would engender disaster. Christian morality can only be used to rule and stamp judgement in the christian court of law. In reality, christian morality is preposterous. You killed a man. The court of Nigeria then asks why you killed him. Your response was God said so. And you really think they are gonna take you seriously? Sure? Lol. Remember that I said 'one innocent person' is the victim here. Tell us why it would be wrong to murder him/her? I already answered this. Nevertheless, you tell us why it would be right to murder an innocent person because the happiness of others depended on his death. That is why there should be an absolute, objective standard of behaviour that all people should obey, hence the need for absolute morality. If you are to leave the decision to the people on board that you mentioned that's where subjective morality would come in and you know that would not abode well with everyone. @highlighted: I completely agree with you on that. Wrong deduction, the rest part of your comment. If all the people on the boat pulled their heads together so that a resolution could be reached, that to me isn't subjective since all of them were actively involved. Spot the difference. |
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