fallout87:

You are a liar and a fraud.
No true Fulani man would say this crap, because the average Fulani man feels by birthright they are superior to Hausa man. The only reason they would even include "Hausa" in their title is due to political reasons.
A real Fulani man would know while the North always units itself to subdue the south, it is just as divided as the south due to the Fulani's lording over the Hausa, Gwari, Kanufi, etc. There is real tension there, but unlike the foolish Igbo and Yuroba, pride is always set aside for their domination of the center.
Only a Hausa man who is trying to add value to himself will say such nonsense or someone who knows nothing about the Fulani mind.
You are a FRAUD.

GorkoSusaay:


Too much sublimation of the Fulani in here. From reading you, one might think that the "Fulani" is an otherworldly entity.
People from the Northwest tend to identify much more as Hausa-Fulani, because although they are two distinct ethnicities, the culture has become more or less the same. The seven traditional Hausa states are located in the Northeast, which was also the cradle of the reformist movement in the 19th century.
While people from the Northeast (Adamawa, Taraba, Bauchi, Gombe...) will identify as "Fulani" because the Fulani settlements there were not in contact with historical Hausa towns. It's as simple as that. People from the Northwest are more linked culturally and genetically with the Hausas, compared to people from Bleep you foothe Northeast.Bleep you foolanis we will not forgive you for robing the Hausa governor in Gombe yet you claim we are one.... We will take back our land from these cows

Volksfuhrer:


I've been a little bewildered by your previous submissions. I just didn't get you, until now. Like the current English Royals, they are English but of Germanic descent, no?

VomeSchakleton:




So what you're saying Is you can't give me a direct answer or any substantial evidence, only theories you pulled out of God knows where. Smh

I couldnt careless about who sits on the throne of Illorin, little small fry. Traditional rulers these days are irrelevant.

lawani:


They are custodians of tradition, they act as customary Judges and draw huge salaries, have police orderlies, are made Pro Chancellors and etc. They are still relevant but not as much as in the past.

GorkoSusaay:


Too much sublimation of the Fulani in here. From reading you, one might think that the "Fulani" is an otherworldly entity.
People from the Northwest tend to identify much more as Hausa-Fulani, because although they are two distinct ethnicities, the culture has become more or less the same. The seven traditional Hausa states are located in the Northeast, which was also the cradle of the reformist movement in the 19th century.
While people from the Northeast (Adamawa, Taraba, Bauchi, Gombe...) will identify as "Fulani" because the Fulani settlements there were not in contact with historical Hausa towns. It's as simple as that. People from the Northwest are more linked culturally and genetically with the Hausas, compared to people from the Northeast.

lawani:


All European royalty are related and ultimately descended from a Swedish King. The British royalty are descended from William the conqueror who was Norman French. So someone like Queen Elizabeth learnt French at home as a first language. The Norman French were Norsemen originally who conquered France, then Britain. They were Vikings. The Vikings are Northern Europe. Sweden, Denmark, Norway but they may be said to be Germanic to an extent but they are not Germans. They are distinct even physically, from Germans.

The Celtic and Germanic genetic make up of people in Britain is 70- 30 in favour of Celtic.

fallout87:


I identify Fulani as threats to One Nigeria, not as a diety. It is THEY who see themselves as other worldy. It is the Fulani who feel Nigeria is their birthright as conquerors.

That is how I know there must not be any true Fulani men on NL (or any who have read the past pages). None of them would ever lower themselves as to be Hausa, for them Hausa, Gwari, Kurama, Kanufi, etc are all below Fulani and are servant to Fulani. It is the southerners who are so foolish they think everyone from the north is Fulani because of the similar culture and numbers and influence of the Hausa there. This isn't true. There is much conflict and division. Have you seen a Fulani declare or tweet about taking revenge on killing a Hausa or Kanufi man? Never. However, El Rufai stated specifically they will exact revenge if even the least of a Fulani is killed.

It is only slowpokes who think every aboki or Northern is Fulani.

No Fulani man will deny other Northerns their desire to relate to their tribe. Why? I know Benin men who grew up in Yoruba land and they identify themselves as Yoruba. Most like to identify with the ruler, the majority or the winner. It is no surprise.

However with that said, they can identify with them all they want; they can never be their equal. At least in the eyes of the Fulani man. As I started before, the north is divided just like the south, however unlike the south they put differences aside to rule over the foolish south. The South is too obsessed with harming each other they allow this nonsense and it has always been Nigeria's undoing.

Volksfuhrer:


You have even gone too far back in time. I'm familiar with the story of the Anglo-saxons and their eventual Norman French conquerors.

