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Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by blackprowler: 9:30am On Apr 24, 2016 |
InvertedHammer: Only on social media will this happen. How old are you? I was there when naira began its fall from parity with dollar. In my childhood I spent a half KOBO. I will try to put up the picture of the 50kobo note I kept since 1991. That's what I used to spend to buy evening papers in 1989/90. I monitored the papers when dollar was 7 naira. My first salary was 178 naira a month. I lived a much better life when naira was 140 to a dollar. You must come on the internet to argue your case but also be open to learn. That's sadly what people in Nigeria NEVER DO. Everybody is an expert online, even the dullest student will chastise his teacher if they met online. Nigeria has been living an unbelievable lie. We do not deserve to have anything to live on right now. In previous times we did manufacture a huge number of our daily needs right here; our greed for so many things was much less, and we exported a good number of farm produce too. Now if we do NOTHING AT ALL and think we can continue living on the basis of currency manipulation, that's just a sick joke and the joke is on the people who say so - like you because, go to the real world and everything is transacted on the real value of dollar/pound/euro, not the one your govt officials pluck from the sky. The quality of life of a people is not about how much their currency exchanges in the international market. Do you know Ghana? Ghana changed the value of their currency to 100 times it's previous value. Have the Ghanaians become 100 times better off? This is all a joke. Get to work, Nigeria. That's the only way to a better life 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by InvertedHammer: 5:15pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
blackprowler:/ Yes. Welcome to the 21st century my friend. The only thing that is constant is change. We live in a fast paced world and most Nigerians rely on imports unlike the era you reminiscing with nostalgia. You cannot compare the world of today and the era when Post offices were the only main route of communication. It is pointless comparing analogue and digital mechanism. Nigeria must catch up with the global pace or remain a skunk forever. In the global arena, there is no space for the weakest link. Do I stand to profit if naira is devalued? Of course and very heavily because of the exchange rates. Yet I know that it is economically and morally wrong to devalue the naira when the export Nigeria has is oil which is experiencing a glut in the market place. I think your problem is that you so much dwell in the past that you fail to acknowledge the present and the future. Such mindset is retrogressive. \ |
Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by 4Play(m): 6:23pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
jollymizzle: But you are already experiencing inflation so you are trying to avoid a scenario that is already happening. What you fail to realise is that inflation and currency depreciation cannot be curbed by government diktats. I have a Samsung phone today produced by a newly industrialised country called South Korea whose currency, the South Korean Won, exchanges for around 1150 to the US dollar. If a government can simply fix exchange rates, the South Korean Won would never, nor would any currency, experience substantial currency depreciation. As for labour unions demanding and getting payrises, you fail to realise that the federal and state governments in Nigeria are struggling to pay workers at current wages and you think they can increase wages. DropShot: There are numerous examples of countries with floating exchange rate regimes which a cursory search of the internet can reveal. Countries are more likely to maintain a floating regime, intervening only if there is a temporary crisis and if there is sufficient forex reserves. Here is one example in our continent: South Africa has a floating exchange rate system. This means that the rand exchange rate is basically determined by the forces of demand and supply in the foreign exchange market. The South African Reserve Bank can, however, participate in this market by buying or selling other currencies. At present the policy is generally to stay out of the market and to allow market forces to determine the exchange rate.http://www2.resbank.co.za/internet/Glossary.nsf/0/6e77f482c063ea5742256b430031f732?OpenDocument What you need to show is one single example of a country that ran a fixed exchange regime successfully with insufficient forex reserves. I will be glad to enlightened by you on this topic. chinchum: Yes, a government that cannot successfully provided basic amenities as you admit will somehow successfully suspend the laws of demand and supply. The irony is lost on you. If you maintain a fixed exchange rate regime, the Naira will end up at N500 to the 1USD anyway. We have been fixing currency rates since the inception of the Naira and yet here we are today with the Naira at N320 to the dollar. musicwriter: I'm sorry, you are not very bright. In a floating exchange rate regime, there can be no black market. The black market exists because the government has sought to fix the price of a tradable product below its market value. What the Egyptian example shows is that a fixed regime is impractical without sufficient reserves - a lesson Nigeria fails to learn. I have heard a couple of people mention Zimbabwe as offering an example of the dangers of having a floating currency. I wonder what these people are smoking as again, Zimbabwe offered a telling lesson in the dangers of a fixed exchange regime which they eventually had to abandon after hyperfinflation ravaged the economy. See an excerpt from 2007 noting the consequences of Zimbabwe's fixed exchange rate regime - note the point in bold about the double-tripping opportunities it offered:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1562485/Zimbabwe-abandons-fixed-official-exchange-rate.html hmohammed:If something (the dollar in this case) is scarce, the best way to manage it is allowing it to become more expensive. Insisting on making it cheap is a convoluted and ineffective way of addressing scarcity. greenpasture: It's not a question of me thinking that Nigeria needs a low rate - the market is clearly signalling that the Naira needs to fall as dollar supply is insufficient to meet demand. What better way to curb demand than to allow the dollar reflect its true market value? You seem to have an inordinate faith in your government's ability to suspend the laws of demand and supply. dicefrost: You will eventually have hyperinflation as dollar inflow is insufficient to meet demand. Dollar inflow will not materialise, except where there is an oil price rally, in an environment where foreign investors know that the purchasing power of their forex does not reflect its market value due to the fixed currency rate regime. If you maintain a fixed exchange regime, dollar will become even more scarce as the CBN needs to ration it restricting the ability of importers to access forex. It is the primary reason why you have been experiencing fuel scarcity in the last few months. In other words, your worst fears about currency depreciation are already materialising. MathsChic: See my comments above. emorse: What better way to curb imports than to make them more expensive? If imports are more expensive, that creates incentives for investing in local capacity without the economic distorting effects of a fixed currency regime. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by blackprowler: 7:57pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
InvertedHammer: I can not force the recalcitrant horse to drink water o. I withdraw this indulgence 1 Like |
Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by InvertedHammer: 12:19am On Apr 25, 2016 |
blackprowler:/ Superior argument always thrives. Good luck. Expand your horizon. \ |
Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by chinchum(m): 12:47am On Apr 25, 2016 |
4Play:To what extent does suspending the laws of demand /supply determine provision of amenities? When did we start having a sharp disparity between the naira at cbn rate vs naira at parallel rate ? Throwing it open to market forces would make things worse, costlier to build infrastructures and even kill the few manufacturing industries we have locally. case study of SAP devaluation of naira didnt help the economy , it made it worse, many manufacturing companies closed down during that era, because the basics were missing. i bet you would have argued SAP devaluation of naira in the 80's would have encouraged exportation. You need to think deeply. lateral thinking at all times is dangerous. You dont ask lobi stars fc to start playing uefa champion league, it would get his ass thoroughly whooped, except you have bought standard and exposed above average players. 1 Like |
Re: Egyptian Devaluation Backfires -- Nigeria, Be Thankful!!! by 989900: 8:28pm On Apr 30, 2016 |
The part that most pro devaluation crusaders are missing is, what constitutes our Forex demands by percentage. You can't be treating symptoms in-lieu of 'causes'. |
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