Prince Philip, Queen Elizabeth's husband, is a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. But Philip did away with this title before his marriage in 1947, perhaps to deflect off anti German sentiments immediately after World War II. In like manner, the queen herself is a member of the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but George V understandably renamed it the House of Windsor in 1917 during World War I. So both husband and wife have German ancestry.

lawani:


Everybody in Britain have German ancestry but Celtic ancestry is 70 percent of the mix. So the British are Celts speaking a Germanic language, thesame way Yorubas are Ife people speaking a Kemitic Egyptian language.

The British royals are Norman French in origin. It does not matter whether it is patrilineal or matrilineal, they are Norman French. If I were William the conqueror who was crowned English King and I had only one daughter, she would be Queen after me, will get married, may be to a Greek or Yoruba man, and when she dies, one of the children will continue the line. They will still be Norman French of Williams the conqueror.

Baaballiyo:


Pls stop saying what is not true, if there's any element of division among the North is among religious not ethnic lines, especially in the Northwest from where most prominent Nigerians of Northern extraction Hailed. What you don't Understand about the Hausa and Fulani in Northern Nigeria is that we watch the back of each other. Each of us recognises the talents of each other where one is lacking the other step up for him. The Hausas are naturally talented in Economics and commerce an area the Fulani are lacking, thats why u see most of the business class of Northern extraction are Hausas. On their part the Fulani are natural leaders and clerics that's why you see most people representing the North at both the Federal and state levels are of Fulani descent. You can't say their is division among the Northerners when every Northerner can live and earn a living anywhere in the north without any hindrance bc of his ethnicity. Though Our actions and words show that we are United that doesn't mean we don't have differences, know dat our mutual understandings by far surpass our differences, infact our differences are negligible to the extent that you can't see them, and now some of you out of jealousy are hell bent on bringing a wedge between us. We are responding to this thread because we donot want others that are not Northerners to think that what you are saying is the truth not because we are afraid your actions will cause disaffection among us.

Besides, pls help me define a true Fulani, since you say there's not one on NL.

lawani:
What year did the Fulani take Ilorin? In which battle? Who led them? When did Afonja go into alliance with any Fulani? A mere Islamic cleric cum Onion seller is what you call a power broker that a whole Aare ona Kakanfo will go into an alliance with? Alimi was serving Afonja, he was not in alliance with him. He was his servant and Alimi never was Oba or Emir in Ilorin, Afonja descendants say he died before Afonja. It was his son that led Ilorin jihadists for some years, his son Abdulsalam but he was a mere Balogun, I believe not an Oba. Read your history very well. No Fulani, Hausa or Nupe army ever occupied Ilorin at any point in the history of Ilorin. Afonja was killed by renegade Yoruba Muslims. Dont come here to be spreading false tales.

Super1Star:
Kudos to lawani, you have given a new perspective to the Ilorin issue.

I have the Ibadan warriors to blame. After routing the Fulanis or Ilorins in Osogbo/Ikirun and pursuing them down to Ilorin gate, they should have taken it a step further by conquering that city once again.

My only fear is they could have massacred the whole city for treason against Alaafin. Probably they also felt the population willingly converted to Islam, why should they liberate them.

The fact remains, no Army on.planet earth ever conquered an inch of yoruba land. Ilorin was a collaboration between foreigners and the citizens.

Unfortunately for them Ilorin is surrounded by yorubaland with Obas. To the north is Jebba, to the north west is Atakpame in Togo, to the south is Offa, to the SW is Ogbomosho, to the west is Oke-Ogun and to the East is Omu Aran, to the South East is the land of Igbominas and Ekitis and to the North East is Kaaba.

The Emirates is a mere nomenclature chosen by the people as they so wish. The day they are tired of it, they will burn down the palace and probably install an Emperor.

fallout87:


All you have done is support everything I said.

First you have pointed out that there is a clear difference between Fulani and Hausa. Thanks, I was saying the same thing.

You supported me again whenyou stated the Fulani put themselves as the rulers, the leaders and the decision makers, the "haves"... While the others are the "have not" which are ruled over by them. How very convenient.

You did lie about one thing though, because it is a lie from the pit of hell that there is no division between northern tribes. The difference is they are united against the south! They will put differences aside for the sake of retaining power. Power at all cost for the north is their aim, but in that north there is a hierarchy and the Fulani see themselves above all not side-by-side.

GorkoSusaay:


This is how the battle of Osogbo happened, according to the very Yoruba Samuel Johnson. According to this account, the Ibadan army stumbled into a victory, which might explain their reluctance to engage again Ilorin's formidable cavalry.

"When the Ibadan army arrived at the seat of war and saw the situation they had some misgivings as to the probability of success without the aid of Elepo their champion. They could not show their face in the open field for fear of the Ilorin horse, and for about 20 days after their arrival at Osogbo, they also could not fight outside the town thickets.

The Basorun himself having some doubts as to the hopes of success of his generals in the absence of Elepo was much depressed in mind on hearing the news from the seat of war, and he was minded to send Elepo to meet them ; he gave him a cow to worship his god Ori and told him to prepare to join his comrades in the field.

The Ibadan war-chiefs hearing this were fired with jealousy lest the honour of the victory might be his and hence were resolved to risk a battle at all cost. Again and again they held councils of war, and at length they fixed a day for the venture. Still they were afraid to attack the florins during the morning hours, Osogbo being practically in a plain, the Ilorin horse might have the advantage of them with disastrous results : from prudence therefore they resolved to make the attack in the afternoon, as they might be able to hold on until dusk when the florins would no longer be able to use their horses to advantage, or if defeated, the shades of night would assist them in their retreat.

About 2 p.m. the standard of the Ibadan army left the gate of Osogbo for the battlefield. Again, another council of war was held and it was finally resolved that they should not proceed until dark, as it was necessary that their movements be as private as possible. About sunset they were again on the move and the vanguards were instructed to keep a strict watch and arrest anyone suspected as a spy on their movements"

Super1Star:
Kudos to lawani, you have given a new perspective to the Ilorin issue.

I have the Ibadan warriors to blame. After routing the Fulanis or Ilorins in Osogbo/Ikirun and pursuing them down to Ilorin gate, they should have taken it a step further by conquering that city once again.

My only fear is they could have massacred the whole city for treason against Alaafin. Probably they also felt the population willingly converted to Islam, why should they liberate them.

The fact remains, no Army on.planet earth ever conquered an inch of yoruba land. Ilorin was a collaboration between foreigners and the citizens.

Unfortunately for them Ilorin is surrounded by yorubaland with Obas. To the north is Jebba, to the north west is Atakpame in Togo, to the south is Offa, to the SW is Ogbomosho, to the west is Oke-Ogun and to the East is Omu Aran, to the South East is the land of Igbominas and Ekitis and to the North East is Kaaba.

The Emirates is a mere nomenclature chosen by the people as they so wish. The day they are tired of it, they will burn down the palace and probably install an Emperor.

fallout87:
By the way, I am still waiting for one of you to provide quotes of a Fulani man stating or tweeting he will act out revenge for a Gwari, Kurama, Kanufi, Hausa or any other northern tribesman.

You will sooner find a Yoruba and Igbo man say such before you find that

Super1Star:


Complete your story by posting the routing part, which Ilorin NEVER recovered from.

lawani:


Compare Ibadan to Ilorin today and you will see they are no match. Offa was allied with Ibadan as well as Ogbomosho, Ijesa allied with Ilorin during the Kiriji war. The Ibadan did not occupy Ilorin simply because they were fighting on five fronts at thesame time, Ijesa, Ijebu and etc. The Muslims were not removed from Ilorin because the other Yoruba were not united and were fighting each other, then there were Muslims in other Yoruba cities, the Balogun of Iwo was a Muslim, his name was Ali and he was allied with Ibadan, they practiced Sharia as well. The people in Ilorin were afraid of an Ibadan massacre and would not allign with Ibadan if they could avoid such, so they allied with Ijesa who were opponents of Ibadan. The Fulani never invaded Ilorin at any time but at a point, Abdulsalam was the leader and he was Fulani, later Oba Moma who was Afonja, then Oba Sulayman Dan Aliyu who was Ajikobi, he was the one who placed Ilorin under British protection, the one whose father was executed by the Alaafin for treason. So in that wise, Ilorin was on their own as a renegade Yoruba Muslim state not a Fulani one. Iwo was a Yoruba Muslim state as well but they were not renegades as they did not conduct jihads.

Amina11:

Yoruba people here pls for conscience sake speak the truth why cant a yoruba be the emir of Ilorin ARE ILORIN PEOPLE SLAVES

errrhm! we are not cowards neither are we slaves. we are just waiting for the perfect time to alienate them.

GorkoSusaay:


I posted it two pages ago.
It was your chestbeating that made me post this excerpt.
Anyway, have a good day

Super1Star:


Iwo is my home town.

The founder of Iwo was a direct prince from Ife. There was no way they could have turned to renegades, no matter what they could have chosen to worship. Iwo remains the only town that has a quarters in Ile-Ife till today. Their tie to the Yoruba spiritual centre outweighs any religion they could have embraced.

Ilorin's story was simply of renegades like you pointed out. Their saving grace was the fact that the whole yorubaland was locked in a civil war and that was what the treacherous fulanis took advantage of. If only a unit of Oyo Army death Ilorin so much eternal blow that they could not expand their Kingdom or emirate beyond Ilorin again, imagine what a united yoruba Army would have done. Maybe they would have placed the head of Dan Fodio on a stake and blot out Sokoto from the surface of the earth.

We have had centuries of trade Relationship with the hausas and other Northern ethnicities before the arrival of the blood thirsty land grabbers from Fouta Jallon.

naijaking1:


I agree she was confused, but the bigger point is that everybody wants to be identfied with Fulani. Even 100% Hausa born and bred stocks have to at some point claim to be Fulanis in order to access jobs, positions, and even respect

Baaballiyo:


Nobody says Hausa and Fulani are the same; but they're one.

The problem with you is that you are obsessed with the fulani and their leadership qualities (because this quality of theirs is what is giving the south a hard time) that's why you do not see the talents of other Northern tribes because you believe you are superior when you are the leader. Their is no any hierarchy that give the Fulani exclusive power of leadership or Hausa exclusive right for business, each and every one of them naturally gets attracted to what he is capable of doing effectively, just because you are choosen as your class captain that does not make you superior to other members of the class or them inferior to you.

If the North only unite when trying to wrestle power from the south then why is it that we live amicably after the power tussle ?

Tell me a single crisis that happened in the North along ethnic lines between two northern tribes. Along religious lines ? yes many happened but not along tribe or ethnicity. Pls just bc someone is leading a group of ppl most of time don't call him a power monger, born to rule, he looks down on his fellow e.t.c., just asked yourself why is it so and make research.

Baaballiyo:

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As for you asking for the support of installing a Yoruba Oba in Ilorin; know that, what was taken by the sword can only be retrieve by the sword and now the time of swords is but gone, so just be happy that the British came in time to be abled to stop the capture Oyo by the Fulani, but for their timely intervention today the Alafin would have been of Fulani descent. [/s]

One major reason why I don't like you guys is the fact that you reason with your anus and not with your head.

wtf are you trying to say up here

Baaballiyo:


hahhaha You see you are in illusion, can you provide the inverse of what you asked ? Or let me put it plainly.

I am waiting for you to provide quotes of a Gwari, Karuma, Kanufi, Hausa or any northern tribesman stating or tweeting he will act out of revenge for a Fulani. You won't get bc we tend to act collectively. Not on ethnic lines.

naijaking1:


I will come in here, because your history is not accurate.
Even standard West African history textbooks-read all over the World, will detail how Alimi maneuvered himself into Afonja's court, advised him to rebel against his king in Oyo, and turned around to oust Afonja himself, when he knew the man no longer had the backing of the might Oyo empire and king.
Your account is at best a weak attempt to modify history.

lawani:


Stop deceiving yourself. An onion seller and Quranic teacher was in no position to out manouver the Aare Ona Kakanfo, he commanded no troops and Ilorin was never at any time dominated by non Yorubas. The place was dominated by Yoruba Muslims who killed Afonja. Afonja could not have surrounded himself with majority non Yorubas, since he was not a fool. The Afonja descendants say Alimi died before Afonja and that it was Abdulsalam his son that led a rebellion of Muslims against Afonja when Afonja said the position of Chief Imam is not hereditary, Afonja was killed in the rebellion by mainly Yoruba Muslims. Muslims were attacked across Yoruba land and they fled to Ilorin. Subsequently they delineated themselves under 6 Baloguns of which 4 were Yoruba and conducted jihads from Ilorin, at first led by Abdulsalam, then later by others, the last two or three Obas of Ilorin before 1897 were Yorubas but they could not allign with Ibadan and Oyo who see them as traitors who burnt down Oyo ile. So they dilly dallied, they allied with Ibadan, then with Ijesa until the Ajikobi put them under British protection in 1897. Balogun Ajikobi still have the document. If Fulani had conquered Ilorin, then they would have conquered Bariba and Jebba as well. The Hausa presence in Ilorin is stronger by far than the Fulani, their Balogun is strong while the Balogun Fulani is more or less nominal. So, what is the rationale behind spreading false tales that Ilorin was conquered by the Fulani?. Please stop the lies, let us endeavor to speak truth always. Even if Ilorin was occupied by the Fulani (such never happened). It is still a fact that Oba Sulaiman Dan Aliyu put Ilorin under Britain and he was an Ajikobi man. The document is still with the Ajikobi.